Assault weapons ban

[Capnyc]

Not the cleanest of debates

 

[Snookie]

Paranoia!

paranoia is wanting to ban guns

Nah.
There's two kinds of people in this regard:
1: Those who believe that the state should have a monopoly on force and that an armed citizenry gets in the way of that
2: The useful idiots that buy into the lies from the group noted above that gun control will improve public safety.

Bullshit, world class.

 

[PaulS1950]

Snookie,
There is evidence all over the world, including in the USA that restricting the citizens and subjects of any nation to keep and bear arms only serves to escalate violent crime.
Violent crime is what we want to reduce and a part of that is crimes with guns but there is more murder without the use of guns in the USA than with the use of guns. limiting the guns that the legal population can have will do absolutely nothing to keep criminals from getting them.
Criminals do go through background checks.
Criminals do not register guns.
Criminals do not obey the laws.
Criminals will use whatever means is at their disposal to commit crimes.

We need to focus on the cause - CRIMINALS if we want to get rid of crime.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Snookie,
There is evidence all over the world, including in the USA that restricting the citizens and subjects of any nation to keep and bear arms only serves to escalate violent crime.
Violent crime is what we want to reduce and a part of that is crimes with guns but there is more murder without the use of guns in the USA than with the use of guns. limiting the guns that the legal population can have will do absolutely nothing to keep criminals from getting them.
Criminals do go through background checks.
Criminals do not register guns.
Criminals do not obey the laws.
Criminals will use whatever means is at their disposal to commit crimes.

We need to focus on the cause - CRIMINALS if we want to get rid of crime.

2: The useful idiots that buy into the lies from the group noted above that gun control will improve public safety.

 

[jtpr312]

It is not paranoia or ignorance to suggest that Americans are 20 times more likely to die of gunshot wounds that citizens of similar nations - it's a fact.

Until you guys start addressing points like this with a little honesty, you are not really going to get to the starting point of this issue.

If you compare the murder rate in the US to the rest of the world, we don't fare too bad and that's WITH over 300,000,000 firearms, so 20 times more likely to die from a gunshot wound is a meaningless statistic. According to the FBI you have better chance of dying from a hammer strike than a rifle bullet, so who's bullcrapping who?

