Are Whites Ashamed...

[Wry Catcher]

Is the OP aware that it was blacks in Africa who sold them into slavery in the first place?

And your point is ...?

"Slavery in America started in 1619, when a Dutch ship brought 20 African slaves ashore in the British colony of Jamestown, Virginia.

Link: Slavery in America - Black History - HISTORY.com

 

[Asclepias]

Is the OP aware that it was blacks in Africa who sold them into slavery in the first place?

It's Time to Face the Whole Truth About the Atlantic Slave Trade

I've heard white lies used for rationalizations regarding enslaving Blacks. However it doesnt have anything to do with what I asked.

 

[Jackson]

Is the OP aware that it was blacks in Africa who sold them into slavery in the first p[lace?

Hey, they're already ashamed, and they're making sure their kids are too.

That'll teach 'em!
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So far most of the whites that have answered said they are not ashamed. Thanks for answering honestly.

Why should I be ashamed? I had nothing to do with slavery. If we were going to speak of shame at the present tense, it certainly wouldn't be using another without paying them...the utlimate shame would be tearing apart little preborn babies out of embarrassment selfish reasons.

You are so damn into yourself Asclepias that a thought for murdering a baby is nonexistent for you. And that absolutely horrible.

 

[Asclepias]

Is the OP aware that it was blacks in Africa who sold them into slavery in the first p[lace?

Hey, they're already ashamed, and they're making sure their kids are too.

That'll teach 'em!
.

So far most of the whites that have answered said they are not ashamed. Thanks for answering honestly.

Why should I be ashamed? I had nothing to do with slavery. If we were going to speak of shame at the present tense, it certainly wouldn't be using another without paying them...the utlimate shame would be tearing apart little preborn babies out of embarrassment selfish reasons.

You are so damn into yourself Asclepias that a thought for murdering a baby is nonexistent for you. And that absolutely horrible.

You still didnt answer the question but it looks like you would be a no. Thanks for your long winded and off topic answer.

 

[IM2]

For crying out loud, First Nations had slaves. First slaves in America under the Brits were white. Slavery was the norm world wide.

No, that isn't true.

 

[IM2]

Do milkweeds ever concern themselves with anything but race?

We are in the race and racism section. So that's what we will be concerned with.

 

[IM2]

No.
Are Black Americans ashamed of Black African's theft of White people's property in S. Africa and elsewhere? Same thing.
I am not responsible for anyone's actions except my own. Exactly like you.

White people have no valid property rights in S. Africa. Not even the same ball park.

Thanks for answering honestly about not being ashamed.

Study the history of South Africa before you embarrass yourself with your lies.

We have. And A is right.

 

[tinydancer]

For crying out loud, First Nations had slaves. First slaves in America under the Brits were white. Slavery was the norm world wide.

No, that isn't true.

Slavery was the norm sadly. And yes First Nations had slaves. And yes until the Atlantic slave trade kicked in, the first slaves in what would actually be the new English colonies were Brits and Irish.

 

[IM2]

Is the OP aware that it was blacks in Africa who sold them into slavery in the first p[lace?

Hey, they're already ashamed, and they're making sure their kids are too.

That'll teach 'em!
.

So far most of the whites that have answered said they are not ashamed. Thanks for answering honestly.

Why should I be ashamed? I had nothing to do with slavery. If we were going to speak of shame at the present tense, it certainly wouldn't be using another without paying them...the utlimate shame would be tearing apart little preborn babies out of embarrassment selfish reasons.

You are so damn into yourself Asclepias that a thought for murdering a baby is nonexistent for you. And that absolutely horrible.

Study the slave trade and stop repeating the stormfront tale.

 

[BrokeLoser]

that the founding fathers and subsequent leadership had to construct a system that gave them a 300 plus year head start here in the US? If you count the years of enslavement of Blacks. The laws against Blacks reading. The Vagrancy laws. The Jim Crow laws. etc etc arent you kind of pissed off that your white leadership thought so very very little of your ability to succeed on a level playing field?

Didn’t Africans get a head start / jump on everyone? How are they doing these days?

 

[Asclepias]

that the founding fathers and subsequent leadership had to construct a system that gave them a 300 plus year head start here in the US? If you count the years of enslavement of Blacks. The laws against Blacks reading. The Vagrancy laws. The Jim Crow laws. etc etc arent you kind of pissed off that your white leadership thought so very very little of your ability to succeed on a level playing field?

