America's New Enemy

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    America has faced a magnificent number of enemies in its short history. The greatest of enemies was communism, but since the 50's it has been slandered enough to ensure that it will never again hold a foothold with the goal of unifying the world. However, the world seems to have turned to communism's little brother, socialism, which has been tried on every continent in the world. The advocates of socialism argue that they do their work for the progress of man-kind, and this is their weapon. The first sign is famine such as in Cuba. And the true difference between capitalism and socialism has been answered once and for all, just look at east and west Berlin of the late eighties. The socialist leaders are power lusted and search for the unearned always. They are full of indefinable altruist slogans for the advancement of collectivism all for the purpose of supporting their self-deception. One sure way to spot a dangerous socialist leader is to look at the monuments he builds, for the purpose of his prestige. In the days of the pharaohs' thousands of men died so that their leader will be able to rest in a senseless structure so that he may have prestige in the eyes of the unborn future generations. America's greatness lies in the fact that her monuments aren't public. The skyline of New York is a far greater monument then the pyramids will ever be.
    So remember, there will always be a no contest between humanrights and property-rights, No human rights can exist without property rights. Since the material goods that an individual man works for are produced by mind and effort, and are needed to continue to live, if the producer doesn't own the payment of his effort, then he doesn't own his life. Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming he right to treat human beings as nothing more than a herd of mindless cattle. When you think of socialism, think of the mindless mediocrity that was spawned not of effort, but of unearned prestige, and then think of the public park, public houses, public theaters, and then remember the New York skyline, and think of what made America.
    Clearly America is under attack, not from the soundness of mind, but from the sickness of heart, and only the individual man with reason as his weapon could ever defeat the enemy.
     
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    just as good as the propagandists of the communist era.

    congratulations. :rolleyes:
     
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    Welcome to the board. Now what the heck are you talking about? Socialism is our greatest enemy now? OK, have fun riding your hobby-horse.
     
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    America's only new enemy is Socialism...unless you consider terrorism to be new. In that case you don't consider the assassination of Lincoln to be terrorrism.

    Bashing every one that is against Capialism is my hobby, but I have a just crusade, and will fight it out with anyone.
     
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    Hey John, nice to have a fellow capitalist on board. ;)
     
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    Better round up those swedes, norweigans and canucks. A little social welfare in the wrong hands could be quite deadly! Imagine Canadians gathering in throngs armed with their ruthless politeness, desire to end poverty and ideas of global citizenry. The consequences may be dire indeed. :rolleyes:

    I'm no fan of communism. It's a failed system, but last time I checked the social-welfare states of the above countries are hardly worthy of fear mongering, nor are they progressing into some sort authoritarianistic regime. In fact, I'd say these countries are doing progressing just fine as global citizens.

    I reject the assertment that liberal socialist democracy is a "sickness of heart". It is a reaction to both the benefits and pitfalls of capitalism. I would even venture to say it is an embodiment of the evolution of our human social conscience and one that i am proud to me a member of.
     
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    Very well put, isaac. There's no such thing as absolute capitalism - every country has it to a degree. Even North Korea has to work with it and recognize the necessity of a black market. Capitalism - the private ownwership and free exchange of goods - is just the most natural system. If Jon is so distressed by socialism, I wonder what he thinks of public money spent on schools, roads, government investment in research and development, farm subsidies, and veterans' affairs. Is this not private money taken to spend on societal goals - i.e. socialism?
     
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    I might add, as well, if any degree of socialism leads to such dire things economically, why is it we need to place tarriffs on so many European and Canadian products, even ones not subsidized by their governments? Shouldn't we be able to compete against, say, the European steel industry?
     
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    Having the Government spend tax dollars on roads and public education is great. However, it is when the government bcomes a business and deals with insurance and other commercial enterprises that it becomes a danger and must return the market to the people. The government should have two functions... To protect the people, and to to ensure that we recieve our individual rights (which include property rights).

    The proof has been shown (i.e. Soviet Russia, China , Cuba, and the freed East Berlin) that any one who claims to be doing something for the public good is really condoning the abolition of all freedom and all rights, the expropriation of all property, executioons without trial, slave-camps, torure and the abandonment of the individual's happiness.

    The character in Ayn Rand's book Atlas Shrugged, who I have named myself (John Galt) says it best, "The source of man's rights is not divine law or congressional law, but the law of identity. A is A-and Man is Man. Rights are conditions of existence required by man's nature for his proper survival. If man is to live on earth, it is RIGHT for him to use his mind, it is RIGHT to act on his own free judgment, it is RIGHT to work for his values and to keep the product of his work. If life on earth is his purpose, he has a RIGHT to live as a rational being: nature forbids him the irrational."
     
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    The most common misconception of modern socialism is that it mirrors the utopian socialism of the 19th century. Socialism does not require the abolition of rights in order to succeed. Last time I checked I'm writing on a board about free speech. Why isn't CSIS (our CIA/FBI) after me?

    Freedom and socialism are not opposite point and I reject your assertment that one necessarily leeds to the oppression of the other. I might politely suggest that you move beyond the our Engelistic version of socialism.

    Do you know what democracy is? Perhaps you think you do, and perhaps most of us think we do. It's individual freedom and equality amongst the classes right? Well that's only 2/3rd's right. Democracy as introduced by the French had 3 tenents: "Liberté, Egalité et Fraternité". In Western democracies we have Liberty and Equality which is to say for the most part we have of individual freedoms and equality amongst the classes, however we do not have fraternity. Fraternity can be described as our social welfare, our protection of the poor.

    I suppose you could even say Communism in a sense was a part democracy having Equality (minus corruption of course) and Fraternity, but no liberty. Again, 2/3rd's of the tenets.

    Modern liberal socialist states try to have all three. Not to say it's perfect by any means, but that's the goal. Not to create communism or some sort of Orwellian oppressive state, but to meet Western Democracy with the inherint support of our poor and less fortunate. You could argue social darwinism, but I'd say protecting our week is one thing that makes, well, human, for better or worse.
     

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