basquebromance
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what May says and does no longer match!
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what May says and does no longer match!
what May says and does no longer match!
I am curious, from the Brits perspective...what kind of deal do you want and what do expect? What is the mood of the country? Are there differences among Britain, Scotland, Ireland and Wales?
If May goes what happens?
The EU empire is terrified of losing any of its territory. Its plans for a single army and greater fiscal integration are designed to make leaving ever-more difficult. This is why they have tried to bind the UK in so tight post-Brexit
The EU empire is terrified of losing any of its territory. Its plans for a single army and greater fiscal integration are designed to make leaving ever-more difficult. This is why they have tried to bind the UK in so tight post-Brexit
The EU empire is terrified of losing any of its territory. Its plans for a single army and greater fiscal integration are designed to make leaving ever-more difficult. This is why they have tried to bind the UK in so tight post-Brexit
"The EU empire"... has plans - PLANS! - for a "single army". Allegedly.
Pitiful.
Camoron, after his referendum stunt, handed over the job of managing and cleaning up the mess he created to a woman (as males usually do). Since the Brexit liars lied the electorate into voting for Brexit, any reasonable British government position was to be crushed between Remainers and hard-line Brexiteers. The EU tries to maintain trade ties between the UK and the continent for businesses to continue to function, and the UK tries to avoid a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. That, by and large, is the deal now on the table. For Remainers it's too little, for the foaming-at-the-mouth nationalists and 19th-century sovereignty screechers it's too much. It's not the EU's fault, nor May's fault, it's Camoron's fault, and the fault of a business class of mouth-breathing imperial wannabe-Napoleons fanning the flames of anti-EU sentiment, including most of the corporate tabloid press.
The best solution now would be for the people to vote on the deal. We voted on promises before and many of them were lies.I am curious, from the Brits perspective...what kind of deal do you want and what do expect? What is the mood of the country? Are there differences among Britain, Scotland, Ireland and Wales?
If May goes what happens?
Mays deal is dead. It wont get through parliament because only a few tory loyalists will vote for it.
It then gets lost in internal tory politics. Mays future or not will be the issue. The tory party is split in parliament with the mjority of them being remainers. They arent happy either but are not frothing like the brexiters. But even if she can retain her job she still doesnt have the votes to get the deal through. Neither would any of her successors.
Mays deal is dead. It wont get through parliament because only a few tory loyalists will vote for it.
It then gets lost in internal tory politics. Mays future or not will be the issue. The tory party is split in parliament with the mjority of them being remainers. They arent happy either but are not frothing like the brexiters. But even if she can retain her job she still doesnt have the votes to get the deal through. Neither would any of her successors.
What will happen to May's deal remains to be seen. Of course, you now have all sorts of grandstanding, and letters being sent in to get a vote of no confidence, but... but, once the vote approaches, the current hysteria subsides, and some more clarity sets in, it might dawn on more than just a few that, both respecting the referendum and avoiding to "crash out" with no deal, May's deal is the best that is to be had. I would expect a lot of Remainers to support the deal if only to avoid a crash. So, I wouldn't entirely dismiss the possibility she gets it through Parliament, slim though the chances might seem right now. Well, my take, and I fully count on being proven wrong, again...
Interestingly enough, that uncertainty, and the uncertainty about the political and economic fallout of whatever course is being taken, for now seems to secure May's position, right? None of her would-be successors wants anything to do with the "sausage-making" that now spills into the open.
It really is unchartered water. May has survived till now because none of them fancy it. It is very frustrating. I am a remainer but there is no leadership on that side. My suggestion would be that they all get together in a cross party movement and map out a route you will have the bulk of Labour,the Nats,Libs, a number of tories and possibly the kneecappers. It might be enough.Mays deal is dead. It wont get through parliament because only a few tory loyalists will vote for it.
It then gets lost in internal tory politics. Mays future or not will be the issue. The tory party is split in parliament with the mjority of them being remainers. They arent happy either but are not frothing like the brexiters. But even if she can retain her job she still doesnt have the votes to get the deal through. Neither would any of her successors.
What will happen to May's deal remains to be seen. Of course, you now have all sorts of grandstanding, and letters being sent in to get a vote of no confidence, but... but, once the vote approaches, the current hysteria subsides, and some more clarity sets in, it might dawn on more than just a few that, both respecting the referendum and avoiding to "crash out" with no deal, May's deal is the best that is to be had. I would expect a lot of Remainers to support the deal if only to avoid a crash. So, I wouldn't entirely dismiss the possibility she gets it through Parliament, slim though the chances might seem right now. Well, my take, and I fully count on being proven wrong, again...
Interestingly enough, that uncertainty, and the uncertainty about the political and economic fallout of whatever course is being taken, for now seems to secure May's position, right? None of her would-be successors wants anything to do with the "sausage-making" that now spills into the open.