UNODC murder rates most recent year (full table here)
Country Rate Count Region Subregion
Burundi 21.7 1,726 Africa Eastern Africa
Comoros 12.2 85 Africa Eastern Africa Djibouti 3.4 29 Africa Eastern Africa
Eritrea 17.8 879 Africa Eastern Africa
Ethiopia 22.5 20,239 Africa Eastern Africa
Kenya 20.1 7,733 Africa Eastern Africa
Madagascar 8.1 1,588 Africa Eastern Africa
Mauritius 2.5 33 Africa Eastern Africa
Mozambique 8.8 1,925 Africa Eastern Africa
Rwanda 17.1 1,708 Africa Eastern Africa
Seychelles 8.3 7 Africa Eastern Africa
Somalia 1.5 138+ Africa Eastern Africa
Tanzania 24.5 10,357 Africa Eastern Africa
Zimbabwe 14.3 1,775 Africa Eastern Africa
Angola 19.0 3,426 Africa Middle Africa
Cameroon 19.7 3,700 Africa Middle Africa
Central African Republic 29.3 1,240 Africa Middle Africa
Chad 15.8 1,686 Africa Middle Africa
Congo 30.8 1,180 Africa Middle Africa
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7 13,558 Africa Middle Africa
Equatorial Guinea 20.7 137 Africa Middle Africa
São Tomé and Príncipe 1.9 3 Africa Middle Africa
Gabon 13.8 200 Africa Middle Africa
Algeria 1.5 516 Africa Northern Africa
Egypt 1.2 992 Africa Northern Africa
Libya 2.9 176+ Africa Northern Africa
Morocco 1.4 447 Africa Northern Africa
Sudan 24.2 10,028++ Africa Northern Africa
Tunisia 1.1 117 Africa Northern Africa
Botswana 14.5 287 Africa Southern Africa
Lesotho 35.2 764 Africa Southern Africa
Namibia 17.2 352 Africa Southern Africa
South Africa 31.8 15,940 Africa Southern Africa
Swaziland 12.9 141 Africa Southern Africa
Benin 15.1 1,262 Africa Western Africa
Burkina Faso 18.0 2,876 Africa Western Africa
Cape Verde 11.6 56 Africa Western Africa
Côte d'Ivoire 56.9 10,801 Africa Western Africa
Gambia 10.8 106 Africa Western Africa
Ghana 15.7 3,646 Africa Western Africa
Guinea 22.5 2,152 Africa Western Africa
Guinea-Bissau 20.2 294 Africa Western Africa
Liberia 10.1 371 Africa Western Africa
Mali 8.0 1,157 Africa Western Africa
Mauritania 14.7 485 Africa Western Africa
Niger 3.8 552 Africa Western Africa
Nigeria 12.2 18,422 Africa Western Africa
Senegal 8.7 1,027 Africa Western Africa
Sierra Leone 14.9 837 Africa Western Africa
Togo 10.9 627 Africa Western Africa
Anguilla 6.8 1 Americas Caribbean
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8 6 Americas Caribbean
Bahamas 27.4 94 Americas Caribbean
Barbados 11.3 31 Americas Caribbean
British Virgin Islands 8.6 2 Americas Caribbean
Cayman Islands 8.4 5 Americas Caribbean
Cuba 5.0 563 Americas Caribbean
Dominica 22.1 15 Americas Caribbean
Dominican Republic 25.0 2,513 Americas Caribbean
Grenada 11.5 12 Americas Caribbean
Guadeloupe 7.0 32 Americas Caribbean
Haiti 6.9 689 Americas Caribbean
Jamaica 52.2 1,430 Americas Caribbean
Martinique 4.2 17 Americas Caribbean
Montserrat 19.7 1 Americas Caribbean
Puerto Rico 26.2 983 Americas Caribbean
Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2 20 Americas Caribbean
Saint Lucia 25.2 44 Americas Caribbean
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9 25 Americas Caribbean
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2 472 Americas Caribbean
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7 3 Americas Caribbean
U.S. Virgin Islands 39.2 43 Americas Caribbean
Belize 41.4 129 Americas Central America
Costa Rica 10.0 474 Americas Central America
El Salvador 69.2 4,308 Americas Central America
Guatemala 38.5 5,681 Americas Central America
Honduras 91.6 7,104 Americas Central America
Mexico 22.7 25,757+ Americas Northern America
Nicaragua 13.6 785 Americas Central America
Panama 21.6 759 Americas Central America
Bermuda 12.3 8 Americas Northern America Canada 1.6 554 Americas Northern America
United States 4.8 14,748 Americas Northern America
Argentina 3.4 1,360 Americas South America
Bolivia 8.9 884 Americas South America
Brazil 21.0 40,974 Americas South America
Chile 3.2 541 Americas South America
Colombia 31.0 14,670+[9] Americas South America
Ecuador 15.2 2,638 Americas South America
French Guiana 13.3 30 Americas South America
Guyana 18.6 140 Americas South America
Paraguay 11.5 741 Americas South America
Peru 10.3 2,969 Americas South America
Suriname 4.6 24 Americas South America
Uruguay 5.9 199 Americas South America
Venezuela 45.1 13,080 Americas South America
Kazakhstan 8.8 1,418 Asia Central Asia
Kyrgyzstan 20.1 1,072 Asia Central Asia
