Another Debate Audience Recites Pledge when Moderator says "no!"

[teapartysamurai]

What Im talking about is the nationalism you are hawking right now, otherwise you wouldnt want to force people that wouldnt normally use the pledge.

To keep claiming the left is un-American or hates our country is plain stupid. We are no less American than you are.

Anyone who refuses the pledge of allegiance is , in my eyes, not 100% American.
I salute the flag and say the pledge at least once a month myself. And I mean it. You don't like it, too bad for you.

Ok mister proud American. You have a right to your opinion.

Theyre still Americans no matter what your opinion is.

Yeah, and they will still be Americans when their ilk get voted out of office.

Let's see how "proud they are to be American" when that happens.

 

[teapartysamurai]

You dont know what nationalism is do you?

You don't know how stupid it is to equate the pledge with nationalism do YOU?

So, since you dont know Ill explain. Not that youll pay attention..........or learn anything.

Nationalism involves a strong identification of a group of individuals with a political entity defined in national terms, i.e. a nation.

Conversely, nationalism might also be portrayed as collective identities towards imagined communities which are not naturally expressed in language, race or religion but rather socially constructed by the very individuals that belong to a given nation.[6] Nationalism is sometimes reactionary, calling for a return to a national past, and sometimes for the expulsion of foreigners. Other forms of nationalism are revolutionary, calling for the establishment of an independent state as a homeland for an ethnic underclass.

National flags, national anthems, and other symbols of national identity are often considered sacred, as if they were religious rather than political symbols.

Definition of NATIONALISM
1
: loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups
2
: a nationalist movement or government
Examples of NATIONALISM

1. The war was caused by nationalism and greed.
2. <Nazism's almost epic nationalism appealed to downtrodden Germans still suffering the humiliation of being defeated in World War I.>

And of course, you forget one little thing:

patriotism noun

/&#712;pæt.ri.&#601;.t&#618;.z&#601;m/, /&#712;pe&#618;.tri-/

/&#712;pe&#618;.tri-/ n

when you love your country and are proud of it

But I guess you were too busy hating America to bother to look that one up!

 

[teapartysamurai]

Truth is, the semantic difference between the words "nationalism" and "patriotism" is very slight indeed. The main difference is in usage. The former is used by American historians when talking about Nazis while the latter is used by American historians when talking about North American colonists of the 18th century.

And you can't tell the difference?

 

[teapartysamurai]

"The Pledge of Allegiance" is our countries pledge. It instills nationalism, that is it makes us proud. What Im saying is bad are nationalists, like yourself.

Im very proud of our country but the current nationalistic attitudes of some of you is unacceptable. You will find that out at some point.

Oh get this! I'm a "nationalist" because I'm for saying the pledge.

And of course that's bad because it might make people want to vote for the COUNTRY instead of socialist goodies like Obama offers.

THAT's why liberals find this bad. Can't have people feeling pride in their country!

Noooooooooooooo, can't have that!

Keep this up liberals. Tuesday is coming!

No, you are a nationalist because you wear your pride on your sleeve.

What you mean is, I'm a "nationalist" because I'm going to vote against your socialist ilk this Tuesday, and saying the pledge is an outward expression of this.

That's why you libs are having such a fit about this.

Why keep lying about it, when it's obvious?

 

[RadiomanATL]

Truth is, the semantic difference between the words "nationalism" and "patriotism" is very slight indeed. The main difference is in usage. The former is used by American historians when talking about Nazis while the latter is used by American historians when talking about North American colonists of the 18th century.

And you can't tell the difference?

Point ----> .





TPS ---->

 

[CurveLight]

No, I didn't Curvey:



You lose.

Again.

Let me charitable since you are obviously having comprehension problems. The pdf you reference states when active may attend political events. No where does it say that being a spectator in uniform constitutes official endorsement. That is why I cited the actual fucking directive. The reason you keep ignoring the actual directive is because it proves you wrong. Unless you have the balls to address the actual directive there is nothing more to say.

For the last fucking time, The DOD Directive which was updated in 2008 (not 2005) specifically says

"]4.1.1. A member of the Armed Forces on active duty may:

4.1.1.9. Attend partisan and nonpartisan political fundraising activities, meetings, rallies, debates, conventions, or activities as a spectator when not in uniform

Now if this is too difficult for Bentdick to understand that is his problem. In plain English an active duty member of the Armed Forces of the United States may not wear their Uniform to a political debate.


It is not difficult to understand for most people.


as a spectator when not in uniform

Bentdick is simply wrong and wants to argue a stupid point that he cannot win. I'm done with him in this thread. Someone else can kick him.

