Beer, Cigarettes & Marijuana -- What's the difference?

[JBeukema]

Get your facts straight and then maybe we can talk. No one died from a marijuana related incident? Really? Link please.

Ok, since you seem to know what the number is, please provide. This is where I got my info: Annual Causes of Death in the United States | Drug War Facts

i knew a dude that was stoned and fell to his death....i am sure weed is harmless....

How many people fall asleep at the wheel and die every year?

Should we ban staying up late?

 

[JBeukema]

Gee, no one died from a fire, slip and fall, bicycle, bear or any number of other things not included on your list. Wonder how many people were high when they died in the car accident, were hunting with a firearm or used another drug in conjunction with marijuana?

That's the problem with statistics. Most of the time, people who are smoking pot are also doing other drugs, including alcohol. That's why the statistics here are almost completely meaningless. Except the obvious one - no person EVER has died of an overdose of marijuana.

The fact of the matter is that marijuana is significantly less dangerous a drug than alcohol or cigarettes - and the fact that it is illegal while the others are not is due not to facts about the drug, but other political maneuvering.

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[JBeukema]

I have friends that claim they are addicted to chocolate. Is this also a perception altering substance?

phenylethylamine?

Give chocolate to someone on MAOIs...

 

[JBeukema]

Another thing to consider is that marijuana use, being illegal, isn't anything like as widespread as either alcohol and tobacco, so OF COURSE it doesn't have comparable statistics.

right....

take a look around your hometown, love

 

[JBeukema]

Then, of course--you have a link to anyone--over the decades that has ended up in one of our emergency rooms because of an overdose of marijuana--or one that has died of some kind of lung disease--over long term use of it.

*facepalm*

The connection between marijuana (smoking) and cancer is well-established

 

[JBeukema]

I like my scotch.

Vodka > Scotch

 

[JBeukema]

It's a well known fact that nicotine is the MOST addictive drug--out of any other narcotic--including heroin-crack/cocain or meth.

source?

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Why are two of the above legal but the one isn't?
- 75000 die a year from alcohol related incidents.
- 0 die a year from Marijuana related incidents.
Why the hell can you drink as much alcohol as you want in America but a person can't smoke a joint without worrying about doing jail time? Simple question, please answer to the point.

Get your facts straight and then maybe we can talk. No one died from a marijuana related incident? Really? Link please.

The LD-50 on marijuana is more than your body weight

 

[JBeukema]

Sure, no one has died due to Overdose.. But being under the effect of it? Sure

I lit myself on fire once.

And that's why you don't use a lighter than can stay lit without your thumb being on it.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

i knew a dude that was stoned and fell to his death....

Sounds like he died from falling, not from pot.

i am sure weed is harmless....i mean how could a drug harm you....and holding smoke in your lungs...perfectly normal....

Man has smoked for tens of thousands of years. Its almost as normal as fucking your wife.

 

[JBeukema]

What does it matter? Why on earth would you want any of them?

The same reason you want a cup of coffee or some peppermint tea- to enjoy the effects

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Gee, no one died from a fire, slip and fall, bicycle, bear or any number of other things not included on your list. Wonder how many people were high when they died in the car accident, were hunting with a firearm or used another drug in conjunction with marijuana?

I wonder how many people were listening to 'Freebird' when they died in a car accident ... be careful with the Skynyrd, they're dangerous!

 

[JBeukema]

Why are two of the above legal but the one isn't?
- 75000 die a year from alcohol related incidents.
- 0 die a year from Marijuana related incidents.
Why the hell can you drink as much alcohol as you want in America but a person can't smoke a joint without worrying about doing jail time? Simple question, please answer to the point.

Get your facts straight and then maybe we can talk. No one died from a marijuana related incident? Really? Link please.

The LD-50 on marijuana is more than your body weight

someone managed to establish an LD/50?

source?

 

[JBeukema]

What does it matter? Why on earth would you want any of them?

Smoke a bunch of weed and you'll see why.

Just don't drking at the same time, or you might not recall all the details

 

[SpidermanTuba]

That's the problem with statistics. Most of the time, people who are smoking pot are also doing other drugs, including alcohol. That's why the statistics here are almost completely meaningless. Except the obvious one - no person EVER has died of an overdose of marijuana.

The fact of the matter is that marijuana is significantly less dangerous a drug than alcohol or cigarettes - and the fact that it is illegal while the others are not is due not to facts about the drug, but other political maneuvering.

Agree 100%. In fact, the biggest lobbyist in Washington DC against the use of medical marijuana is in fact, the pharmacutical industry in this country--that has bought and paid for decades of propoganda against a completely organic plant.

