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I think you know exactly what this thread is about. Warrantless stereotypes of southerners by those on the left. Things like "they cling to their guns and religion" sort of stuff, "Redneck Racists", "Christian Taliban" to name a few more. Try not to feign ignorance. I live in North Georgia, thus I know quite a few people from that area. Hopefully you genuinely disagree with those stereotypes.
[MENTION=43268]TemplarKormac[/MENTION]
Why do you have to be a dick?
Why do you care? You'd much rather just jump on the bandwagon and stereotype all of us, wouldn't you?
[MENTION=43268]TemplarKormac[/MENTION]
Why do you have to be a dick?
Why do you care? You'd much rather just jump on the bandwagon and stereotype all of us, wouldn't you?
I defended Appalachia in my post. I think it's a great culture. Screw you!
Ever heard of a Dulcimer? Have you ever gone looking for snipes in the woods?
Get off your fucking high horse TK. You're as BLATANTLY partisan as anyone I've ever met; right and wrong be damned. You saw my post and decided to be a dick. Right?
From Rep. Ryan's "War on Poverty", 2014
ARC has established four priority goals for the region: 1) increase job opportunities and per
capita income; 2) strengthen the capacity of the people to compete in the global environment;
3) develop and improve infrastructure; and 4) build the Appalachian Development Highway
System to reduce isolation.629 In order to achieve these goals, the commission seeks to
coordinate all available federal funding to provide leverage for local government and private
investment. Grants are awarded for priority regional activities such as reforestation, green
energy, food-system development, and community-based philanthropy.
[MENTION=43268]TemplarKormac[/MENTION]
Why do you have to be a dick?
Why do you care? You'd much rather just jump on the bandwagon and stereotype all of us, wouldn't you?
I defended Appalachia in my post. I think it's a great culture. Screw you!
Ever heard of a Dulcimer?yes, limited at playing one but yes a bit
Have you ever gone looking for snipes in the woods? no, i am not stupid
Get off your fucking high horse TK. You're as BLATANTLY partisan as anyone I've ever met; right and wrong be damned. You saw my post and decided to be a dick. Right?
lack of...where does one begin...here the roads are an issue....we still have roads that 18 wheelers cannot navigate ...property is cheap but if a large plant comes in...they have to really reach out to get workers...baxters off the mountain hires w/i a 100 miles radius and supplies buses to bring workers in....we are still a very underpopulated area depending on tourism....
i see no problem with ashe country workers getting out and helping people sign up for programs need....that mountain pride should not mean kids go hungry or people nearly freeze in the winter...it has been several hard winters now...people need help....if you fully understood the programs....one will come in and help insulate a house...new windows etc....
and this not being a culturally diverse area...it may be hard to talk upper level plant types to come to the area....
visit us at the tavern...pogo is from yancey.....so we can take over the tavern lol....all 3 of us...
o that is a nice place too...but no this
http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-rubber-room/331430-the-tavern.html
we use to go to shatley springs lot....is that still open ..the all you can eat place?
Here in southern Indiana, we are not a part of the Appalachian mountains of course, however the culture of self sufficiency and resiliency is as much a part of life here as there.
What the OP misses out on, and many in this thread, is many do not want or need anyone to "solve their problem". This reminds me of when the Europeans came to America and saw how Indians lived, and felt like it was their duty to "civilize" them. Didn't work out too good for those poor helpless Indians did it?
Same here, not having money does not necessarily make you poor. If you know how to grow your own vegetables, hunt and fish...and barter for other necessities - who is to say that they are not richer than you? - who spends 8-10 hours a day working somewhere you don't want to be, doing something you don't want to do - and stressing everyday because of it.
A newer car, an over-sized house, 5 widescreen TV's etc. etc. etc. - just may not be something they want.
No, I fully agree with you about the "solve their problem" implication. I did not like the title to begin with and I like it much less as the posts come in. As the post a couple back said, they really don't want a factory or the environmental destruction. The thread about national parks had some good posts. I think that is something everyone would be happy with. I definitely thing Republican's agendas are destructive to the environment but also reading the President's 2015 budget they are clueless about areas like these. That is the main reason I started the thread. I think a national committee should sit down with some park rangers, extension agents, small business owners, and other locals and talk about what would really make sense. Bottom up, not top down. A little respect would go a long way.
I say "what they want" but I guess it would be OK to say 'we'. When one grows up in the sticks it is always there. I drive by and looks at a tree line and wonder how far back the woods go but know that it is probably a few hundred yards, at best.
No, I fully agree with you about the "solve their problem" implication. I did not like the title to begin with and I like it much less as the posts come in. As the post a couple back said, they really don't want a factory or the environmental destruction. The thread about national parks had some good posts. I think that is something everyone would be happy with. I definitely thing Republican's agendas are destructive to the environment but also reading the President's 2015 budget they are clueless about areas like these. That is the main reason I started the thread. I think a national committee should sit down with some park rangers, extension agents, small business owners, and other locals and talk about what would really make sense. Bottom up, not top down. A little respect would go a long way.
I say "what they want" but I guess it would be OK to say 'we'. When one grows up in the sticks it is always there. I drive by and looks at a tree line and wonder how far back the woods go but know that it is probably a few hundred yards, at best.
Sounds like you are suggesting creating something like an Indian Reservation for these folks as a way of addressing the issue. Maybe build a casino or bingo hall in the foothills and use the proceeds to fund economic reform for the mountain people?
