Assault weapons ban

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    The assault weapons ban legislation put out yesterday got me thinking about when we enacted prohibition to halt the manufacture, transportation and sale of alcohol and alcoholic beverages as we know that ended up creating a bigger problem than the act was attempting to solve. Granted we are not talking about banning all guns like they were with alcohol this ban though does seem to be more far reaching than the last one so I wonder like prohibition could this ban end up causing more problems than it solves?
     
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    Okay, only certain types of guns and ammo would be banned. There are lots of other guns to choose from. It's not like having all hard alcohol and "good" beer removed and all we get is one brand of lite beer.

    If the guns are banned, you can still keep the ones you have.

    Does that mean only bad guys will get assualt rifles? Has it not occurred to anyone that if the guns are banned then gun manufacturers will stop making them? If gun purchases are limited and require a background check, won't that make it harder for criminals to get guns by the crateload? If owners are required to keep the guns in a safe, won't that make the guns harder to steal?
     
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    does it mean if abortions were banned people would stop having them and it would put the abortion clinics out of business?
    And if women were REQUIRED to have a background check before abortion that would prevent them from having one?

    get it?
     
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    define: 'assault weapon'
     
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    Almost nothing that appears on Feinstein's list...
     
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    I think Biden actually got it right on this one. It's less about the type of gun than the amount of ammo it can hold. Even then it won't stop anything, but it could make a marginal difference that might save a few lives a year.
     
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    I agree the ammo amount might make a slight difference though someone carrying three ten round clips can do as much damage as someone with one thirty round magazine in my opinion you can drop a empty clip out and put a full in real fast. Personally I don't think the mental health part of this has been addresses at all your not really solving anything till you deal with that.
     
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    I think you meant to say it's not about the type of gun or its ammo capacity; rather, it's about who has the gun.

    Assault Weapons - United States Senator Dianne Feinstein
    What about non-'military-style' 'assault weapons'? What is 'military-style'? Black? On a sling?
    ufacturing and importation of:
    So... the shape of the grip- pistol grip or not... that's what these idiots are freaking out about, because that totally effects... anything :cuckoo:

    How does a pistol grip change the operation of my shotgun?
    Because the way the round is cycled effects... nothing...

    And how do you measure the number of 'rounds' my shotgun holds? Are they going to ban mini-shells?
     
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    Unless your weapon has a disconnect it doesn't really matter how many rounds you have per magazine if you change mags. while you still have a round in the chanber. You won't run out of ammo until you run out of loaded mags. or had to fire that emergency round in the chamber
     
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    WordsFromTheFoundingFathers:

    The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
    - Samuel Adams

    The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.
    ~Thomas Jefferson

    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.
    ~Benjamin Franklin


    "I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
    George Mason
    Co-author of the Second Amendment
    during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

    "Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrence's and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
    George Washington
    First President of the United States

    "The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
    Thomas Paine

    "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
    Richard Henry Lee
    American Statesman, 1788

    "The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun."
    Patrick Henry
    American Patriot

    "Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
    Thomas Jefferson
    Third President of the United States

    "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; "
    Thomas Jefferson
    letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.

    "The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
    Alexander Hamilton
    The Federalist Papers at 184-8

    "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
    - Thomas Jefferson

    "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
    - Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)

    "Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."
    - John Adams

    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
    - Patrick Henry


    A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government. ~George Washington
     
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