Attention Atheists: How Was The Earth Created?

[eagleseven]

P.S. The Earth formed from the nebula of matter that collected around our star as it became a center of nuclear fusion and gravity.

Where did the "matter of nebula" come from and how was it formed? How did it become a "center of nuclear fusion" as you say?

At least you're trying, unlike some people in this thread.

The nebula formed from the action of gravity acting on the particles of matter, and the particles of matter are formed by the appropriate rotation of different flavors of quarks. Fusion occurrs as the rotation of the quarks induced gravity to pull the larger chunks of matter together tightly enough to induce fusion.

Quarks can be considered a "God" particle, in that they are the source of all four primary forces. In which case, "God" is a sea of quarks...and reunification with "God" involves the breakdown of the matter in our body at the most basic level.


God is, and always has been, a weak metaphor for concepts we don't understand.

 

[Mad Scientist]

scientific theory has evidence that points to its possibility, religious theory is just made up stuff.

Religious theory has evidence that points to it's possibility: The Holy Bible. Witnesses to Jesus' miracles wrote about and some even prophesied his miracles long before His appearance on earth. The Bible wasn't written all at the same time you know.

Science theory is a "best guess" based on what is already known.

Nice try but,
Fail.

Ever heard of G-R-A-V-I-T-Y?

Ever heard of E-X-P-L-A-I-N-I-N-G Y-O-U-R-S-E-L-F?
Where does gravity come from? Where does it start? How does it start?

Fail.

From Wiki:


Pre-solar nebula
The nebular hypothesis maintains that the Solar System formed from the gravitational collapse of a fragment of a giant molecular cloud...

I'm not an atheist, BTW.

Where did the "giant molecular cloud" come from and how was it formed?
I'm not an atheist either.

Fail.

The nebula formed from the action of gravity acting on the particles of matter, and the particles of matter are formed by the appropriate rotation of different flavors of quarks. Fusion occurrs as the rotation of the quarks induced gravity to pull the larger chunks of matter together tightly enough to induce fusion.
Quarks can be considered a "God" particle, in that they are the source of all four primary forces. In which case, "God" is a sea of quarks...and reunification with "God" involves the breakdown of the matter in our body at the most basic level.

Well where did the "particles of matter" come from that were acted upon by "the action of gravity"? Are there witnesses? Is there a YouTube video of the event (not a simulation, the actual event) or are you just "best guessing"? For a guy who doesn't believe in God you sure do mention Him a lot.

Fail.

God is, and always has been, a weak metaphor for concepts we don't understand.

Hey! Are you acknowledging the existence of God and that He could be the answer? Just a "weak one"? If so, then you couldn't be an atheist.

Fail for mentioning God in defense of your theories.

 

[rdean]

Science answers the how, but religion theorizes as to why.

If it's not "scientific" theory, then it's just "made up". To believe in "made up" is called "delusional".

You are so bitter, someday you will see that not all delusion is wrong.

Then you will begin the long hard journey to toward wisdom.

Refusing to believe in delusions is hardly "bitter". However, believing that delusions are "real" without a shred of evidence is called "credulous".

 

[Kalam]

Where did the "giant molecular cloud" come from and how was it formed?

I'd start here if I were you:
Timeline of the Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Take the same logic you use here and apply it to your religious beliefs...

 

[amrchaos]

Amazing that so far ONLY EARTH was hit by stars that had the ''right'' elements to get us going...also amazing that only earth, so far, has water....others may have had water, but they don't now...wonder why?

Amazing how earth was impacted by a huge mass that shifted its axis angle to the sun giving us our 24 hour days and the moderate seasons throughout the year that supports abundant life!

Amazing that we eventually acquired our moon, the right distance and the right size, whose gravitational pull keeps us in the precise position from the sun to maintain our days and nights, tides, and weather!

Science is amazing!

care

These things only seem "righ" if we discount how evolution made it possible to fit us to such a "right" situation.

There is a direct connection between the science of evolution and the specifics of our great planet Earth. A little different in aspects, and we would have been a little different in adaptation--arguing, again, how "right" everything fits together!!

A little note to keep in mind--this tend to speak against those wonderful visionaries in the Seti program, when you sit down and think about it.

 

[edthecynic]

ColoradoMountainMan, I'm already well familiar with those ideas as is most everyone else is I suppose. No need to be angry about it, just explain your theories.

Scientists always show the effects of something but never the cause.

Darwin says that we evolved (effect) but never says from what (cause).

It is widely believed that our universe was created by an ancient "Big Bang" and that parts from that explosion are spinning outward from the center.

The problem is, no one can prove what caused the explosion. There is no historical record or YouTube Video of "The Big Bang". Scientists merely put forth their own theories.

Funny, that's exactly what Religious people say about God, having never seen Him either.

A philosopher from long ago, I can't remember who, said (And i'm paraphrasing here):

"The universe is like a set of dominoes in line falling and knocking the next one down as we advance through the years. But there had to be a force that caused the first domino to fall".

He called this force "The Prime Motivator".