Didn’t Africans get a head start / jump on everyone? How are they doing these days?

Yes. Thats how they started the first civilizations invented, math, science etc. They are doing ok considering they were colonized by whites. What does that have to do with my question though?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Considering most nations had slaves, who is it you think we got a 300 year jump on?
Since I have never owned a slave the answer to your question is, "No."
It is your leadership, the Democrats, that kept voting to keep you down. Are you ashamed for supporting the Democrats? You should be.
And lastly, don't forget to thank Trump for getting blacks back to work.

You got a jump on every other race in the US.

Thanks for answering honestly.

The U.S. is / was a white nation...why shouldn’t whites “get a jump”? Didn’t blacks “get a jump” on all other races in Africa?

 

[Asclepias]

Considering most nations had slaves, who is it you think we got a 300 year jump on?
Since I have never owned a slave the answer to your question is, "No."
It is your leadership, the Democrats, that kept voting to keep you down. Are you ashamed for supporting the Democrats? You should be.
And lastly, don't forget to thank Trump for getting blacks back to work.

You got a jump on every other race in the US.

Thanks for answering honestly.

The U.S. is / was a white nation...why shouldn’t whites “get a jump”? Didn’t blacks “get a jump” on all other races in Africa?

The US has never been a white nation. Why did/do whites need a jump in your opinion?. Blacks were the only race in Africa so your question doesnt make sense. Are you going to answer my question or deflect?

 

[IM2]

For crying out loud, First Nations had slaves. First slaves in America under the Brits were white. Slavery was the norm world wide.

No, that isn't true.

Slavery was the norm sadly. And yes First Nations had slaves. And yes until the Atlantic slave trade kicked in, the first slaves in what would actually be the new English colonies were Brits and Irish.

Whites were not slaves. The Irish were never slaves.

Debunking a Myth: The Irish Were Not Slaves, Too

https://pictorial.jezebel.com/lets-squash-the-myth-that-the-irish-were-ever-american-1765491798

“The Irish slave myth is not supported by the historical evidence. Thousands of Irish were sent to colonies like Barbados against their will, never to return. Upon their arrival, however, they were socially and legally distinct from the enslaved Africans with whom they often labored. While not denying the vast hardships endured by indentured servants, it is necessary to recognize the differences between forms of labor in order to understand the depths of the inhumane system of chattel slavery that endured in the region for several centuries, as well as the legacies of race-based slavery in our own times.”

How the Myth of the "Irish slaves" Became a Favorite Meme of Racists Online

Briefly stated, what are the historical claims behind the “Irish slaves” meme?

It broadly claims that indentured servitude and penal servitude can be equated with racialized perpetual hereditary chattel slavery. It proclaims that an “Irish Slave Trade” was initiated in 1612 and not abolished until 1839, and that this concurrent transatlantic slave trade of “white slaves” has been covered up by “liberal," “cultural Marxist” or “politically correct” historians.

The various memes make many claims including (but not limited to) the following; that “Irish slaves” were treated far worse than black slaves; that there were more “Irish slaves” than black slaves; that “Irish slaves” were worth less than black slaves, that enslaved Irish women were forced to breed with enslaved African men, and that the Irish were slaves for much longer than black slaves.

This is then invariably followed up by overtly racist statements, e.g. “yet, when is the last time you heard an Irishman bitching and moaning about how the world owes them a living?” The “Irish slaves” meme is a subset of the “white slavery” contemporary discourse which emphasizes class over race and is fueled by a potent cocktail of bad history, false equivalence, conspiracy theories, and reductionist fallacies.

No, the Irish Were Not Slaves Too

Call it "fake history." Whenever people on social media start talking slavery, reparations, and race, some Internet troll will jump up and demand, "What about the Irish?" Over the past few years, the myth of Irish slavery has found fertile ground in Internet memes as a way to derail any conversation about historical complicity for white folks in the slave trade or the need for affirmative action today. If the Irish escaped from slavery to general inclusion and prosperity, the false and racist argument goes, then African Americans can do likewise. Fortunately, whenever this claim starts to get traction, a librarian from Limerick steps forward to debunk it.

What you say did not happen.