Twenty fucking two years of milking the service and you still don't know how to read Refs. What a fucking embarrassment. The actual directive on wearing the uniform is 1334.01 that was last updated in October 2005. That is why the pdf file radioasswipe linked has to reference it. Also dumbfuck, when a regulation is updated and supercedes a previous directive, it will literally say it in the directive. That is why the october 2005 directive states the previously updated version of March 2005 is (hereby canceled).

Believe me Queen of Cowards, I am not surprised that after you got kicked out of the military after 22 years you still don't know how to read regs. Probably a main reason why you never got past E-7 you fucking joke.

 

[teapartysamurai]

What can you expect from people who also don't have a problem with burning the American flag? I'm glad the audience recited the Pledge.

Quote:

THAT's why liberals find this bad. Can't have people feeling pride in their country!

Well it starts with the fact that we have a President who is ashamed of this country.Doesn't he have a wife after all who until just recently hated it as well?

YOU have a great point there!

These are the same people who lecture us about "freedom of expression" when it comes to burning the flag, but if you RECITE THE PLEDGE to that same flag . . . THAT'S DIFFERENT!!!!!!!!

Man, I'm ashamed I didn't think of that myself!

+100 for you my friend!

 

[teapartysamurai]

Beavis and Butthead are like soooo appropriate. Really.

Yeah, how dare he zero in on liberal's hypocrisy on this issue.

But you liberals DO defend those who burn the flag and lecture us how we have to be for that because it's "freedom of expression."

But when American Citizens all stand up TO SAY THE PLEDGE IN PROTEST . . . . THAT'S DIFFERENT!

Face it! Rozman kicked your ass!

I thought I was the veritible queen, but I just handed my pinball (debating) crown to him!

Rozman

 

[teapartysamurai]

What can you expect from people who also don't have a problem with burning the American flag? I'm glad the audience recited the Pledge.

Quote:

THAT's why liberals find this bad. Can't have people feeling pride in their country!

Well it starts with the fact that we have a President who is ashamed of this country.Doesn't he have a wife after all who until just recently hated it as well?

he isn't ashamed of this Nation...he loathes it and is on a vandetta to destroy it.

Yeah! Michelle, "I'm finally proud of my country" Obama! Can't forget her!

 

[teapartysamurai]

You're calling yourself a liberal now?

Let me google that for you

do cite

No stupe, you're the liberal.

And you know what I can cite? Your own words!!!!

This is the second liberal who has deleted his own words so he doesn't have to defend them anymore!

Pretty funny!

you're a loon

Yeah, well all of us "loons" are going to be voting on Tuesday. Show your contempt for that!

 

[teapartysamurai]

And HOW is that WILL OF THE NATION to be represented?

Well, by elections of course. As another poster said, this debate was supposed to inform the public and thus make them good voters. But the right wing can't have the electorate be informed. Oh no. Much better to have some bots do a ritual and thus attempt to have the election based on foolish faux-patriotism instead of things that take actual thought.

BTW, if you think the "will of the people" is to institute the radical agenda of the tea party, you're sadly mistaken. You have some uninformed folks that are pissed at the way the economy is right now taking it out on the party in power. That's it. I really, really hope that if the Republican majority comes to pass on Tuesday that they actually try to institute the Tea Party agenda.

Nothing could be better for liberalism in the long run.

Yeah because having liberals in charge as we have right now, sure isn't helping liberalism.

Seems to be hurting it big time!

If you think we 'have liberals in charge', you don't know what Liberalism is

Yeah, I forgot! You guys are still waiting for Karl Marx to rise from the grave!

 

[CurveLight]

If you are retired there are DOD directives that govern when you may wear your uniform. Mine has also shrunk a few sizes by the way.

What rules would you be ignoring in reciting the pledge? I fail to understand. And I am offended by those who claim the Pledge is anything other than a reaffirmation of your loyalty and devotion to the USA. What else should offend me?

FYI:
"The governing directive, Air Force Instruction 36-2903, states that Air Force retirees may wear the uniform at occasions of military ceremonies, which include military funerals, weddings, memorial services, and inaugurals, patriotic parades on national holidays and at other military parades or ceremonies in which any active or Reserve U.S. military unit is taking part."
Air Force Retiree Uniform Wear

Anyone with an honorable discharge from any branch can wear the uniform at those listed events.

This asshole doesn't give up..... No bentdick that is not what the Directives say.

Don't you get tired of being bitch slapped?