What is The Prime Motivator?

Energy

 

[Mr Natural]

Our whole universe was in a hot dense state,
Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait...
The Earth began to cool,
The autotrophs began to drool,
Neanderthals developed tools,
We built a wall (we built the pyramids),
Math, science, history, unraveling the mysteries,
That all started with the big bang!

- Bare Naked Ladies

 

[amrchaos]

By the way--the actual concept of believing in the flying spaghetti monster must be a popular concoction. Think about it--would you trust pasta that moves on its own violation? How about a "goblin" covered in Marinara Sauce?

Something about adding two bad concepts to gain a holy specter seems like theology, suggesting pragmatist must point out the absurdity.

 

[Diuretic]

What the hell are you on? Prove God didn't create the Universe? That assumes that God did. Talk about begging the question.

The question is simple: Prove how the Universe Started without using God or the Bible as a reference.

Simple in structure but impossible in actuality. None of us can prove it, all we can do is hypothesise.

 

[edthecynic]

Amazing that so far ONLY EARTH was hit by stars that had the ''right'' elements to get us going...also amazing that only earth, so far, has water....others may have had water, but they don't now...wonder why?

Amazing how earth was impacted by a huge mass that shifted its axis angle to the sun giving us our 24 hour days and the moderate seasons throughout the year that supports abundant life!

Amazing that we eventually acquired our moon, the right distance and the right size, whose gravitational pull keeps us in the precise position from the sun to maintain our days and nights, tides, and weather!

Science is amazing!

care

It was the Moon that impacted the Earth, and that "right distance" has been changing ever since. The Moon is drifting away from the Earth and as a result our days are getting LONGER by one thousandth of a second per day.
And our "precise position from the Sun" is also changing. We are gradually creeping closer to the Sun.
You can't trust "science" taught from the church pulpit.

 

[eagleseven]

The nebula formed from the action of gravity acting on the particles of matter, and the particles of matter are formed by the appropriate rotation of different flavors of quarks. Fusion occurrs as the rotation of the quarks induced gravity to pull the larger chunks of matter together tightly enough to induce fusion.
Quarks can be considered a "God" particle, in that they are the source of all four primary forces. In which case, "God" is a sea of quarks...and reunification with "God" involves the breakdown of the matter in our body at the most basic level.

Well where did the "particles of matter" come from that were acted upon by "the action of gravity"? Are there witnesses? Is there a YouTube video of the event (not a simulation, the actual event) or are you just "best guessing"? For a guy who doesn't believe in God you sure do mention Him a lot.

We have seen quarks many times in our particle accelerators, and they have this annoying tendency to spontaneously form matter.

There are plenty of academic videos explaining the basics, like this one:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMgi2j9Ks9k&feature=related]YouTube - Quarks: Inside the Atom[/ame]

God is, and always has been, a weak metaphor for concepts we don't understand.

Hey! Are you acknowledging the existence of God and that He could be the answer? Just a "weak one"? If so, then you couldn't be an atheist.

"God," if you would like to use that word, is genderless, has no intelligence, and no will. My use of the word is simply a metaphor, and is completely unrelated to the God of Abraham or Krishna.

Do you believe in a God that has no intelligence or will? A God that can do nothing but spontaneously and erratically form matter and energy? A God that will never hear or answer your prayers, and a God who offers no salvation or blessings?


To use one of your phrases, Fail.

 

[edthecynic]

P.S. The Earth formed from the nebula of matter that collected around our star as it became a center of nuclear fusion and gravity.

Where did the "matter of nebula" come from and how was it formed? How did it become a "center of nuclear fusion" as you say?

At least you're trying, unlike some people in this thread.

Matter IS Energy and the First Law of Thermodynamics, proven with a repeatable experiment by James Prescott Joule, says Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. So Energy didn't "come from," it IS.

The FLoT, aka the Law of Conservation on Energy, is elementary school science, I'm surprised you know nothing about it!

 

[eagleseven]

P.S. The Earth formed from the nebula of matter that collected around our star as it became a center of nuclear fusion and gravity.

Where did the "matter of nebula" come from and how was it formed? How did it become a "center of nuclear fusion" as you say?

At least you're trying, unlike some people in this thread.

Matter IS Energy and the First Law of Thermodynamics, proven with a repeatable experiment by James Prescott Joule, says Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. So Energy didn't "come from," it IS.

The FLoT, aka the Law of Conservation on Energy, is elementary school science, I surprised you know nothing about it!

MadScientist here is having a hard time accepting the eternal existence of something not in the Bible...

 

[KittenKoder]

P.S. The Earth formed from the nebula of matter that collected around our star as it became a center of nuclear fusion and gravity.

Where did the "matter of nebula" come from and how was it formed? How did it become a "center of nuclear fusion" as you say?

At least you're trying, unlike some people in this thread.

Matter IS Energy and the First Law of Thermodynamics, proven with a repeatable experiment by James Prescott Joule, says Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. So Energy didn't "come from," it IS.