Tajikistan 2.1 143 Asia Central Asia
Turkmenistan 4.2 203 Asia Central Asia
Uzbekistan 3.1 831 Asia Central Asia
China 1.0 13,410 Asia Eastern Asia
Taiwan 3.2 743 Asia Eastern Asia
North Korea 15.2 3,658 Asia Eastern Asia
Hong Kong 0.2 17 Asia Eastern Asia
Japan 0.4 506 Asia Eastern Asia
Macau 0.7 4 Asia Eastern Asia
Mongolia 8.7 239 Asia Eastern Asia
South Korea 2.6 1,251 Asia Eastern Asia
Brunei 0.5 2 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Cambodia 3.4 448 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Indonesia 8.1 18,963 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Laos 4.6 279 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Malaysia 2.3 604 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Myanmar 10.2 4,800 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Philippines 5.4 4,947 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Singapore 0.3 16 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Thailand 4.8 3,307 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Timor-Leste 6.9 75 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Vietnam 1.6 1,346 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Afghanistan 2.4 712+ Asia Southern Asia
Bangladesh 2.7 3,988 Asia Southern Asia
Bhutan 1.0 7 Asia Southern Asia
India 3.4 40,752+ Asia Southern Asia
Iran 3.0 2,215 Asia Southern Asia
Maldives 1.6 5 Asia Southern Asia
Nepal 2.8 818 Asia Southern Asia
Pakistan 7.8 13,860+ Asia Southern Asia
Sri Lanka 3.6 745 Asia Southern Asia
Armenia 1.4 44 Asia Western Asia
Azerbaijan 2.2 206 Asia Western Asia
Bahrain 0.6 6 Asia Western Asia
Cyprus 1.7 19 Asia Western Asia
Iraq 2.0 608+ Asia Western Asia
Israel 2.1 159+ Asia Western Asia
Jordan 1.8 100 Asia Western Asia
Kuwait 2.2 59 Asia Western Asia
Lebanon 2.2 95 Asia Western Asia
Palestine 4.1 145+ Asia Western Asia
Oman 0.7 18 Asia Western Asia
Qatar 0.9 13 Asia Western Asia
Saudi Arabia 1.0 265+ Asia Western Asia
Syria 2.3 463+ Asia Western Asia
Turkey 3.3 2,320 Asia Western Asia
United Arab Emirates 0.8 39 Asia Western Asia
Yemen 4.2 990+ Asia Western Asia
Belarus 4.9 473 Europe Eastern Europe
Bulgaria 2.0 147 Europe Eastern Europe
Czech Republic 1.7 181 Europe Eastern Europe
Georgia 4.3 187 Europe Eastern Europe
Hungary 1.3 133 Europe Eastern Europe
Poland 1.1 436 Europe Eastern Europe
Moldova 7.5 267 Europe Eastern Europe
Romania 2.0 421 Europe Eastern Europe
Russia 10.2 14,574 Europe Eastern Europe
Slovakia 1.5 84 Europe Eastern Europe
Ukraine 5.2 2,356 Europe Eastern Europe
Denmark 0.9 47 Europe Northern Europe
Estonia 5.2 70 Europe Northern Europe
Finland 2.2 118 Europe Northern Europe
Greenland 19.2 11 Europe Northern Europe
Iceland 0.3 1 Europe Northern Europe
Ireland 1.2 54 Europe Northern Europe
Latvia 3.1 70 Europe Northern Europe
Lithuania 6.6 219 Europe Northern Europe
Norway 0.6 29 Europe Northern Europe
Sweden 1.0 91 Europe Northern Europe
United Kingdom 1.2 722 Europe Northern Europe
Albania 4.0 127 Europe Southern Europe
Andorra 1.3 1 Europe Southern Europe
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.5 56 Europe Southern Europe
Croatia 1.4 62 Europe Southern Europe
Greece 1.5 176 Europe Southern Europe
Italy 0.9 529 Europe Southern Europe
Malta 1.0 4 Europe Southern Europe
Montenegro 3.5 22 Europe Southern Europe
Portugal 1.2 124 Europe Southern Europe
Serbia 1.2 123 Europe Southern Europe
Slovenia 0.7 15 Europe Southern Europe
Spain 0.8 390 Europe Southern Europe
Macedonia 1.9 40 Europe Southern Europe
Austria 0.6 56 Europe Western Europe
Belgium 1.7 180 Europe Western Europe
France 1.1 682 Europe Western Europe
Germany 0.8 690 Europe Western Europe
Liechtenstein 2.8 1 Europe Western Europe
Luxembourg 2.5 12 Europe Western Europe
Monaco 0.0 0 Europe Western Europe
Netherlands 1.1 179 Europe Western Europe
Switzerland 0.7 52 Europe Western Europe
Australia 1.0 229 Oceania Australasia
New Zealand 0.9 39 Oceania Australasia
Fiji 2.8 23 Oceania Melanesia
Papua New Guinea 13.0 854 Oceania Melanesia
Solomon Islands 3.7 19 Oceania Melanesia
Vanuatu 0.9 2 Oceania Melanesia
Guam 0.6 1 Oceania Micronesia
Kiribati 7.3 7 Oceania Micronesia
Federated States of Micronesia 0.9 1 Oceania Micronesia
Nauru 9.8 1 Oceania Micronesia
Palau 0.0 0 Oceania Micronesia
French Polynesia 0.4 1 Oceania Polynesia
Samoa 1.1 2 Oceania Polynesia
Tonga 1.0 1 Oceania Polynesia



