American Nazis In Mufti

[Pumpkin Row]

I think Fascist is the wrong term, but they are radical. Fascists is per definition right wingers

Except they're not. Not a single trait in Fascists is Right Wing, you've just been tricked by the Liberals.

Im not sure, not every authoritarian or totalitarian government form is fascism though. Fascism per definition has socially conservative ideas, but the government form is totalitarian. There is left-right and authoritarian-libertarian. Fascists are right-authoritarian, while Republicans are Right-Libertarian. Communists are Left-Authoritarian, but there are also anarcho-leftists who are left-libertarian etc.

The further right you move, the less government there is. The fact that you're looking at the definition instead of applying rational thought only shows you're a Liberal at heart. Considering the Republicans are the ones who freed the slaves while the Democrats were the ones fighting them to keep races in bondage while YOU'RE claiming that Republicans or Conservatives are somehow inherently racists and racist policies, like the Jim Crow laws, also put in place by Democrats, are somehow Socially Conservative only goes to show how confused you are. You really should stop asking the Liberal Establishment what you should think, because they may convince you up is down next.

I'll bet our Liberal pal, Morti, has never read Thoreau....

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”

It's too bad that it means a free and enlightened state will never exist. The world is too heavily populated by those that are content to be told what to think rather than applying rational thought. The mentally and physically lazy have become the majority. I only hope that when that lifestyle finally causes enough mass destruction to subvert itself, everyone I care about is dead so they don't have to struggle through the chaos as it takes hold, then transitions. Liberals will continue to lack self awareness until that time comes.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I think Fascist is the wrong term, but they are radical. Fascists is per definition right wingers

No, they're not. Fascism, socialism, etc. are all collectivist governmental systems and classified as left wing. Individualist (or in its extreme form anarchy) are right wing.

I define right wing by the content of its ideology not by the government form. Fascism is socially conservative, nationalistic, racialist etc. Thats right wing ideas to me. Read also my post about right-left and authoritarian-libertarian. There was a political compass out there, where you can see where you stand.

And that is what the Fabian socialists have been indoctrinating you with for decades. They don't want you to think for yourself. Think about it though. How can fascism ad socialism be different systems when they both advocate maximum government control over the individual? Does that make any sort of sense to you? They have tried to convince you that government types are a circle endlessly chasing one another. But they're not. They are actually quite simple. Anarchy on one extreme, and totalitarian on the other. Individualist vs collectivist.

Do some reading and think for yourself.

You want to dissasociate yourself from fascism, Im not saying Republicans or conservatives are fascists, but fascists have been conservative too, for example religious (aligned with church and having religious ideas), nationalistic etc.

Now, pay attention:

Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life
9. Which restricts free speech and thought?
10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

1. If you're not familiar with the term, mufti....'Mufti, or civies/civvies (slang for "civilian attire"), refers to plain or ordinary clothes' is the reason one may not recognize Fascists and Nazis of the following sort ...until they open their mouths....

2. The Fascist element in Liberals can be seen in the way they work, tirelessly, to shut down free speech and free thought.
A particularly poignant case is Liberals no longer allowing grandparents to see/speak to their grandchildren if the grandparent voted for Trump.

3. "Look, I’m no stranger to disagreeing with relatives about politics. And that’s partly why I was so shocked to read this. Sure, some are truly upset now in light of this election’s result (welcome to how some of us felt in 2008 and 2012!), and maybe people will take different actions in the end.

But right now, at least some liberals are considering literally ending ties with relatives—including not letting grandparents see their grandkids!—over a vote for Trump. And that’s not just these two commenters. On a different Jezebel post, commenters discussed unfriending people on Facebook who supported Trump. “ImmortalAgnes” wrote:

'I also deleted everyone who supported Trump from FB. Thankfully, it wasn’t that many people. Unfortunately, it included my step-dad. I don’t think these people don’t get it – I think they don’t care. I think that to take rights from women, from people of color, from the LGBT+ community, from non-Christians is what they want.

I love my step-dad. But I cannot stand by and pretend like he didn’t just proudly support racism and misogyny. I will not be speaking to him. I will not be seeing him." The Shocking Intolerance of Anti-Trump Liberals



4. Get that?
Not debate, explain, clarify, inform....
Simply make certain that differing opinions are not to be heard.
Over and over....it is an integral part of the 'Shameful Six'...
Communists, Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, and Socialist.

More than un-American: dangerous and abhorrent.



