Another Reason Why The Left Will Win

[Samson]

It's not just leftists and mutlicuturalists though. It's also the wealthy suburbanites in their gated communities, and the corporatists like the OP, and classists of all ideological stripes. If they know the real history we are a threat, if they don't we are just the ignorant unwashed and not worthy of their attention.

None of them understand us or bother to try,..........

HMMMmmmm.......no, I think they understand us very well, which is why they live "in their gated communities."

They probably don't want to live next to a single-wide trailor with a redwood deck containing several members of the water-mellon seed spitting team practicing their aim on a rusty washer in the yard and finishing a case of Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer.

Damn, they are up-tight bitches.

Here's a hint: Most of us don't either.

Well, ain't YOU the one with the silver spoon in her mouth!!!

 

[AkronGuy]

I meant in regards to mentality. Like some people look down upon the homeless because they subconsciously fear that but for chance, they could be in the same situation, or people look down upon the handicapped.

I think the word your looking for is Schadenfreude:

gloating at somebody else's bad luck: malicious or smug pleasure taken in somebody else's misfortune
[ Late 19th century. < German < Schaden "harm" + Freude "joy" ]

Encarta® World English Dictionary[North American Edition] © & (P) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.All rights reserved. Developed for Microsoft by Bloomsbury Publishing Plc.

While you could be right, especially if the people you're talking about are teenagers, schadenfreude certainly isn't monopolised by any one economic class.

I think it's universal.

I know from personal experience that I used to hate people from other economic groups. And I think it had to do with a subconscious fear of losing my own identity and similar things. But I outgrew that idiotic mentality thankfully.

 

[goldcatt]

Well said and you're exactly right. But you know what though ? I think that's what we must do. It's a horrifically sad situation where that's the best option and essentially only option. It worked when we fought the Cherokees for the only land we could live on and the only other choice was slavery in the Caribbean. Or when we were faced with genocide by the British and we as a people stood up and fought. Or during those long decades of slavery by the coal interests. Or the fact that many of us live in third world situations and have the lowest GDP in the western world.

IMO I think it'll take the rise of the new narco lords until the point where they become a threat, and armies must be sent again into the hills. That'll be the spark. Right now skirmishes between the Federal government and Appalchians employed by them are rising.

I'm not sure what part of Applachia you call home. Here, the Federal government basically leaves us alone and it's a wink and a nod between the locals and what you can call authorities. It's starting to change though. We had mafia control here for a long time after the coal companies and textile mills moved out, and whatever their faults (and they are plenty) they did keep out the even more pernicious criminal element. But the mob is declining and moving out, and the skinheads, drugs and gangs are moving in. It's only a matter of time until this area shows up on the radar. What happens then, I don't know. The clan mentality is still very much in place, and the tension still strong between ethnic and religious groups whose grandparents competed for survival. Old habits die hard. I've lived most of my adult life elsewhere, but this is my home and these are my people. I don't want to see it get ugly, I fear it will.

 

[AkronGuy]

I'm originally from southern West Virgina, but we moved up to Ohio when I was a teenager for economic reasons. Where I'm from, it's the same far as the wink and a nod and the federal government is around and they're interesting in eliminating meth, synthetic Oxycontin production and marijuana cultivation. The mafia was never an element in the region I'm from, but I understand that it's different in PA due to that region. The criminal element has always been structured in the clan system of our families, with the dominant criminals coming from the dominant clans. Where I'm from, the justice system and local politicians are bought and paid for by the shotcallers in the drug trade. Drugs are a horrific problem, Oxycontin, meth and other pills are a huge problem. Before I had children I'd become homesick and try to move down home again, but I'd eventually have to take 77 up north again because of the situation. When I was of the criminal mentality, I was back and forth for the obvious reasons. Because of the Migration and the essentially exact same economic situations for the migrants and their children, they have a supply of soldiers, dealers, enforcers and cooks. If the government does nothing in terms of changing the economic policies towards central Appalachia, then it'll continue to get worse and perhaps will escalate to a comparable level of what's happening on the Mexican and US border. They're both doing the samethings, using power and armed forces gained by selling narcotics and other illegal commodites by exporting them to a much richer community.

Here, as far as skinheads, most of them are Aryan Brotherhood and're ex convicts. They come back from usually Federal prison or Kentucky or Ohio or Virginia prisons and recruit amongst their family, and they're extremely successful at doing that.

 

[goldcatt]

That sound slike the setup the new element is bringing here, also mostly convicts and their families from a Federal pen they built in the area about 15 years ago. You used to hear about the isolated meth lab in the back of beyond, or some farmer growing weed in between his crops, but nothing like what the gangs are bringing in. And we're just close enough to be getting some of the criminal element that got kicked out of Hazleton (remember that story?) so now there's been an influx not just of Aryan Brotherhood but MS-13 and Latin Kings. It may not take the Feds coming in to start a war around here.