http://UNODC murder rates most recent year (full table here)

I get your point.

On the other hand it strikes me, looking at the list, that most all of those countries with higher rates than ours are 2nd and 3rd world countries....

And your point rings the truth of the matter in this nation. Our murder rate is so high because of the third world types in our nation. If you take out the murders committed by blacks and hispanics, remembering that the so called "white" murder rates include almost all the hispanics also, and our murder rates are quite low. This is the problem with a nation that allows unrestriced immigration and allows a small percentage of our population who have lengthy criminal records to walk freely among us even after 10, 15, 30 felonies on their jackets going back to their pre-teen years.

 

[beagle9]

OK, we repealed the 18th Amendment. That set a precedent, why can’t we repeal the second amendment? I can’t imagine how private gun ownership has helped ME feel free or be safe. And people with guns harm our society. Perhaps it’s time to rethink the second amendment.

Maybe it's time you get out more, and become educated more, because you are living in some sort of a bubble or something. It has molded your opinions undoubtedly in a wrong headed way, and this from the postition in which you have been subjected to in your life I'm guessing, but it in no way accounts for the opinions and positions held by the majority of this nations law abiding and gun loving citizens. This nation will not fold to such idiotic pressures being mounted by those who are or have been made dependent sheeple, and that are weak and uneducated in these sorts of things. It will not fold to those that have become a people for whom will believe anything these days except for the truth, and this instead of all the independent freedom lovers whom believe in America, it's founding and it's over all concept and the truth.

 

[beagle9]

The assault weapons ban legislation put out yesterday got me thinking about when we enacted prohibition to halt the manufacture, transportation and sale of alcohol and alcoholic beverages as we know that ended up creating a bigger problem than the act was attempting to solve. Granted we are not talking about banning all guns like they were with alcohol this ban though does seem to be more far reaching than the last one so I wonder like prohibition could this ban end up causing more problems than it solves?

It's a terrible idea that won't work. What you do is increase the taxes on the purchase and harboring of the items to make it unappealing.

So basically you price poor people out of the ability to protect themselves.

How progressive.

Exactly, as if the rich man is somehow far more credible always, in order to have anything more so than a poor man has and/or is responsible for in his life, and so the poor man is not credible ever or anymore they think ? They fall always into their own traps in which they make when they are wrong and trying to defend the indefensible, especially in such uneducated ways, and it is actually quite highly entertaining to watch and listen to when they are caught in their own traps laid.

 

[beagle9]

We could always ban guns like brazil, which has a higher homicide rate from guns then we do.

Is there not gun shipments being made all over the world, and this in order to help poor oppressive people, to then fight against their oppressors, oppressive governments, rogue leaders, bad tribes or tribal factions, extremist etc. and this as a means found in a supposed helping policy or stance we have as a U.S. government back here towards them or for them ? If guns and weapons don't make the world safer, then why is America sending arms and weapons to other countries for them to use in wars and civil wars as we do ? Why does the government of the U.S. feel that weapons only work to solve problems in other nations, but not here in America? Even when found in the hands of Americans who are law abiding and responsible citizens within their own nation, yet they still are attempting to group these law abiding citizens in with criminals or bad people, but why ? I know why, it's because the radical left wing is on a mission now (never let a crisis go to waste remember), and if you don't think this is so, then just open ones ears to it all, even if have to go back and reference many statements made in the past by these people, who are united in a cause to defeat their political and/or specific enemies/foes within, and yes they have defined their enemy in these statements made in the past, so if people don't know these things by now, then they are completly stupid.

 

[beagle9]

If you compare the murder rate in the US to the rest of the world, we don't fare too bad and that's WITH over 300,000,000 firearms, so 20 times more likely to die from a gunshot wound is a meaningless statistic. According to the FBI you have better chance of dying from a hammer strike than a rifle bullet, so who's bullcrapping who?