5. "Again: What? What are the rights that supposedly Trump is going to take away? We’ve been living in a country where, as The Weekly Standard’s Mark Hemingway tweeted, “Obama did sue nuns over birth control for crying out loud,” where religious bakers and florists have been told they have to participate in same-sex weddings, where an African-American fire chief lost his job over a book he wrote about his religious beliefs that included passages on same-sex marriage, and yet, the real threat to rights is from Trump?"
The Shocking Intolerance of Anti-Trump Liberals

How's it feel to be on the receiving end of things this time. Same thing happened over Obama in 2008 and still continues to this day. While I don't mind someone talking disparingly, I do draw the line in the suggesting that OUR President needs to be Assassinated. And I let them know I didn't care for it. I served under many Presidents in the Military. Whether I liked them or not, they were MY President and if someone were plotting to assassinate them I would take any and all actions to stop them. I served under 6 presidents and NO ONE threatens the President. There were more than a few that all of a sudden started almost screaming LIBERAL at me to the point I just walked away. To this day, those close friends are not on my list of friends or even acquaintances. But it was their choice, not mine.

I am a Progressive Conservative ALA Eisenhower and Teddy R. You know, what the GOP was founded on and stayed until about 1980.

Forty years in the military? Highly doubtful.

Start with Nixon and count forward 5 Presidents. End it when you get to Clinton. Some moderator you are.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. If you're not familiar with the term, mufti....'Mufti, or civies/civvies (slang for "civilian attire"), refers to plain or ordinary clothes' is the reason one may not recognize Fascists and Nazis of the following sort ...until they open their mouths....

2. The Fascist element in Liberals can be seen in the way they work, tirelessly, to shut down free speech and free thought.
A particularly poignant case is Liberals no longer allowing grandparents to see/speak to their grandchildren if the grandparent voted for Trump.

3. "Look, I’m no stranger to disagreeing with relatives about politics. And that’s partly why I was so shocked to read this. Sure, some are truly upset now in light of this election’s result (welcome to how some of us felt in 2008 and 2012!), and maybe people will take different actions in the end.

But right now, at least some liberals are considering literally ending ties with relatives—including not letting grandparents see their grandkids!—over a vote for Trump. And that’s not just these two commenters. On a different Jezebel post, commenters discussed unfriending people on Facebook who supported Trump. “ImmortalAgnes” wrote:

'I also deleted everyone who supported Trump from FB. Thankfully, it wasn’t that many people. Unfortunately, it included my step-dad. I don’t think these people don’t get it – I think they don’t care. I think that to take rights from women, from people of color, from the LGBT+ community, from non-Christians is what they want.

I love my step-dad. But I cannot stand by and pretend like he didn’t just proudly support racism and misogyny. I will not be speaking to him. I will not be seeing him." The Shocking Intolerance of Anti-Trump Liberals



4. Get that?
Not debate, explain, clarify, inform....
Simply make certain that differing opinions are not to be heard.
Over and over....it is an integral part of the 'Shameful Six'...
Communists, Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, and Socialist.

More than un-American: dangerous and abhorrent.



5. "Again: What? What are the rights that supposedly Trump is going to take away? We’ve been living in a country where, as The Weekly Standard’s Mark Hemingway tweeted, “Obama did sue nuns over birth control for crying out loud,” where religious bakers and florists have been told they have to participate in same-sex weddings, where an African-American fire chief lost his job over a book he wrote about his religious beliefs that included passages on same-sex marriage, and yet, the real threat to rights is from Trump?"
The Shocking Intolerance of Anti-Trump Liberals

How's it feel to be on the receiving end of things this time. Same thing happened over Obama in 2008 and still continues to this day. While I don't mind someone talking disparingly, I do draw the line in the suggesting that OUR President needs to be Assassinated. And I let them know I didn't care for it. I served under many Presidents in the Military. Whether I liked them or not, they were MY President and if someone were plotting to assassinate them I would take any and all actions to stop them. I served under 6 presidents and NO ONE threatens the President. There were more than a few that all of a sudden started almost screaming LIBERAL at me to the point I just walked away. To this day, those close friends are not on my list of friends or even acquaintances. But it was their choice, not mine.

I am a Progressive Conservative ALA Eisenhower and Teddy R. You know, what the GOP was founded on and stayed until about 1980.

"How's it feel to be on the receiving end of things this time."

WHAT??????

 

[PoliticalChic]

I think Fascist is the wrong term, but they are radical. Fascists is per definition right wingers

Except they're not. Not a single trait in Fascists is Right Wing, you've just been tricked by the Liberals.

Im not sure, not every authoritarian or totalitarian government form is fascism though. Fascism per definition has socially conservative ideas, but the government form is totalitarian. There is left-right and authoritarian-libertarian. Fascists are right-authoritarian, while Republicans are Right-Libertarian. Communists are Left-Authoritarian, but there are also anarcho-leftists who are left-libertarian etc.

