Are progressives actually open-minded?

[NYcarbineer]

Progressives claim to be "open-minded" but over the past decade or so, all evidence to the contrary. That is, until I came across this article from a homosexual muslim immigrant named Riaz Patel. He illustrated a true open-mind. I wonder how many progressives on USMB would even be willing to read what he has to say with an open-mind, much less do what he actually did. What about it sealybobo, candycorn, Slade3200, and jillian? Can you click the link below and read the entire (short) article from a fellow Hillary-supporting progressive with an open-mind?

• There exists a HUGE population in America who are desperately struggling to feed their families.

• They feel their needs are not authentically represented within this huge government.

• They feel their concerns are not being voiced by any major news outlet.

• They are tired of being called “dumb,” “bigoted” and “racist.”

• On my flight back, I realized that for many of us supporting Hillary, this election was about incredibly important social issues. It was a moral election for us. To most of the people I met on my trip, it was about survival. Literally.

• So when I read Facebook/Twitter posts this morning vilifying 50% of the country for being dumb or racist, I remember Nicole, Jim & Paula and I know that’s not true.

What a gay muslim Pakistani-american immigrant learned traveling to Alaska

Uh, where on the Right is the enthusiasm for welcoming a gay Muslim immigrant to this country,

or for that matter, even being amenable to the idea of having gay Muslims already here?

I bet you in exchange for you paying for your own school and hospital bills they'll let the occasional gay Muslim slide. Because that person will also be paying his own way.

This is the way our society is going. Maybe it's a good thing? We are overpopulated and need to shrink the population.

Back when we invented public schools we wanted to encourage births. Perhaps we don't want to continue that?

We encourage breeding in more ways than giving money to the poor for each dependent. We give money, LOTS of it, to many not poor families for each dependent,

and, do the math, you're not going to legislate that away.

 

[P@triot]

Walmart takes food stamps. Hospitals take Medicaid and Medicare patients.

A civilized country should provide at a minimum food, shelter, healthcare, and basic education to all regardless of their ability to pay.

So the question becomes...why aren't you providing those things?

And who are you to decide for me what I should and should not provide? That's what liberty is all about - making one's own decisions and not having some little dictator-wannabe deciding for everyone else.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Uh, where on the Right is the enthusiasm for welcoming a gay Muslim immigrant to this country, or for that matter, even being amenable to the idea of having gay Muslims already here?

I'm not arrogant enough to speak for "the right". I can only speak for myself. And I can tell you that I have nothing but contempt and disgust for muslims in general. Yes, there are always exceptions (and this author clearly seems to be one).

But...any religion that teaches "jihad" is unacceptable. Any culture that teaches that women are lower than animals - that they should walk 5 steps behind a man, that they should be rapped, that there should be "honor killings" deserves zero "enthusiasm for welcoming" in my mind.

And yet you lumped 'progressives' together.

Our country was founded by way of a non-religious jihad.

 

[koshergrl]

Er..what money do you give to not poor families for their dependents?

Cite that code please.

 

[koshergrl]

Uh, where on the Right is the enthusiasm for welcoming a gay Muslim immigrant to this country, or for that matter, even being amenable to the idea of having gay Muslims already here?

I'm not arrogant enough to speak for "the right". I can only speak for myself. And I can tell you that I have nothing but contempt and disgust for muslims in general. Yes, there are always exceptions (and this author clearly seems to be one).

But...any religion that teaches "jihad" is unacceptable. Any culture that teaches that women are lower than animals - that they should walk 5 steps behind a man, that they should be rapped, that there should be "honor killings" deserves zero "enthusiasm for welcoming" in my mind.

And yet you lumped 'progressives' together.

Our country was founded by way of a non-religious jihad.

Er..no, it wasn't. How ridiculous you are.

 

[koshergrl]

NYC is just full o'lies today.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Walmart takes food stamps. Hospitals take Medicaid and Medicare patients.

A civilized country should provide at a minimum food, shelter, healthcare, and basic education to all regardless of their ability to pay.

So the question becomes...why aren't you providing those things?

And who are you to decide for me what I should and should not provide? That's what liberty is all about - making one's own decisions and not having some little dictator-wannabe deciding for everyone else.

I can't believe you have no representatives in government.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Uh, where on the Right is the enthusiasm for welcoming a gay Muslim immigrant to this country, or for that matter, even being amenable to the idea of having gay Muslims already here?