UNODC murder rates most recent year (full table here)
Country Rate Count Region Subregion
Burundi 21.7 1,726 Africa Eastern Africa
Comoros 12.2 85 Africa Eastern Africa Djibouti 3.4 29 Africa Eastern Africa
Eritrea 17.8 879 Africa Eastern Africa
Ethiopia 22.5 20,239 Africa Eastern Africa
Kenya 20.1 7,733 Africa Eastern Africa
Madagascar 8.1 1,588 Africa Eastern Africa
Mauritius 2.5 33 Africa Eastern Africa
Mozambique 8.8 1,925 Africa Eastern Africa
Rwanda 17.1 1,708 Africa Eastern Africa
Seychelles 8.3 7 Africa Eastern Africa
Somalia 1.5 138+ Africa Eastern Africa
Tanzania 24.5 10,357 Africa Eastern Africa
Zimbabwe 14.3 1,775 Africa Eastern Africa
Angola 19.0 3,426 Africa Middle Africa
Cameroon 19.7 3,700 Africa Middle Africa
Central African Republic 29.3 1,240 Africa Middle Africa
Chad 15.8 1,686 Africa Middle Africa
Congo 30.8 1,180 Africa Middle Africa
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7 13,558 Africa Middle Africa
Equatorial Guinea 20.7 137 Africa Middle Africa
São Tomé and Príncipe 1.9 3 Africa Middle Africa
Gabon 13.8 200 Africa Middle Africa
Algeria 1.5 516 Africa Northern Africa
Egypt 1.2 992 Africa Northern Africa
Libya 2.9 176+ Africa Northern Africa
Morocco 1.4 447 Africa Northern Africa
Sudan 24.2 10,028++ Africa Northern Africa
Tunisia 1.1 117 Africa Northern Africa
Botswana 14.5 287 Africa Southern Africa
Lesotho 35.2 764 Africa Southern Africa
Namibia 17.2 352 Africa Southern Africa
South Africa 31.8 15,940 Africa Southern Africa
Swaziland 12.9 141 Africa Southern Africa
Benin 15.1 1,262 Africa Western Africa
Burkina Faso 18.0 2,876 Africa Western Africa
Cape Verde 11.6 56 Africa Western Africa
Côte d'Ivoire 56.9 10,801 Africa Western Africa
Gambia 10.8 106 Africa Western Africa
Ghana 15.7 3,646 Africa Western Africa
Guinea 22.5 2,152 Africa Western Africa
Guinea-Bissau 20.2 294 Africa Western Africa
Liberia 10.1 371 Africa Western Africa
Mali 8.0 1,157 Africa Western Africa
Mauritania 14.7 485 Africa Western Africa
Niger 3.8 552 Africa Western Africa
Nigeria 12.2 18,422 Africa Western Africa
Senegal 8.7 1,027 Africa Western Africa
Sierra Leone 14.9 837 Africa Western Africa
Togo 10.9 627 Africa Western Africa
Anguilla 6.8 1 Americas Caribbean
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8 6 Americas Caribbean
Bahamas 27.4 94 Americas Caribbean
Barbados 11.3 31 Americas Caribbean
British Virgin Islands 8.6 2 Americas Caribbean
Cayman Islands 8.4 5 Americas Caribbean
Cuba 5.0 563 Americas Caribbean
Dominica 22.1 15 Americas Caribbean
Dominican Republic 25.0 2,513 Americas Caribbean
Grenada 11.5 12 Americas Caribbean
Guadeloupe 7.0 32 Americas Caribbean
Haiti 6.9 689 Americas Caribbean
Jamaica 52.2 1,430 Americas Caribbean
Martinique 4.2 17 Americas Caribbean
Montserrat 19.7 1 Americas Caribbean
Puerto Rico 26.2 983 Americas Caribbean
Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2 20 Americas Caribbean
Saint Lucia 25.2 44 Americas Caribbean
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9 25 Americas Caribbean
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2 472 Americas Caribbean
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7 3 Americas Caribbean
U.S. Virgin Islands 39.2 43 Americas Caribbean
Belize 41.4 129 Americas Central America
Costa Rica 10.0 474 Americas Central America
El Salvador 69.2 4,308 Americas Central America
Guatemala 38.5 5,681 Americas Central America
Honduras 91.6 7,104 Americas Central America
Mexico 22.7 25,757+ Americas Northern America
Nicaragua 13.6 785 Americas Central America
Panama 21.6 759 Americas Central America
Bermuda 12.3 8 Americas Northern America Canada 1.6 554 Americas Northern America
United States 4.8 14,748 Americas Northern America
Argentina 3.4 1,360 Americas South America
Bolivia 8.9 884 Americas South America
Brazil 21.0 40,974 Americas South America
Chile 3.2 541 Americas South America
Colombia 31.0 14,670+[9] Americas South America
Ecuador 15.2 2,638 Americas South America
French Guiana 13.3 30 Americas South America
Guyana 18.6 140 Americas South America
Paraguay 11.5 741 Americas South America
Peru 10.3 2,969 Americas South America
Suriname 4.6 24 Americas South America
Uruguay 5.9 199 Americas South America
Venezuela 45.1 13,080 Americas South America
Kazakhstan 8.8 1,418 Asia Central Asia
Kyrgyzstan 20.1 1,072 Asia Central Asia