 

[Annie]

The brilliant and, to date, successful strategy of the left, to control the academy and produce the shock troops of the future, marches on.

The latest chapter involves the teaching of the history of unions. To many of us, unions are important, but, then, so is the elevator and we don't teach its history.

No, the real reason for the new curriculum is to indoctrinate in the successes of socialism.

According to one report, the curriculum contains the following statement: "free market competition, an outdated nostrum."

Check it out:

"That could soon change in Wisconsin, if Democratic Governor Jim Doyle signs a bill requiring the state's Superintendent of Public Instruction to include the history of organized labor and the collective bargaining process in state social studies standards. Teachers draw on those standards as they prepare students for standardized tests.

Doyle has said he will sign the law. The measure passed the Wisconsin Senate on October 27, supported by all Democrats and three Republicans; it had already passed the state's assembly.

While the law does not mandate that labor history be taught in schools, its presence in state standards means some schools will likely teach the subject, and that the state will provide assistance to schools that do. "
Labor Scores Long-Sought History Victory in Wisconsin Schools - Working In These Times


Reasonable, I am sure to our friends on the left, but what would the feelings be if the following were inserted into curriculum:

1. The History of the Successes of Capitalism

2. Intelligent Design.

3. The Grotesque History of Communism

4. How McCarty Saved America.

I agree with you about the idea of teaching capitalism and how it works, I do with the Stock Market Game. I also teach about elevators and how the need for them in urban areas created the demand for their invention, followed by the skyscrapers that allowed for more development of urban areas AND how that allowed for capitalism to continue.

I learned about unions 40 years ago, pretty much the same I teach now. It's in the same Unit as the elevator and again in the 30's. I wouldn't want the unions dictating our curriculum any more than I'd want Donald Trump with capitalism.

 

[AkronGuy]

That sound slike the setup the new element is bringing here, also mostly convicts and their families from a Federal pen they built in the area about 15 years ago. You used to hear about the isolated meth lab in the back of beyond, or some farmer growing weed in between his crops, but nothing like what the gangs are bringing in. And we're just close enough to be getting some of the criminal element that got kicked out of Hazleton (remember that story?) so now there's been an influx not just of Aryan Brotherhood but MS-13 and Latin Kings. It may not take the Feds coming in to start a war around here.

Allenwood right ? Or something along those lines, I've got a brother that's locked up there.

Mostly, it's just continuing the Ridge Runner tradition around here. During the company town times, you'd have the ridge boys and they were always criminals, and during the 50's and 60's when a lot of the mines shut down or let go tons of people due to technology making them obsolete a lot of people took to making shine and growing weed. And with every family having family up north meant that they had a far better market for their product than they did in their area. But with the decrease in shining, came an increase in making meth, mostly in the 90's and early 00's. But that was introduced from up north by meth cooks who wanted to escape NE Ohio to cook their drugs in the isolated hollars of their family down home and they would then train other people who would train others etc etc. Cooking meth is something you learn by apprenticeship. Then some folks learned how to synthesize Oxycontin. And now that's a big thing as well, I heard it takes about 5 to 10 dollars to make an 80 mg Oxycontin which sells for around 60 dollars a pop.

 

[Diuretic]

Yup, gotta give the Marxists credit for that, brilliant!

No Frank, a (British) Marxist treatise on unions would look like this:

1. How trades unions developed from mediaeval craft guilds
2. The Combination Laws (UK) and the transportation of the Tolpuddle Martyrs
3. The legalisation of trades unions and the beginning of the embourgeoisement of the working class.
4. How trades unions protect capitalism from overthrow by the proletariat
5. Mutual interests - trade union leaders and the bourgeoise Labour Party
6. The failure of the nascent revolution inherent in the UK General Strike of 1926 destroyed by the bourgeoise Trades Union Congress.
7. Trades unions - What is to be Done? Removing the trade union obstacle to the dictatorship of the proletariat and the march to true communism.

 

[goldcatt]

That sound slike the setup the new element is bringing here, also mostly convicts and their families from a Federal pen they built in the area about 15 years ago. You used to hear about the isolated meth lab in the back of beyond, or some farmer growing weed in between his crops, but nothing like what the gangs are bringing in. And we're just close enough to be getting some of the criminal element that got kicked out of Hazleton (remember that story?) so now there's been an influx not just of Aryan Brotherhood but MS-13 and Latin Kings. It may not take the Feds coming in to start a war around here.

Allenwood right ? Or something along those lines, I've got a brother that's locked up there.

