Beck & Cordoba

[cad]

That's okay. I'm used to it!
I don't totally understand the fervor about the mosque, either.
What/Where are we without our rights and freedoms?


A local bar, here, has on his marquee, "Build the mosque. We'll fly Saudi jets into it"

i don't think it's always about rights and freedoms. most aren't arguing they don't have the right to build it. just because you have the right to do something, doesn't mean you should do it.

Are you going to try to shut down the one built 4 blocks away? Are you going to try to shut down the church at GZ? What about the churches near McVeigh's act of terrorism? He was christian you know, dont you?

"Actually, the comparison is ridiculous, because, as his own network acknowledged the morning after McVeigh's execution, that the murderer was "baptized in the Catholic Church as a boy, but had stopped practicing and recently described himself as agnostic." Moreover, as the terrorist himself admitted, he bombed the Oklahoma City federal building as a "retaliatory strike; a counter attack, for the cumulative raids (and subsequent violence and damage) that federal agents had participated in over the preceding years (including, but not limited to, Waco)." McVeigh did not carry out the attack in the name of the Christian God or in the name of the Catholic Church. On the other hand, Al Qaeda issued a fatwa in 1998, which declared that killing "Americans and their allies...is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it...in accordance with the words of Almighty God.""

Read more: CNN's Velshi: Ban Catholic Churches From Oklahoma City Because of McVeigh? | NewsBusters.org

 

[DiveCon]

Are you going to try to shut down the one built 4 blocks away? Are you going to try to shut down the church at GZ? What about the churches near McVeigh's act of terrorism? He was christian you know, dont you?

wow, another lie by zona

You know what, I was wrong...he wasnt christian, he was catholic. My bad.

actually he said he didnt follow that his religion was "science"

 

[DiveCon]

Apparently, it's the anniversary of the "I have a dream speech"

It's rather funny, because the Family members of MLK I've seen speak out about it are in favor of it.

Not 'MEMBERS'...one pro life woman.

I didnt write it...

"Alveda King and Stephen Broden do a great disservice to the memory and legacy of her revered uncle, Dr. King’s great memory and legacy, by allowing themselves to be used by the (racist) demonic forces at Fox Propaganda. Dr. King would NEVER have linked arms and marched with the mad klan murderer/bomber, Bobby Cherry, right after his bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church, without Cherry’s having made a very public, serious, penitent, show of contrition. Nor would Dr. King have embraced Bull Conner right after he had ordered the dogs and beatings of peaceful Civil Rights marchers, without Conner’s having somehow conveyed his serious transformation. Beck (and his ilk) are not repentant; they hate president Obama (and minority people in general) just as much today as they did when they first embarked on their campaign of divisiveness and white power promulgation. Shame on Alveda and Stephen for selling out to Satan!"

if YOU didnt write it, where is the source link?

btw, still waiting for that link

 

[California Girl]

Are you going to try to shut down the one built 4 blocks away? Are you going to try to shut down the church at GZ? What about the churches near McVeigh's act of terrorism? He was christian you know, dont you?

wow, another lie by zona

You know what, I was wrong...he wasnt christian, he was catholic. My bad.

Your ignorance is showing... again.

 

[DiveCon]

wow, another lie by zona

You know what, I was wrong...he wasnt christian, he was catholic. My bad.

Your ignorance is showing... again.

correction, STILL

 

[Zona]

wow, another lie by zona

You know what, I was wrong...he wasnt christian, he was catholic. My bad.

Your ignorance is showing... again.

I will take that. I said Christian, turns out he was catholic. I admitted I was wrong so technically, you are correct, I did exhibit ignorance. Thank you.

 

[Zona]

liar
you have posted MUCH dumber stuff than that


hint: how many troops do we have in Vietnam right now?

YOu tell me, I asked the question.

you posed it as a question as if we still did
dumbass

well, I will pose this as a question..how many of our soldiers are on the Korean border? What about west germany?

Help me out there skippy.

 

[cad]

You know what, I was wrong...he wasnt christian, he was catholic. My bad.

Your ignorance is showing... again.

I will take that. I said Christian, turns out he was catholic. I admitted I was wrong so technically, you are correct, I did exhibit ignorance. Thank you.

catholics are christians, so you weren't wrong.

 

[AllieBaba]

You know what, I was wrong...he wasnt christian, he was catholic. My bad.

Your ignorance is showing... again.

I will take that. I said Christian, turns out he was catholic. I admitted I was wrong so technically, you are correct, I did exhibit ignorance. Thank you.

Catholics are Christian, you nutjob.

 

[DiveCon]

Your ignorance is showing... again.

I will take that. I said Christian, turns out he was catholic. I admitted I was wrong so technically, you are correct, I did exhibit ignorance. Thank you.

catholics are christians, so you weren't wrong.

he was wrong because McVeigh himself said he was agnostic and he had left the catholic church

 

[DiveCon]

YOu tell me, I asked the question.

you posed it as a question as if we still did
dumbass

well, I will pose this as a question..how many of our soldiers are on the Korean border? What about west germany?

Help me out there skippy.

you have already been answered on the Korean question, i see no need to answer that one again
as for West Germany it seems you are unaware that Germany is no longer divided

 

[Zona]

Your ignorance is showing... again.

I will take that. I said Christian, turns out he was catholic. I admitted I was wrong so technically, you are correct, I did exhibit ignorance. Thank you.

catholics are christians, so you weren't wrong.

I heard. (Not from dive con of course..but I heard.)