Tajikistan 2.1 143 Asia Central Asia
Turkmenistan 4.2 203 Asia Central Asia
Uzbekistan 3.1 831 Asia Central Asia
China 1.0 13,410 Asia Eastern Asia
Taiwan 3.2 743 Asia Eastern Asia
North Korea 15.2 3,658 Asia Eastern Asia
Hong Kong 0.2 17 Asia Eastern Asia
Japan 0.4 506 Asia Eastern Asia
Macau 0.7 4 Asia Eastern Asia
Mongolia 8.7 239 Asia Eastern Asia
South Korea 2.6 1,251 Asia Eastern Asia
Brunei 0.5 2 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Cambodia 3.4 448 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Indonesia 8.1 18,963 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Laos 4.6 279 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Malaysia 2.3 604 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Myanmar 10.2 4,800 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Philippines 5.4 4,947 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Singapore 0.3 16 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Thailand 4.8 3,307 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Timor-Leste 6.9 75 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Vietnam 1.6 1,346 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Afghanistan 2.4 712+ Asia Southern Asia
Bangladesh 2.7 3,988 Asia Southern Asia
Bhutan 1.0 7 Asia Southern Asia
India 3.4 40,752+ Asia Southern Asia
Iran 3.0 2,215 Asia Southern Asia
Maldives 1.6 5 Asia Southern Asia
Nepal 2.8 818 Asia Southern Asia
Pakistan 7.8 13,860+ Asia Southern Asia
Sri Lanka 3.6 745 Asia Southern Asia
Armenia 1.4 44 Asia Western Asia
Azerbaijan 2.2 206 Asia Western Asia
Bahrain 0.6 6 Asia Western Asia
Cyprus 1.7 19 Asia Western Asia
Iraq 2.0 608+ Asia Western Asia
Israel 2.1 159+ Asia Western Asia
Jordan 1.8 100 Asia Western Asia
Kuwait 2.2 59 Asia Western Asia
Lebanon 2.2 95 Asia Western Asia
Palestine 4.1 145+ Asia Western Asia
Oman 0.7 18 Asia Western Asia
Qatar 0.9 13 Asia Western Asia
Saudi Arabia 1.0 265+ Asia Western Asia
Syria 2.3 463+ Asia Western Asia
Turkey 3.3 2,320 Asia Western Asia
United Arab Emirates 0.8 39 Asia Western Asia
Yemen 4.2 990+ Asia Western Asia
Belarus 4.9 473 Europe Eastern Europe
Bulgaria 2.0 147 Europe Eastern Europe
Czech Republic 1.7 181 Europe Eastern Europe
Georgia 4.3 187 Europe Eastern Europe
Hungary 1.3 133 Europe Eastern Europe
Poland 1.1 436 Europe Eastern Europe
Moldova 7.5 267 Europe Eastern Europe
Romania 2.0 421 Europe Eastern Europe
Russia 10.2 14,574 Europe Eastern Europe
Slovakia 1.5 84 Europe Eastern Europe
Ukraine 5.2 2,356 Europe Eastern Europe
Denmark 0.9 47 Europe Northern Europe
Estonia 5.2 70 Europe Northern Europe
Finland 2.2 118 Europe Northern Europe
Greenland 19.2 11 Europe Northern Europe
Iceland 0.3 1 Europe Northern Europe
Ireland 1.2 54 Europe Northern Europe
Latvia 3.1 70 Europe Northern Europe
Lithuania 6.6 219 Europe Northern Europe
Norway 0.6 29 Europe Northern Europe
Sweden 1.0 91 Europe Northern Europe
United Kingdom 1.2 722 Europe Northern Europe
Albania 4.0 127 Europe Southern Europe
Andorra 1.3 1 Europe Southern Europe
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.5 56 Europe Southern Europe
Croatia 1.4 62 Europe Southern Europe
Greece 1.5 176 Europe Southern Europe
Italy 0.9 529 Europe Southern Europe
Malta 1.0 4 Europe Southern Europe
Montenegro 3.5 22 Europe Southern Europe
Portugal 1.2 124 Europe Southern Europe
Serbia 1.2 123 Europe Southern Europe
Slovenia 0.7 15 Europe Southern Europe
Spain 0.8 390 Europe Southern Europe
Macedonia 1.9 40 Europe Southern Europe
Austria 0.6 56 Europe Western Europe
Belgium 1.7 180 Europe Western Europe
France 1.1 682 Europe Western Europe
Germany 0.8 690 Europe Western Europe
Liechtenstein 2.8 1 Europe Western Europe
Luxembourg 2.5 12 Europe Western Europe
Monaco 0.0 0 Europe Western Europe
Netherlands 1.1 179 Europe Western Europe
Switzerland 0.7 52 Europe Western Europe
Australia 1.0 229 Oceania Australasia
New Zealand 0.9 39 Oceania Australasia
Fiji 2.8 23 Oceania Melanesia
Papua New Guinea 13.0 854 Oceania Melanesia
Solomon Islands 3.7 19 Oceania Melanesia
Vanuatu 0.9 2 Oceania Melanesia
Guam 0.6 1 Oceania Micronesia
Kiribati 7.3 7 Oceania Micronesia
Federated States of Micronesia 0.9 1 Oceania Micronesia
Nauru 9.8 1 Oceania Micronesia
Palau 0.0 0 Oceania Micronesia
French Polynesia 0.4 1 Oceania Polynesia
Samoa 1.1 2 Oceania Polynesia
Tonga 1.0 1 Oceania Polynesia