Mostly, it's just continuing the Ridge Runner tradition around here. During the company town times, you'd have the ridge boys and they were always criminals, and during the 50's and 60's when a lot of the mines shut down or let go tons of people due to technology making them obsolete a lot of people took to making shine and growing weed. And with every family having family up north meant that they had a far better market for their product than they did in their area. But with the decrease in shining, came an increase in making meth, mostly in the 90's and early 00's. But that was introduced from up north by meth cooks who wanted to escape NE Ohio to cook their drugs in the isolated hollars of their family down home and they would then train other people who would train others etc etc. Cooking meth is something you learn by apprenticeship. Then some folks learned how to synthesize Oxycontin. And now that's a big thing as well, I heard it takes about 5 to 10 dollars to make an 80 mg Oxycontin which sells for around 60 dollars a pop.

No, I know where Allenwood is but it's not really local. That's been there for decades without a lot of real problems. There's another one they built in Shamokin though, that's where the problems are coming from. You probably heard about the Shenandoah case where the boys beat a Hispanic to death in front of witnesses and were found not guilty? That's the area.

 

[AkronGuy]

I vaguely heard of the case, but I'm not too familiar with Pennsylvania. And what was the reason for the killing ? I kind of have an idea but I don't want to say just in case I'm wrong.

 

[goldcatt]

He was walking with a white girl, of course. Some say they were dating, some say they weren't and he was just walking her home from something or other, I never heard for sure.

That's anthracite country. When you're talking "hillbilly" mixed with the ex-cons and their influence that's hard core. I'm just outside the area in the old iron mining region. It's not quite so bad here, but it's creeping.

 

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That sound slike the setup the new element is bringing here, also mostly convicts and their families from a Federal pen they built in the area about 15 years ago. You used to hear about the isolated meth lab in the back of beyond, or some farmer growing weed in between his crops, but nothing like what the gangs are bringing in. And we're just close enough to be getting some of the criminal element that got kicked out of Hazleton (remember that story?) so now there's been an influx not just of Aryan Brotherhood but MS-13 and Latin Kings. It may not take the Feds coming in to start a war around here.

 

[goldcatt]

The OP was crap. Sometimes thread drift is a public service.

 

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[AkronGuy]

He was walking with a white girl, of course. Some say they were dating, some say they weren't and he was just walking her home from something or other, I never heard for sure.

That's anthracite country. When you're talking "hillbilly" mixed with the ex-cons and their influence that's hard core. I'm just outside the area in the old iron mining region. It's not quite so bad here, but it's creeping.

I don't consider them mixed since they're all Appalachians. And I do recall now what you're talking about, and I think it's wrong and at the sametime, I can understand why they did it, which goes back to the old days when a woman's honor was protected with deadly violence. Personally, I think our use of Hillbilly is the same way Black folks use "nigga", only we can use it, and personallly, I'll fight if an American of any color uses it in a negative context.

Down home, we don't consider being an ex con a bad thing unless you're a sex offender, or you've done wrong to your family or the community directly. Which kind of confuses me because if you're selling poison to your community, you're held in no disregard, even as a child I've never been able to wrap my head around that. But where I'm from, and I won't lie, we got the money to move from the local shotcaller, may he RIP. People who're starving get money from them for food, they buy gifts for Christmas where there wouldn't be any, they pay for rent, for utilities and other things which means the community holds them in high regards.

 

[AkronGuy]

The OP was crap. Sometimes thread drift is a public service.

lol Exactly, and I was actually thinking the samething.

 

[AkronGuy]

Our definition of cousin is far different than the American definition. Our clan system means that we're all related in some way or another. Even Gold is probably a cousin to me in some way or another. Hell I'm kin to the Rockefellers, even though they're utterly Yankerfied now. An Appalachian upon first meeting talks about who they're kin too and then the other Appalachian will eventually find a way that they're related to you, I've never met an Appalachian that I wasn't related to in a way. Our familial structure is quite different than yours and that's something Americans don't understand.

 

[AkronGuy]

Every act of incest that I've been witness too has been with Americans. I have had American women commit incest with their sisters and I've known of other incestous acts amonst Americans, that shit wouldn't be tolerated with me and mine.

 

[Samson]

Our familial structure is quite different than yours and that's something Americans don't understand.

I'm convinced that we're all better off not understanding your familial structure.

 

[AkronGuy]

Our familial structure is quite different than yours and that's something Americans don't understand.

I'm convinced that we're all better off not understanding your familial structure.

lol Actually that's cool. We all know it before we enter kindergarten. But one thing we all know that's never going to change, is that Grandma's the boss and the judge jury and executioner. She's the Stalin in our families, unless there's a Great Grandma. We're a matriarchal society.