The further right you move, the less government there is. The fact that you're looking at the definition instead of applying rational thought only shows you're a Liberal at heart. Considering the Republicans are the ones who freed the slaves while the Democrats were the ones fighting them to keep races in bondage while YOU'RE claiming that Republicans or Conservatives are somehow inherently racists and racist policies, like the Jim Crow laws, also put in place by Democrats, are somehow Socially Conservative only goes to show how confused you are. You really should stop asking the Liberal Establishment what you should think, because they may convince you up is down next.

I'll bet our Liberal pal, Morti, has never read Thoreau....

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”

It's too bad that it means a free and enlightened state will never exist. The world is too heavily populated by those that are content to be told what to think rather than applying rational thought. The mentally and physically lazy have become the majority. I only hope that when that lifestyle finally causes enough mass destruction to subvert itself, everyone I care about is dead so they don't have to struggle through the chaos as it takes hold, then transitions. Liberals will continue to lack self awareness until that time comes.

I would have said the same thing up until November 8th.

Now....there is a glimmer of hope.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I think Fascist is the wrong term, but they are radical. Fascists is per definition right wingers

No, they're not. Fascism, socialism, etc. are all collectivist governmental systems and classified as left wing. Individualist (or in its extreme form anarchy) are right wing.

I define right wing by the content of its ideology not by the government form. Fascism is socially conservative, nationalistic, racialist etc. Thats right wing ideas to me. Read also my post about right-left and authoritarian-libertarian. There was a political compass out there, where you can see where you stand.

And that is what the Fabian socialists have been indoctrinating you with for decades. They don't want you to think for yourself. Think about it though. How can fascism ad socialism be different systems when they both advocate maximum government control over the individual? Does that make any sort of sense to you? They have tried to convince you that government types are a circle endlessly chasing one another. But they're not. They are actually quite simple. Anarchy on one extreme, and totalitarian on the other. Individualist vs collectivist.

Do some reading and think for yourself.

You want to dissasociate yourself from fascism, Im not saying Republicans or conservatives are fascists, but fascists have been conservative too, for example religious (aligned with church and having religious ideas), nationalistic etc.

Now, pay attention:

Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life
9. Which restricts free speech and thought?
10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.

Where did you get that. The GOP was founded on Progressive Conservatism.

Now, about Marx. He advocated the disallusion of government. He laid out how to do it. He never advocated the Government doing any violence. He advocated the absence of government. You are mixing up the bastardization that Lenon and Stalin did. They came up with a plan to get communism universally accepted through violent actions and overthrowing disagreeing governments. What you think of as Communism is completely foreign to Marx's teachings. Besides, like true Democracy, true Communism only works in small groups, very small groups. Both are ideal and the oposite ends of the spectrum and neither can exist as a national government.

 

[westwall]

1. If you're not familiar with the term, mufti....'Mufti, or civies/civvies (slang for "civilian attire"), refers to plain or ordinary clothes' is the reason one may not recognize Fascists and Nazis of the following sort ...until they open their mouths....

2. The Fascist element in Liberals can be seen in the way they work, tirelessly, to shut down free speech and free thought.
A particularly poignant case is Liberals no longer allowing grandparents to see/speak to their grandchildren if the grandparent voted for Trump.

3. "Look, I’m no stranger to disagreeing with relatives about politics. And that’s partly why I was so shocked to read this. Sure, some are truly upset now in light of this election’s result (welcome to how some of us felt in 2008 and 2012!), and maybe people will take different actions in the end.

But right now, at least some liberals are considering literally ending ties with relatives—including not letting grandparents see their grandkids!—over a vote for Trump. And that’s not just these two commenters. On a different Jezebel post, commenters discussed unfriending people on Facebook who supported Trump. “ImmortalAgnes” wrote:

'I also deleted everyone who supported Trump from FB. Thankfully, it wasn’t that many people. Unfortunately, it included my step-dad. I don’t think these people don’t get it – I think they don’t care. I think that to take rights from women, from people of color, from the LGBT+ community, from non-Christians is what they want.

I love my step-dad. But I cannot stand by and pretend like he didn’t just proudly support racism and misogyny. I will not be speaking to him. I will not be seeing him." The Shocking Intolerance of Anti-Trump Liberals



4. Get that?
Not debate, explain, clarify, inform....
Simply make certain that differing opinions are not to be heard.
Over and over....it is an integral part of the 'Shameful Six'...
Communists, Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, and Socialist.

More than un-American: dangerous and abhorrent.



5. "Again: What? What are the rights that supposedly Trump is going to take away? We’ve been living in a country where, as The Weekly Standard’s Mark Hemingway tweeted, “Obama did sue nuns over birth control for crying out loud,” where religious bakers and florists have been told they have to participate in same-sex weddings, where an African-American fire chief lost his job over a book he wrote about his religious beliefs that included passages on same-sex marriage, and yet, the real threat to rights is from Trump?"
The Shocking Intolerance of Anti-Trump Liberals

How's it feel to be on the receiving end of things this time. Same thing happened over Obama in 2008 and still continues to this day. While I don't mind someone talking disparingly, I do draw the line in the suggesting that OUR President needs to be Assassinated. And I let them know I didn't care for it. I served under many Presidents in the Military. Whether I liked them or not, they were MY President and if someone were plotting to assassinate them I would take any and all actions to stop them. I served under 6 presidents and NO ONE threatens the President. There were more than a few that all of a sudden started almost screaming LIBERAL at me to the point I just walked away. To this day, those close friends are not on my list of friends or even acquaintances. But it was their choice, not mine.