http://UNODC murder rates most recent year (full table here)

I get your point.

On the other hand it strikes me, looking at the list, that most all of those countries with higher rates than ours are 2nd and 3rd world countries....

half the population of the US is from those countries now

And they are beginning to win the culture wars within, as the nation takes shape into something soon to no longer be recognized by Americans, and this for those whom consider themselves "Americans" in the traditional sense, and not all these hyphenated Americans who are all over the place in not knowing who they are in their lives, and/or who they really want to be or be represented by..

 

[beagle9]

I get your point.

On the other hand it strikes me, looking at the list, that most all of those countries with higher rates than ours are 2nd and 3rd world countries....

half the population of the US is from those countries now

It's not. Not even remotely close.

And while I get your point, my family was Irish. If you know your history you know people have been complaining about those coming into this country since the indians said, "WTF!" upon seeing the first sail on the horizon.

I get your point as well, but this is a new influx being talked about in which has been taking place in the recent past or for a good many years now looking back, in which has this nation in a crux right now over all that has transpired in the way that it has transpired so quickly now, and in which has upset the balance for a natural occurance of these things to transpire properly, just as they should always transpire in that way, but they have not so we get what we are getting now as a result of it all (CULTURE CLASH).

 

[beagle9]

There are over two million examples each year of people protecting themselves and others with their own firearms. If you add those people to those involved in violent crime you can get an idea of where the violent crime rate would be after disarming those legal gun owners.

If you don't like guns then don't buy one. Just because you don't like something is no reason to keep others from enjoying their legal guns. (including semi-automatic guns)

We had 5000 or more killed in the world trade towers, and Bin Laden almost suceeded in causing Americans to change their lives completely, and it did rattle us just like Conneticutt did, but we must stand fast as these things occur, because they are attacks on our freedoms as a nation and our republic, so we must not give in to these devils ever. If anything these acts should strengthen us, because we now know where the evil lives, and we see who is defending it also....

 

[beagle9]

Snookie,
There is evidence all over the world, including in the USA that restricting the citizens and subjects of any nation to keep and bear arms only serves to escalate violent crime.
Violent crime is what we want to reduce and a part of that is crimes with guns but there is more murder without the use of guns in the USA than with the use of guns. limiting the guns that the legal population can have will do absolutely nothing to keep criminals from getting them.
Criminals do go through background checks.
Criminals do not register guns.
Criminals do not obey the laws.
Criminals will use whatever means is at their disposal to commit crimes.

We need to focus on the cause - CRIMINALS if we want to get rid of crime.

Yep, like strengthening the penalties of all gun crimes or even enforcing the laws and penalties as they should be enforced now, and next get rid of these idiot activist judges who serve the interest of criminals, and not that of the good law abiding citizenry in America.

