Skull Pilot
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Not all sugar affects the body the same way. I don't know what about that is so hard to understand. You are aware that there are many different types of sugar right? You can't just look at all sugars in the same way-because they don't effect your body in the same way. And you provided links? Fine.
Carbohydrates: Good Carbs Guide the Way - What Should I Eat? - The Nutrition Source - Harvard School of Public Health
There's a reason why low carb diets aren't that successful and were fads (Atkins) and why a plan like Weight Watchers is and has been very successful.
The bottom line with losing weight is simple:
For ever 3,500 calories you eat you gain a pound, for every 3,500 calories you burn-you lose a weight. And you cannot train your body to burn off any type of energy over another, or "spot" reduce weight either.
ALL sugar raises insulin levels. Why can't you understand that?
More and more people are eating Primal and low carb than ever before and are thriving.
The problem with people going on a low carb diet is that they view it as temporary and as soon as they start eating like cows again they get fat yet again and often fatter than they were before.
You do realize that one can be at a good weight and still have a fucked up body chemistry don't you? I know plenty of people who eat like cows and even though they are slim are on blood pressure and cholesterol medication.
There is a reason for that and I have given you scientific evidence and you have given me nothing but so called conventional wisdom which is failing because it is inherently flawed.
And I mentioned in my first post that diet does not necessarily a mean weight loss program.
But then again you have not refuted that those who pursue a low carb high protein high fat program to lose weight not only lose more weight but also have better blood chemistry than those who pursue a low protein low fat high carb plan.
There is a reason for that and it is that we were not meant to eat like cows.
I gave you Harvard as a resource-you're using doctors who own diet programs that they want to sell to people. Talk to your own doctor or a nutritionist-that's what I suggest everybody do. I did (my doctor-not a nutritionist), and lost tons of weight-and have kept it off, I'm in better shape than I was in high school, my blood pressure is always perfect (and I'm at a high risk-as my father has high blood pressure). It's not hard to figure out (but does take dedication).
For full disclosure, I will say that I do go workout everyday (weight 5 days a week, and cardio everyday), and have played ice-hockey my whole life. After everytime I lift weights I do also take a protein shake. So I'm not anti-protein, of course it's important. But carbs are extremely important.
But as I said before-go eat a meal high in protein and fat, low in carbs and workout. Then eat a meal high in carbs (whole wheat, fruits/veges), moderate in protein and low in fat (not without fat)-and see how you perform. Go running, or lift weight, or anything that you can track how well you do. I guarantee you'll have more energy and will be more productive with the second option.
You assume I don't work out? An hour work out is a warm up for me. I bike, run, and do a variety of weights and body weight exercises. I have no problem with endurance being on a low carb regimen
And the difference between you and me in this thread is simple-anybody can go back and read. I'm staying on the same topic and the same view. In some posts you talk about weight loss, in others you say you're not talking about weight loss. In one paragraph you'll say yes that fiber is a carb-but that you don't count it as a carb (openling choosing to neglect a fact is astonishing to me). You then say that fat is a better source of energy than carbs are.
I was answering questions about weigh loss posed by other posters. And it is possible to talk about 2 aspects of one subject. But regardless the reason why low carb is so good for weight loss is the very reason that it's healthier than eating like a cow.
So here's a few basic points I'll make that you've been avoiding throughout the thread:
-If fat is a better source of energy than carbs-than why does your body chose to burn off glycogen off before burning off fat (hence ketosis)?
OK I'll say i again. The liver uses fat to turn protein into glucose and glucose is used for fuel. This is done without spiking insulin levels. A high carb diet desensitizes insulin receptors so the body produces more and more insulin. Over time it is high levels of insulin that cause heart disease. Hence fat is better than carbs (sugar)
-How is eating more fat than carbs going to lose you more weight in the long run when 1gm of fat=9cals and 1gram of carbs=4cals?
Now you're talking calories again. If you're counting calories then count them
-Explain how fiber is "unusable" by the body-other than not being digestible. If not being able to be physical digestible means it's "unusable"-then why does eating corn give you cals?
I've done all this before but here we go again.
The carbs in fiber are unusable and do not cause insulin spikes. Is that so hard to understand?
There's a lot of flaws in your logic, and you haven't backed it up with "science". Actually you even claimed that I had fallen for lies of "the books". You keep posting information from organizations selling fad diets (or affiliated with them), I'd love to see an unbiased source that claims that diets consuming low carbs are healthy for you.
The link from the New England Journal of medicine with the results of a scientific study weren't science? How about the one from Scientific American; what were they trying to sell?
And I haven't bought anything from anyone regarding diets. And if you think Weight Watchers doesn't want to sell you anything then you're wrong, again.
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