The FLoT, aka the Law of Conservation on Energy, is elementary school science, I surprised you know nothing about it!

Right there ... that actually supports the idea that some god (or gods) had to have started it all, no matter how it was accomplished.

 

[amrchaos]

The nebula formed from the action of gravity acting on the particles of matter, and the particles of matter are formed by the appropriate rotation of different flavors of quarks. Fusion occurrs as the rotation of the quarks induced gravity to pull the larger chunks of matter together tightly enough to induce fusion.
Quarks can be considered a "God" particle, in that they are the source of all four primary forces. In which case, "God" is a sea of quarks...and reunification with "God" involves the breakdown of the matter in our body at the most basic level.

Well where did the "particles of matter" come from that were acted upon by "the action of gravity"? Are there witnesses? Is there a YouTube video of the event (not a simulation, the actual event) or are you just "best guessing"? For a guy who doesn't believe in God you sure do mention Him a lot.

We have seen quarks many times in our particle accelerators, and they have this annoying tendency to spontaneously form matter.

There are plenty of academic videos explaining the basics, like this one:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMgi2j9Ks9k&feature=related]YouTube - Quarks: Inside the Atom[/ame]

God is, and always has been, a weak metaphor for concepts we don't understand.

Hey! Are you acknowledging the existence of God and that He could be the answer? Just a "weak one"? If so, then you couldn't be an atheist.

"God," if you would like to use that word, is genderless, has no intelligence, and no will. My use of the word is simply a metaphor, and is completely unrelated to the God of Abraham or Krishna.

Do you believe in a God that has no intelligence or will? A God that can do nothing but spontaneously and erratically form matter and energy? A God that will never hear or answer your prayers, and a God who offers no salvation or blessings?


To use one of your phrases, Fail.

How is this failure? I found that the definition of GOD changes with each individual, making it impossible to use an all encompassing proof of or none existance there due to this inconsistancy.

If you wish to define God as unintelligent, genderless and lacking will then why not?
Can you prove that this is not the case?

How about A God that can do nothing but spontaneously and erratically form/shape matter and energy? Can you again prove that this is not the case?

How about a God that will never hear or answer your prayers. That is, a God who offers no salvation or blessings? Can you prove this is not the case?

How does it feel to be a non-believer of someone elses belief system? What contradictions do you find in the above definition's of god?

I would go so far to extrapoliate the above arguement into the following. With the appropriate definition god, you could change the number of atheists in the world. Maximum number depending on how alien, mystical and unbelievable the definition is. The minimum number occuring with a definition that is highly preceptible and measured in reality with direct, prevalent application.

 

[eagleseven]

Where did the "matter of nebula" come from and how was it formed? How did it become a "center of nuclear fusion" as you say?

At least you're trying, unlike some people in this thread.

Matter IS Energy and the First Law of Thermodynamics, proven with a repeatable experiment by James Prescott Joule, says Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. So Energy didn't "come from," it IS.

The FLoT, aka the Law of Conservation on Energy, is elementary school science, I surprised you know nothing about it!

Right there ... that actually supports the idea that some god (or gods) had to have started it all, no matter how it was accomplished.

There is no need for an intelligent god for something to eternally exist.

Why do humans have a fixation on a "God in our image?" Is it a form of narcissism? The Amazon Forest has grown for thousands of years without any intelligent Park Rangers carefully watching it. Why must the Universe have a "Park Ranger?"

 

[amrchaos]

Matter IS Energy and the First Law of Thermodynamics, proven with a repeatable experiment by James Prescott Joule, says Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. So Energy didn't "come from," it IS.

The FLoT, aka the Law of Conservation on Energy, is elementary school science, I surprised you know nothing about it!

Right there ... that actually supports the idea that some god (or gods) had to have started it all, no matter how it was accomplished.

There is no need for an intelligent god for something to eternally exist.

Why do humans have a fixation on a "God in our image?" Is it a form of narcissism? The Amazon Forest has grown for thousands of years without any intelligent Park Rangers carefully watching it. Why must the Universe have a "Park Ranger?"

A Park Ranger is nneded to keep order in the park!! No picnic sandwiches for you!!

 

[eagleseven]

Right there ... that actually supports the idea that some god (or gods) had to have started it all, no matter how it was accomplished.

There is no need for an intelligent god for something to eternally exist.

Why do humans have a fixation on a "God in our image?" Is it a form of narcissism? The Amazon Forest has grown for thousands of years without any intelligent Park Rangers carefully watching it. Why must the Universe have a "Park Ranger?"

A Park Ranger is nneded to keep order in the park!! No picnic sandwiches for you!!

 

[John Lemmon]

Religious theory has evidence that points to it's possibility: The Holy Bible.

ASSHOLE ALERT!

 

[Diuretic]

Humans understand cause and effect. We not only observe it we understand the relationship and can manipulate various causes (physical not political) to achieve various effects. So, perhaps we can't think of an effect without cause. But - and here I go with some wacky thinking - what if outside of our understanding there can be effect - in this case the existence of the universe - without cause?