I'm not arrogant enough to speak for "the right". I can only speak for myself. And I can tell you that I have nothing but contempt and disgust for muslims in general. Yes, there are always exceptions (and this author clearly seems to be one).

But...any religion that teaches "jihad" is unacceptable. Any culture that teaches that women are lower than animals - that they should walk 5 steps behind a man, that they should be rapped, that there should be "honor killings" deserves zero "enthusiasm for welcoming" in my mind.

And yet you lumped 'progressives' together.

Our country was founded by way of a non-religious jihad.

Er..no, it wasn't. How ridiculous you are.

A jihad is a war against unbelievers

population laramie wy - Google Search

Our country was founded by way of a war against 'non-believers'.

 

[P@triot]

Our society is becoming more selfish and stupid. That's why cons won.

I rest my case. This liberal wrote an article about how his side calls anyone who doesn't vote for their candidates "racist" and "stupid". Sealy's first post says she is "open-minded". Her second posts says "society is stupid" for not voting for Hillary.

Folks...you can't make this stuff up. I'm 100% convinced now that Sealy needs meds. There is a serious mental health issue there. Anyone who can contradict themselves that quick is not sane.

Keep in mind that boob is on my ignore list because he used to follow me around attaching tags to my posts telling people to rape me, and posting his desire for me and my kids to die in various and assorted ways.

Are you serious?!?

 

[P@triot]

Walmart takes food stamps. Hospitals take Medicaid and Medicare patients.

A civilized country should provide at a minimum food, shelter, healthcare, and basic education to all regardless of their ability to pay.

So the question becomes...why aren't you providing those things?

And who are you to decide for me what I should and should not provide? That's what liberty is all about - making one's own decisions and not having some little dictator-wannabe deciding for everyone else.

I can't believe you have no representatives in government.

Ok...? Now that we got that bizarre, nonsensical rant out of the way, would you like to answer the questions or are you incapable?

 

[koshergrl]

Our society is becoming more selfish and stupid. That's why cons won.

I rest my case. This liberal wrote an article about how his side calls anyone who doesn't vote for their candidates "racist" and "stupid". Sealy's first post says she is "open-minded". Her second posts says "society is stupid" for not voting for Hillary.

Folks...you can't make this stuff up. I'm 100% convinced now that Sealy needs meds. There is a serious mental health issue there. Anyone who can contradict themselves that quick is not sane.

Keep in mind that boob is on my ignore list because he used to follow me around attaching tags to my posts telling people to rape me, and posting his desire for me and my kids to die in various and assorted ways.

Are you serious?!?

Yup.

 

[koshergrl]

Uh, where on the Right is the enthusiasm for welcoming a gay Muslim immigrant to this country, or for that matter, even being amenable to the idea of having gay Muslims already here?

I'm not arrogant enough to speak for "the right". I can only speak for myself. And I can tell you that I have nothing but contempt and disgust for muslims in general. Yes, there are always exceptions (and this author clearly seems to be one).

But...any religion that teaches "jihad" is unacceptable. Any culture that teaches that women are lower than animals - that they should walk 5 steps behind a man, that they should be rapped, that there should be "honor killings" deserves zero "enthusiasm for welcoming" in my mind.

And yet you lumped 'progressives' together.

Our country was founded by way of a non-religious jihad.

Er..no, it wasn't. How ridiculous you are.

A jihad is a war against unbelievers

population laramie wy - Google Search

Our country was founded by way of a war against 'non-believers'.

No, it wasn't.

Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

Please state when any of the founding fathers stated their intent to go to war against unbelievers. I'll wait.

 

[peach174]

Affordable Healthcare should be a right.

Rights cannot be something that costs money you nitwit.

Whatever. Im keeping an open mind. That doesn't mean I'm going to agree with your theories. I'll have to see the results they produce.

Did you keep an open mind in 2009? No. None of you did.

I have no choice. You get to implement your ideas. Will you admit when if they don't work? Based on 2007 you won't. And if you produce those same results you'll be voted out.

The main people hurting in America are blue collar and the unemployed. The poor basically. Or lower middle class. Let's see you help them.

My guess is once you are in charge the only thing you will offer them is advice. Watch

Welfare programs is what caused them to be suffering.President Johnsons war on poverty has always been a failure
Taking blue collars dollars to help the poor harms both.
We need programs that work to get the poor out of poverty, not the poor living paycheck to paycheck each month from the collections of the blue collar workers.

We are going to try it your way. If you are right my life will get better. I don't think you are right but there is nothing stopping you guys from trying.