Retirees and veterans may wear their uniforms in appropriate settings as
described in the Department of Defense Instruction 1334. 01 "Wearing of the
Uniform ."
Wearing Medals, Awards, and Decorations - Military Benefits - Military.com

 

[teapartysamurai]

Do you recite it with them or refuse?

I would recite the pledge with them, they being real patriots in my estimation.

Now, here's a counter question...

Can you imagine a group of soldiers, in uniform, ignoring the rules of the debate they were attending and reciting the pledge to show everyone just how patriotic they were?

Soldiers in Uniform would not be attending a political debate. At least they shouldn't be attending. And in 22 years on active duty the only times I remember reciting the pledge in uniform was at formal Military dinners. The Military follows strict protocol.There is no debate.

wait... vets shouldn't attend political debates so they can be educated when they go to the voting booths?

They should just... obey... the GOP's orders?

And then liberals say the efforts to keep absentee ballots out of the hands of our soldiers overseas is just a glitch.

Disgusting!

 

[teapartysamurai]

Outside the bible there is no proof at all that Jesus of nasereth ever existed.

Not so. There are the accounts of Flavius Josepheus and Pliny the Younger.

And in texts rejected by the Nicene Council

Which means it wasn't going to be put in the Bible, NOT that it can't be considered historical evidence!

Geesh!

 

[CurveLight]

How liberals LOATHE those in uniform.

I'm a liberal who wore the unifrom in the fucking sandbox, while the nation was at war. You can fucking stuff your stereotype. CurveLight s a sillyvilian and he can have and express whatever fucked up notion about the military he likes. I have sworn to fight to the death to protect such idiocy and I'm prepared to do exactly that. I would fight to the death to defend your idiocy as well.

But I will not have my patriotism questioned by a moron. Not without labelling the moron a moron that is.

A little background:

Curvey claims he served in uniform during desert storm, and was on the front lines.

And TPS is a drooling mouth breather, and only those with the mental capacity to handle binary thoughts/decisions enjoy what she has to say.

*Info brought to you by the USMB welcoming committee.

I love it when punk ass hypocrites like you advertise your hypocrisy for free. You "respect" combat vets when it is fashionable but when you get bitch slapped you imply they lie about their service. What a fucking useless bitch.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Sorry Full-Auto, I can't answer a question without enough info.

But if you have a problem pledging allegiance to a country, then maybe you shouldn't live in that country.

So you support liberty & justice for ALL, huh? How about for war criminals Bush & Cheney?

War criminals!

This is your liberal! Remember this when you vote!

 

[The T]

What can you expect from people who also don't have a problem with burning the American flag? I'm glad the audience recited the Pledge.

Quote:

THAT's why liberals find this bad. Can't have people feeling pride in their country!

Well it starts with the fact that we have a President who is ashamed of this country.Doesn't he have a wife after all who until just recently hated it as well?

And when they do? The 'Nazi' ephitets are unleashed by the left for expressing such pride in Liberty.

 

[RadiomanATL]

How liberals LOATHE those in uniform.

I'm a liberal who wore the unifrom in the fucking sandbox, while the nation was at war. You can fucking stuff your stereotype. CurveLight s a sillyvilian and he can have and express whatever fucked up notion about the military he likes. I have sworn to fight to the death to protect such idiocy and I'm prepared to do exactly that. I would fight to the death to defend your idiocy as well.

But I will not have my patriotism questioned by a moron. Not without labelling the moron a moron that is.

A little background:

Curvey claims he served in uniform during desert storm, and was on the front lines.

And TPS is a drooling mouth breather, and only those with the mental capacity to handle binary thoughts/decisions enjoy what she has to say.

*Info brought to you by the USMB welcoming committee.

I love it when punk ass hypocrites like you advertise your hypocrisy for free. You "respect" combat vets when it is fashionable but when you get bitch slapped you imply they lie about their service. What a fucking useless bitch.

Hey Curvey,

I never implied that you were lying about your service.

Guilty conscience?

 

[JBeukema]

Yeah because having liberals in charge as we have right now, sure isn't helping liberalism.

Seems to be hurting it big time!

If you think we 'have liberals in charge', you don't know what Liberalism is

Yeah, I forgot! You guys are still waiting for Karl Marx to rise from the grave!

Do you even know what you're babbling about?

 

[JBeukema]

Outside the bible there is no proof at all that Jesus of nasereth ever existed.

Not so. There are the accounts of Flavius Josepheus and Pliny the Younger.

And in texts rejected by the Nicene Council

Which means it wasn't going to be put in the Bible, NOT that it can't be considered historical evidence!

Geesh!

Seriously, pi, what the fuck are you babbling about?