This while they're PUSHING on us all their new drugs which is the primary reason why our medical insurance rates have gone through the roof. New drugs for restless leg syndrome, and all of the other syndromes, including erectile dysnfunction. You get a 10 second description of what this new pill is for, then a 45 second warning of the side effects, which include: death, suicidal thoughts, weight gain, musle and joint pain, etc. etc. ect. Yet--the Federal Government still does not recognize an organic plant--with no long term side effects-while we're spending billions of dollars each year to prosecute and lock up the marijuana user.

Of course, all of this paranoia over something you could grow in your backyard that could wipe out half of your medicine cabinet.

Our Federal GOVERNMENT at work!!! Did I forget to mention that I am a conservative--and active tea party member?

What the smuck does "organic" have to do with anything? Nightshade and hemlock are both "organic", but they'll still kill you.

They're organic plants with poison in them. Do you know what poison is?

 

[JBeukema]

All three are addictive

lol


science fail


THC is not physically addictive. Period. Repeated clinical studies have established that fact.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Nice qualifier. Must explain why i get falling down drunk on 2 shots, but can smoke 3 cartons and still drive half a country away.

That would be why I put the qualifier there. Of course it's not the same. I never claimed that it was. But medically, yes nicotine is a mood-altering drug.


2 shots? You're a lightweight.

Only drink at weddings & funerals. And then, only when toasting.

What do you do?

 

[SpidermanTuba]

What the smuck does "organic" have to do with anything? Nightshade and hemlock are both "organic", but they'll still kill you.

Then, of course--you have a link to anyone--over the decades that has ended up in one of our emergency rooms because of an overdose of marijuana--or one that has died of some kind of lung disease--over long term use of it.

Then maybe--you'll show some credibility.

The facts are: That our forefathers were fined if they did not grow marijuana plants--whose bi-products were used for rope and tents. George Washinton's main crop was the marijuana plant--and our declaration of independence is written on hemp paper.

Yawn.
This took all of 15 seconds. The internet is great.
Marijuana Smokers Face Rapid Lung Destruction -- As Much As 20 Years Ahead Of Tobacco Smokers

So you recommend brownies then?

 

[SpidermanTuba]

What the smuck does "organic" have to do with anything? Nightshade and hemlock are both "organic", but they'll still kill you.

Then, of course--you have a link to anyone--over the decades that has ended up in one of our emergency rooms because of an overdose of marijuana--or one that has died of some kind of lung disease--over long term use of it.

Then maybe--you'll show some credibility.

The facts are: That our forefathers were fined if they did not grow marijuana plants--whose bi-products were used for rope and tents. George Washinton's main crop was the marijuana plant--and our declaration of independence is written on hemp paper.

Yawn.
This took all of 15 seconds. The internet is great.
Marijuana Smokers Face Rapid Lung Destruction -- As Much As 20 Years Ahead Of Tobacco Smokers

That study was conducted with a sample of 10 patients. This is not a misprint.

Bullous lung disease due to marijuana

HII SW, TAM JDC, THOMPSON BR, NAUGHTON MT. Respirology 2008; 13: 122-127 Background and objective: 

In contrast to the well-described effects of tobacco smoking upon pulmonary emphysema, with ∼15% of smokers being affected at the age of 65 years, the effects of marijuana smoking are rarely reported and poorly understood. Methods: 

We report a series of 10 patients (mean age 41 ± 9 years, eight male, two female), who presented over a period of 12 months to our respiratory unit with new respiratory symptoms, and who admitted to regular chronic marijuana smoking (>1 year continuously). Symptoms on presentation were dyspnoea (n = 4), pneumothorax (n = 4) and chest infection (n = 2). Results: 

 

[Kalam]

Then, of course--you have a link to anyone--over the decades that has ended up in one of our emergency rooms because of an overdose of marijuana--or one that has died of some kind of lung disease--over long term use of it.

Then maybe--you'll show some credibility.

The facts are: That our forefathers were fined if they did not grow marijuana plants--whose bi-products were used for rope and tents. George Washinton's main crop was the marijuana plant--and our declaration of independence is written on hemp paper.

Yawn.
This took all of 15 seconds. The internet is great.
Marijuana Smokers Face Rapid Lung Destruction -- As Much As 20 Years Ahead Of Tobacco Smokers

So you recommend brownies then?

Or a vape. From the same website lol:
Marijuana Vaporizer Provides Same Level Of THC, Fewer Toxins, Study Shows