God I hope I'm wrong. And us successful liberals don't 100% disagree. Think about this. If you are right and the GOP are doing good by us then they should have no problem picking up even more seats in 2018 and even more riding trumps coat tails in 2020.

And Isis, crime, poverty, unemployment, wages, healthcare will all be lower or better.

If they dont you will see both parties gone and 2 new independant parties take there place.

 

[koshergrl]

BTW, you can't have a "non-religious jihad" you imbecile.

Though to give you credit, you then changed and said it was "jihad against non believers"....which of course makes it religious.

If it had actually happened anywhere except in your disturbed and inaccurate imagination.

 

[koshergrl]

Lefties are losing it. Now they're straight up just gibbering.

 

[koshergrl]

 

[NightFox]

I disagree. Remember those pharma companies who overcharged?

Ummm..no, because there is no such thing as "overcharged"; if the ask is too high then you don't have to pay the ask, it's called voluntary exchange and it works just fine as long as you keep third parties (government) out of it. Companies can't charge more than their customers are willing to pay for their products and/or services, otherwise companies don't stay in business and more efficient producers take their place. The only time that equation becomes short-circuited is when you get politicians and bureaucrats involved, then it becomes involuntary exchange and the price mechanism gets distorted to the point where it no longer reflects true supply/demand and cost of production.

Then I would also guess you're OK with denying people who have pre existing conditions?

For insurance? You bet I am OK with it, you can't insure against risk that has already occurred, but we don't have health insurance anymore, what we have is a bastardized health care market and "health care cost shifting" policies, which is why health care is so fucking expensive.

And I bet you also think public schools should be ended and only people who want to and can afford an education should get one. Is that right? An education isn't a right either?

No, education isn't a right unless you can provide it for yourself, it's another "goods and services", I don't understand why this concept is so hard for you to grasp, it's very simple, YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S LABOR.

Hey, I don't have kids and my nephews go to the most expensive private school in Michigan. Mitt Romney went to that school. Remember it came out he was a bully back in school? It was at this school. My brother pays $40k a year for private school. He didn't mind paying for public schools but if poor people who depend on public schools didn't show up to vote or voted GOP???

I am all for Defunding public schools. Same with welfare. If you can't afford to educate and feed your child don't have one. We are already overpopulated.

That's nice, however none of what you posted has anything to do with the concept of RIGHTS.

It's immoral for me to put a gun to your head and force you to pay for something that I want or need, it's no less immoral for government (or the majority) to do the same thing, both scenarios are violations of your rights as a human being, it's essentially turning you into a slave for whatever period of time was required for you to earn the money that is being taken from you by force.

The reason people advocate using government force to make people pay for XYZ (or do XYZ) is because their arguments aren't sound enough or persuasive enough to get people to do it voluntarily, which explains why generally speaking when the government issues "mandates" along with "promised benefits" you can always count on the getting exactly the opposite of the "promised benefits"; if the benefits are so good and the costs are justified why the hell do you have to use FORCE to get people to go along with it?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Yeah!
Look at how many times conservatives and moderates here would make comments about President Obama representing only Liberal policies but was always falsely accused being racist or worse being called names and or bullied.
Ya know if Obama had moved more toward the center after the 2010 elections when Dems started losing their seats continually for the next six years they would have seen the dominos falling.
No it had to be about his policies and not what was good for the country.

Your opinion dismisses the fact that his policies were principled, something unheard of by the Party of McConnell, a party which put party first, well before We the People, and once advertised before its mendacity was exposed by Republian Governers and the Tea Party, as Country First.

 

[P@triot]

A corporation doesn't give a fuck if " their customers" can afford. If they charged $100 they would make $3 million and everyone could afford it. But they figured out they can make more charging $500 even though they'll lose 1/3 of their customers.

And if it's a life saving product they can gouge the other 2/3rds of their customers and nothing anyone could do about it.

The 1/3 die?

Another progressive false narrative.

You know what happens when a corporation leaves 1/3 of America out in the cold? And entrepreneur sees an opportunity to make a LOT of money from a massive amount of people and they fill that void.

 

[P@triot]

And us successful liberals don't 100% disagree. Think about this. If you are right and the GOP are doing good by us then they should have no problem picking up even more seats in 2018 and even more riding trumps coat tails in 2020.

That should be true...but it's not. Because progressives places ideology over reality. They place ideology over God and country.

And Isis, crime, poverty, unemployment, wages, healthcare will all be lower or better.

They will be. But it won't matter though for the reasons I just stated.