 

[IM2]

that the founding fathers and subsequent leadership had to construct a system that gave them a 300 plus year head start here in the US? If you count the years of enslavement of Blacks. The laws against Blacks reading. The Vagrancy laws. The Jim Crow laws. etc etc arent you kind of pissed off that your white leadership thought so very very little of your ability to succeed on a level playing field?

Didn’t Africans get a head start / jump on everyone? How are they doing these days?

Another dumb white ignorant of history.

 

[Asclepias]

For crying out loud, First Nations had slaves. First slaves in America under the Brits were white. Slavery was the norm world wide.

No, that isn't true.

Slavery was the norm sadly. And yes First Nations had slaves. And yes until the Atlantic slave trade kicked in, the first slaves in what would actually be the new English colonies were Brits and Irish.

Whites were not slaves. The Irish were never slaves.

Debunking a Myth: The Irish Were Not Slaves, Too

https://pictorial.jezebel.com/lets-squash-the-myth-that-the-irish-were-ever-american-1765491798

“The Irish slave myth is not supported by the historical evidence. Thousands of Irish were sent to colonies like Barbados against their will, never to return. Upon their arrival, however, they were socially and legally distinct from the enslaved Africans with whom they often labored. While not denying the vast hardships endured by indentured servants, it is necessary to recognize the differences between forms of labor in order to understand the depths of the inhumane system of chattel slavery that endured in the region for several centuries, as well as the legacies of race-based slavery in our own times.”

How the Myth of the "Irish slaves" Became a Favorite Meme of Racists Online

Briefly stated, what are the historical claims behind the “Irish slaves” meme?

It broadly claims that indentured servitude and penal servitude can be equated with racialized perpetual hereditary chattel slavery. It proclaims that an “Irish Slave Trade” was initiated in 1612 and not abolished until 1839, and that this concurrent transatlantic slave trade of “white slaves” has been covered up by “liberal," “cultural Marxist” or “politically correct” historians.

The various memes make many claims including (but not limited to) the following; that “Irish slaves” were treated far worse than black slaves; that there were more “Irish slaves” than black slaves; that “Irish slaves” were worth less than black slaves, that enslaved Irish women were forced to breed with enslaved African men, and that the Irish were slaves for much longer than black slaves.

This is then invariably followed up by overtly racist statements, e.g. “yet, when is the last time you heard an Irishman bitching and moaning about how the world owes them a living?” The “Irish slaves” meme is a subset of the “white slavery” contemporary discourse which emphasizes class over race and is fueled by a potent cocktail of bad history, false equivalence, conspiracy theories, and reductionist fallacies.

No, the Irish Were Not Slaves Too

Call it "fake history." Whenever people on social media start talking slavery, reparations, and race, some Internet troll will jump up and demand, "What about the Irish?" Over the past few years, the myth of Irish slavery has found fertile ground in Internet memes as a way to derail any conversation about historical complicity for white folks in the slave trade or the need for affirmative action today. If the Irish escaped from slavery to general inclusion and prosperity, the false and racist argument goes, then African Americans can do likewise. Fortunately, whenever this claim starts to get traction, a librarian from Limerick steps forward to debunk it.

What you say did not happen.

#WhitePeopleLie

 

[tinydancer]

For crying out loud, First Nations had slaves. First slaves in America under the Brits were white. Slavery was the norm world wide.

No, that isn't true.

Slavery was the norm sadly. And yes First Nations had slaves. And yes until the Atlantic slave trade kicked in, the first slaves in what would actually be the new English colonies were Brits and Irish.

Whites were not slaves. The Irish were never slaves.

Debunking a Myth: The Irish Were Not Slaves, Too

https://pictorial.jezebel.com/lets-squash-the-myth-that-the-irish-were-ever-american-1765491798

“The Irish slave myth is not supported by the historical evidence. Thousands of Irish were sent to colonies like Barbados against their will, never to return. Upon their arrival, however, they were socially and legally distinct from the enslaved Africans with whom they often labored. While not denying the vast hardships endured by indentured servants, it is necessary to recognize the differences between forms of labor in order to understand the depths of the inhumane system of chattel slavery that endured in the region for several centuries, as well as the legacies of race-based slavery in our own times.”

How the Myth of the "Irish slaves" Became a Favorite Meme of Racists Online

Briefly stated, what are the historical claims behind the “Irish slaves” meme?