The thread about national parks had some good posts...I think a national committee should sit down with some park rangers...No, I fully agree with you about the "solve their problem" implication. I did not like the title to begin with and I like it much less as the posts come in. As the post a couple back said, they really don't want a factory or the environmental destruction. The thread about national parks had some good posts. I think that is something everyone would be happy with. I definitely thing Republican's agendas are destructive to the environment but also reading the President's 2015 budget they are clueless about areas like these. That is the main reason I started the thread. I think a national committee should sit down with some park rangers, extension agents, small business owners, and other locals and talk about what would really make sense. Bottom up, not top down. A little respect would go a long way.
I say "what they want" but I guess it would be OK to say 'we'. When one grows up in the sticks it is always there. I drive by and looks at a tree line and wonder how far back the woods go but know that it is probably a few hundred yards, at best.
Sounds like you are suggesting creating something like an Indian Reservation for these folks as a way of addressing the issue. Maybe build a casino or bingo hall in the foothills and use the proceeds to fund economic reform for the mountain people?
What did I say that gave you that impression?
The thread about national parks had some good posts...I think a national committee should sit down with some park rangers...Sounds like you are suggesting creating something like an Indian Reservation for these folks as a way of addressing the issue. Maybe build a casino or bingo hall in the foothills and use the proceeds to fund economic reform for the mountain people?
What did I say that gave you that impression?
I have no problem admitting I jumped to that conclusion and I should have tried to find the National Park thread instead of assuming one solution you are suggestion is to turn these areas into National Parks to inspire tourism.
What I am saying is that they do not want the government to help any more than getting their food stamps and welfare checks. They don't want to better themselves, they want to be left alone to wallow in their own misery.Hmm...I haven't seen any comments like that. Its been a circle jerk of similar thought, but no warrant less attacks on Southerners or mountain people (I'm sorta surprised).
But lets be honest, there is poverty in the mountains because these people have no education and they make no attempt to better their community.
It's a lifestyle, no? There is nothing the matter with this...there is nothing the matter with wanting to live off the land and be one with the mountains. The thing is, if you want this lifestyle, if you want to remain isolated, if you want to be 'left alone' - don't make American's pay for your welfare!
There is something the matter with theses people living off the government...generation, after generation, after generation, after generation. There is something the matter with being intolerant to flatlanders, scaring away business, tourism, and growth then sucking up tax dollars because you want a lifestyle.
The solution is simple...no more welfare. Make these people move where there are jobs and where there is opportunity...because they sure as hell aren't creating ANY opportunity for themselves.
There are many people in the region. The people who live and enjoy their life is one group. People who like the cost of live and live like kings in the hills are another. There is another group where real tragedy lives. These are people who live in towns that used to be. Where there was a business and everyone adapted to working at the one big employer. When that employ picked up and left, for whatever reason, the town and its people are left to slowly decline into abject poverty. This is no "get a job" or "start your own business". There is possibly move elsewhere but families are large and close knit. They can't all pack up and move out. The roads fail, there are no teachers for the schools, and no doctors in the clinics. The government can either step in or not. There is no thing for sure, there are no easy answers.
As for moving large families...you would think, if you cared about your family, you would find a way to move out. They already know how to manipulate and abuse welfare...they could do the same in populated cities where there are jobs.
Sorry, this is nothing more than a group of people that are willful victims of the American welfare system.
What I am saying is that they do not want the government to help any more than getting their food stamps and welfare checks. They don't want to better themselves, they want to be left alone to wallow in their own misery.There are many people in the region. The people who live and enjoy their life is one group. People who like the cost of live and live like kings in the hills are another. There is another group where real tragedy lives. These are people who live in towns that used to be. Where there was a business and everyone adapted to working at the one big employer. When that employ picked up and left, for whatever reason, the town and its people are left to slowly decline into abject poverty. This is no "get a job" or "start your own business". There is possibly move elsewhere but families are large and close knit. They can't all pack up and move out. The roads fail, there are no teachers for the schools, and no doctors in the clinics. The government can either step in or not. There is no thing for sure, there are no easy answers.
As for moving large families...you would think, if you cared about your family, you would find a way to move out. They already know how to manipulate and abuse welfare...they could do the same in populated cities where there are jobs.
Sorry, this is nothing more than a group of people that are willful victims of the American welfare system.
Troll, you have no idea what living in the old hills is like. I've been there, I've done it, and I'm better educated than you.
What I am saying is that they do not want the government to help any more than getting their food stamps and welfare checks. They don't want to better themselves, they want to be left alone to wallow in their own misery.
As for moving large families...you would think, if you cared about your family, you would find a way to move out. They already know how to manipulate and abuse welfare...they could do the same in populated cities where there are jobs.
Sorry, this is nothing more than a group of people that are willful victims of the American welfare system.
Troll, you have no idea what living in the old hills is like. I've been there, I've done it, and I'm better educated than you.
Why do I have to know what it is like to live in the hills? Moonshine, meth and welfare checks..oh my. One doctor, no dentist and a nearby welfare office...right? And of course, lets not forget about the preacher that will marry you and your cousin for some shine and possum stew.
Again, willful victims of the welfare system. Leeches on society who want big government to fix their problems so they can continue their heritage of isolationism.
Oh, and I doubt you are better educated than me.