I witnessed something very scary today, and it's crazy that people don't think about these sort of things until it's to late. What I witnessed was a set up at a gas station today, that was being conducted on a poor side of town where crime has been an issue, as well as other problems in the area. At this location they (the government?) was giving free cell phones out to poor people or is going to pay for their activation afterwards, whom were standing in a long line to recieve them. Now wasn't cell phones the main activating device that was used in Iraq and Afghanistan for these emprovised explosives ?

Could cell phones in the hands of the wrong people, be even worse than Asault rifles or 30 round mag's etc? Why is the government issuing out cell phones to the people who are struggling in society the most, and for whom are borderlined susceptible to all sorts of propaghanda, hate speech, wrongful influence as directed upon them, and then turning them or directing their hatred towards the rich man or those within the government whom could become targets or targetted in an ambush where these cell phones could be used in such a way or as a cordinated attack against them?

Tell me this please anybody, why such stuff is going on in this nation as we are seeing going on in this nation now ? I mean these phones could also be used in crimes, where the criminals could cordinate their activities with the use of these phones in many ways, so why are they being given out freely by the government like this ? The tent said FREE CELL PHONES, and there was a line of people waiting to get one.... KIdding me right ?

 

[PaulS1950]

The cell phones have GPS trackers in them. They can be monitored when they are on or off.
The government can, and does, monitor all phone conversations regardless of where they originate from or the destination.

Why not give them out for free? It is as good a leash as any government needs on its subjects.

 

[blackhawk]

Here is a new concept instead of focusing so much on the gun used in crimes why not try focusing on what drives people to commit the crimes looking at the economic, social, and mental parts of the issue? It seems that would go much farther in cutting down on not just gun violence but violence as a whole than some kind of ban.

 

[PaulS1950]

Yes, but how do we go about doing it?
We have to respect the other rights while defending our right to keep and bear arms.

 

[Saigon]

If you compare the murder rate in the US to the rest of the world, we don't fare too bad and that's WITH over 300,000,000 firearms, so 20 times more likely to die from a gunshot wound is a meaningless statistic. According to the FBI you have better chance of dying from a hammer strike than a rifle bullet, so who's bullcrapping who?

It's a very sad day for America when he bast the US can hope for is to be better than Afghanistan and Zimbabwe.

Once again, the US has the worst record on homicide in the developed world. Not only is it the worse, it has a record twice as bad as any other developed country, and 10 times as bad as most developed countries.

The fact that Americans are 20 times more likely to die of gun shot wounds than people in other developed countries is damning and tragic, and something posters here defend not out of logic, but out of blind political faith.

 

[Saigon]

Here is a new concept instead of focusing so much on the gun used in crimes why not try focusing on what drives people to commit the crimes looking at the economic, social, and mental parts of the issue? It seems that would go much farther in cutting down on not just gun violence but violence as a whole than some kind of ban.

This is a very good point - all sides of this equation need to be studied. I totally agree.

 

[Politico]

Once again, the US has the worst record on homicide in the developed world.

Yeah and 65% of them involve alcohol. But it's all about hating guns so......

 

[Saigon]

Once again, the US has the worst record on homicide in the developed world.

Yeah and 65% of them involve alcohol. But it's all about hating guns so......

It certainly isn't about hating guns in my case, and I agree alcohol (and drugs) are major factors, in a lot of domestic shootings especially.

That is one factor that could be considered in future, although I'm not sure what role legislation has in that question. Alcohol is also a problem in the UK - but they have 10% of the gun homicides that the US has.

That said, in how many of the mass shootings of the past 10 years has alcohol been involved...I can't think of any myself.

 

[The Rabbi]

If you compare the murder rate in the US to the rest of the world, we don't fare too bad and that's WITH over 300,000,000 firearms, so 20 times more likely to die from a gunshot wound is a meaningless statistic. According to the FBI you have better chance of dying from a hammer strike than a rifle bullet, so who's bullcrapping who?

It's a very sad day for America when he bast the US can hope for is to be better than Afghanistan and Zimbabwe.

Once again, the US has the worst record on homicide in the developed world. Not only is it the worse, it has a record twice as bad as any other developed country, and 10 times as bad as most developed countries.

The fact that Americans are 20 times more likely to die of gun shot wounds than people in other developed countries is damning and tragic, and something posters here defend not out of logic, but out of blind political faith.

And it's not really true.
But even if it were true, what would you like to do about it?