 

[jeffrockit]

That's okay. I'm used to it!
I don't totally understand the fervor about the mosque, either.
What/Where are we without our rights and freedoms?


A local bar, here, has on his marquee, "Build the mosque. We'll fly Saudi jets into it"

i don't think it's always about rights and freedoms. most aren't arguing they don't have the right to build it. just because you have the right to do something, doesn't mean you should do it.

Are you going to try to shut down the one built 4 blocks away? Are you going to try to shut down the church at GZ? What about the churches near McVeigh's act of terrorism? He was christian you know, dont you?

The old McVeigh analogy. It does not work for 2 reasons.
1. McVeigh was not a Christian as his actions were not following the teachings of Christ.
2. The radical Islamist were following the teachings of the Mohammad.

 

[DiveCon]

I will take that. I said Christian, turns out he was catholic. I admitted I was wrong so technically, you are correct, I did exhibit ignorance. Thank you.

catholics are christians, so you weren't wrong.

I heard. (Not from dive con of course..but I heard.)

more proof you are a fucking moron and a liar

 

[Zona]

i don't think it's always about rights and freedoms. most aren't arguing they don't have the right to build it. just because you have the right to do something, doesn't mean you should do it.

Are you going to try to shut down the one built 4 blocks away? Are you going to try to shut down the church at GZ? What about the churches near McVeigh's act of terrorism? He was christian you know, dont you?

The old McVeigh analogy. It does not work for 2 reasons.
1. McVeigh was not a Christian as his actions were not following the teachings of Christ.
2. The radical Islamist were following the teachings of the Mohammad.

Ok, how many of the 1.5 BILLION Muslims are "radical Islamist"s? Seriously...what does those nuts who flew into the towers have to do with Muslims who want build that cultural center in New York? Seriously.

Are you going to stop Jews or Catholics from building where they want? They have just as much to do with the towers as the moderate Muslim.

Agree?

Every religion have extremists. I hate Phelps, but he has the right to do what he does. If he gets his ass kicked, so be it, but he has the right to have that dumb church....you know, god hates fags nonsense.

 

[Intense]

Apparently, it's the anniversary of the "I have a dream speech"

It's rather funny, because the Family members of MLK I've seen speak out about it are in favor of it.

Yep.

Family members of MLK spoke in favor of it.......ON TV ON BECKS SHOW!!!!

Guess libs missed that one.

cuz they're a bunch of Uncle Toms.

You are insinuating that they are non programmable? I thought so.

 

[Intense]

cuz they're a bunch of Uncle Toms.

And, obviously, you're a fucking idiot.
Point?



Okay, so it's the anniversary of Dr. King's speech.
I thought he was about equal rights for ALL races, so why would it be considered 'his' day?

I'm still not getting the correlation to Cordoba, though...

You don't see a comparison to what he's doing and what the opponents of the mosque at ground zero are supposedly doing? He's telling Beck not to do something (something he has the constitutional right to do) because it would be offensive to certain groups.

no correlation?

Not really, in relation to brick and mortar. Why not go down yourself and have a look?

 

[Intense]

Are you going to try to shut down the one built 4 blocks away? Are you going to try to shut down the church at GZ? What about the churches near McVeigh's act of terrorism? He was christian you know, dont you?

The old McVeigh analogy. It does not work for 2 reasons.
1. McVeigh was not a Christian as his actions were not following the teachings of Christ.
2. The radical Islamist were following the teachings of the Mohammad.

Ok, how many of the 1.5 BILLION Muslims are "radical Islamist"s? Seriously...what does those nuts who flew into the towers have to do with Muslims who want build that cultural center in New York? Seriously.

Are you going to stop Jews or Catholics from building where they want? They have just as much to do with the towers as the moderate Muslim.

Agree?

Every religion have extremists. I hate Phelps, but he has the right to do what he does. If he gets his ass kicked, so be it, but he has the right to have that dumb church....you know, god hates fags nonsense.

Unfortunately Islam teaches hate and martyrdom at a very early age, in state funded mosques.

 

[Intense]

8-28-1963. I turned 6 years old that day.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weEb9S6YyQs&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - Martin Luther King, Jr. I Have a Dream[/ame]


I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the "unalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds."

But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so, we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.

We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of Now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.

It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. And those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. And there will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.

But there is something that I must say to my people, who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice: In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom.

We cannot walk alone.

And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead.

We cannot turn back.

There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their self-hood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating: "For Whites Only." We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until "justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream."¹

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. And some of you have come from areas where your quest -- quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive. Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed.

Let us not wallow in the valley of despair, I say to you today, my friends.

And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of "interposition" and "nullification" -- one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight; "and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together."2

This is our hope, and this is the faith that I go back to the South with.

With this faith, we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith, we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith, we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

And this will be the day -- this will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with new meaning:

My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing.

Land where my fathers died, land of the Pilgrim's pride,

From every mountainside, let freedom ring!

And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true.

And so let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire.

Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York.

Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania.

Let freedom ring from the snow-capped Rockies of Colorado.

Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California.

But not only that:

Let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia.

Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee.

Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi.

From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

And when this happens, when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual:

Free at last! Free at last!

Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!3


American Rhetoric: Martin Luther King, Jr. - I Have a Dream

 

[Avatar4321]

As i asked earlier:

No im not joking. Why on earth would MLK be upset about a rally to restore honor among Americans? Why would he be opposed to Americans focusing on character rather than race?

Somehow Zona has gotten off into some attempt to claim McVeigh was a Catholic when he claimed to be agnostic and is completely ignoring this.