It broadly claims that indentured servitude and penal servitude can be equated with racialized perpetual hereditary chattel slavery. It proclaims that an “Irish Slave Trade” was initiated in 1612 and not abolished until 1839, and that this concurrent transatlantic slave trade of “white slaves” has been covered up by “liberal," “cultural Marxist” or “politically correct” historians.

The various memes make many claims including (but not limited to) the following; that “Irish slaves” were treated far worse than black slaves; that there were more “Irish slaves” than black slaves; that “Irish slaves” were worth less than black slaves, that enslaved Irish women were forced to breed with enslaved African men, and that the Irish were slaves for much longer than black slaves.

This is then invariably followed up by overtly racist statements, e.g. “yet, when is the last time you heard an Irishman bitching and moaning about how the world owes them a living?” The “Irish slaves” meme is a subset of the “white slavery” contemporary discourse which emphasizes class over race and is fueled by a potent cocktail of bad history, false equivalence, conspiracy theories, and reductionist fallacies.

No, the Irish Were Not Slaves Too

Call it "fake history." Whenever people on social media start talking slavery, reparations, and race, some Internet troll will jump up and demand, "What about the Irish?" Over the past few years, the myth of Irish slavery has found fertile ground in Internet memes as a way to derail any conversation about historical complicity for white folks in the slave trade or the need for affirmative action today. If the Irish escaped from slavery to general inclusion and prosperity, the false and racist argument goes, then African Americans can do likewise. Fortunately, whenever this claim starts to get traction, a librarian from Limerick steps forward to debunk it.

What you say did not happen.

Article is total bullshit. Most Irish were sent to the West Indies but also to North America's colonies.

I don't give a flying rats ass at the number of articles out there who try to claim this is a myth. It's part of history and it's ugly. Cromwell was a monster. So was King James I.

For the life of me I don't understand anyone trying to justify anyone being sold as a slave. Skin color shouldn't matter.

 

[Wry Catcher]

For crying out loud, First Nations had slaves. First slaves in America under the Brits were white. Slavery was the norm world wide.

No, that isn't true.

Slavery was the norm sadly. And yes First Nations had slaves. And yes until the Atlantic slave trade kicked in, the first slaves in what would actually be the new English colonies were Brits and Irish.

Are you referencing Indentured slavery? That is a far cry from slavery.

 

[tinydancer]

For crying out loud, First Nations had slaves. First slaves in America under the Brits were white. Slavery was the norm world wide.

No, that isn't true.

Slavery was the norm sadly. And yes First Nations had slaves. And yes until the Atlantic slave trade kicked in, the first slaves in what would actually be the new English colonies were Brits and Irish.

Are you referencing Indentured slavery? That is a far cry from slavery.

These were slaves. Granted they were freed when Britain abolished slavery but the Irish in particular were targeted by Cromwell for "bondage" mainly in the West Indies, but also in the other colonies.

There were of course indentured servants. No dispute on that.

From a most interesting article published in 1893. This dispatch is quoted in many articles, but this Popular Science piece is fascinating because of the time period.

In a dispatch from Cromwell to the "Hon. William Lenthall, Esq., Speaker of the Parliament of England," dated September 17, 1649, and describing the storming of Drogheda, we find with reference to those men who, contrary to the custom of war, had continued their resistance after the place had been carried and quarter given:

"When they submitted, these officers were knocked on the head, and every tenth man of the soldiers killed; and the rest shipped for the Barbadoes."

Popular Science Monthly/Volume 42/March 1893/White Slaves and Bond Servants in the Plantations - Wikisource, the free online library

 

[9thIDdoc]

Considering most nations had slaves, who is it you think we got a 300 year jump on?
Since I have never owned a slave the answer to your question is, "No."
It is your leadership, the Democrats, that kept voting to keep you down. Are you ashamed for supporting the Democrats? You should be.
And lastly, don't forget to thank Trump for getting blacks back to work.

You got a jump on every other race in the US.

Thanks for answering honestly.

The U.S. is / was a white nation...why shouldn’t whites “get a jump”? Didn’t blacks “get a jump” on all other races in Africa?

The US has never been a white nation. Why did/do whites need a jump in your opinion?. Blacks were the only race in Africa so your question doesnt make sense. Are you going to answer my question or deflect?

Not true.