I am a Progressive Conservative ALA Eisenhower and Teddy R. You know, what the GOP was founded on and stayed until about 1980.

Forty years in the military? Highly doubtful.

Start with Nixon and count forward 5 Presidents. End it when you get to Clinton. Some moderator you are.

OK, Nixon 6 years. Ford 2 years. Carter 4, ronnie raygun 8, bushie the first 4, Clinton 8, which equals 32. Still a unlikely number, especially in the A&P world where you do your 20 and then move on to greener pastures in the private sector. I started my count with Carter giving you the benefit of the doubt for your wrongheaded support of the F-35.

 

[Mortimer]

I think Fascist is the wrong term, but they are radical. Fascists is per definition right wingers

Except they're not. Not a single trait in Fascists is Right Wing, you've just been tricked by the Liberals.

Im not sure, not every authoritarian or totalitarian government form is fascism though. Fascism per definition has socially conservative ideas, but the government form is totalitarian. There is left-right and authoritarian-libertarian. Fascists are right-authoritarian, while Republicans are Right-Libertarian. Communists are Left-Authoritarian, but there are also anarcho-leftists who are left-libertarian etc.

The further right you move, the less government there is. The fact that you're looking at the definition instead of applying rational thought only shows you're a Liberal at heart. Considering the Republicans are the ones who freed the slaves while the Democrats were the ones fighting them to keep races in bondage while YOU'RE claiming that Republicans or Conservatives are somehow inherently racists and racist policies, like the Jim Crow laws, also put in place by Democrats, are somehow Socially Conservative only goes to show how confused you are. You really should stop asking the Liberal Establishment what you should think, because they may convince you up is down next.

Im not radical liberal Im moderate, Im neither right nor left, I would describe myself as politically unaffialiated free thinker, Im just applying mainstream definitions.

Au contraire....

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.


Your thought processes have been bought and paid for by the Left.


Can I guess?
Government school grad?

You say that "liberals are fascists" which you mean radical and intolerant of political opponnents but now you are the same, you attack me and put a label on me which I said Im not. Im not even "liberal". For you if Im not right wing or conservative enough you will dismiss me.

 

[PoliticalChic]

No, they're not. Fascism, socialism, etc. are all collectivist governmental systems and classified as left wing. Individualist (or in its extreme form anarchy) are right wing.

I define right wing by the content of its ideology not by the government form. Fascism is socially conservative, nationalistic, racialist etc. Thats right wing ideas to me. Read also my post about right-left and authoritarian-libertarian. There was a political compass out there, where you can see where you stand.

And that is what the Fabian socialists have been indoctrinating you with for decades. They don't want you to think for yourself. Think about it though. How can fascism ad socialism be different systems when they both advocate maximum government control over the individual? Does that make any sort of sense to you? They have tried to convince you that government types are a circle endlessly chasing one another. But they're not. They are actually quite simple. Anarchy on one extreme, and totalitarian on the other. Individualist vs collectivist.

Do some reading and think for yourself.

You want to dissasociate yourself from fascism, Im not saying Republicans or conservatives are fascists, but fascists have been conservative too, for example religious (aligned with church and having religious ideas), nationalistic etc.

Now, pay attention:

Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life
9. Which restricts free speech and thought?
10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.

Where did you get that. The GOP was founded on Progressive Conservatism.

Now, about Marx. He advocated the disallusion of government. He laid out how to do it. He never advocated the Government doing any violence. He advocated the absence of government. You are mixing up the bastardization that Lenon and Stalin did. They came up with a plan to get communism universally accepted through violent actions and overthrowing disagreeing governments. What you think of as Communism is completely foreign to Marx's teachings. Besides, like true Democracy, true Communism only works in small groups, very small groups. Both are ideal and the oposite ends of the spectrum and neither can exist as a national government.

Sometimes you run into a fool of your caliber....and it's best to simply roll one's eyes, pat 'em on the head, and move on.

 

[Mortimer]

I define right wing by the content of its ideology not by the government form. Fascism is socially conservative, nationalistic, racialist etc. Thats right wing ideas to me. Read also my post about right-left and authoritarian-libertarian. There was a political compass out there, where you can see where you stand.

And that is what the Fabian socialists have been indoctrinating you with for decades. They don't want you to think for yourself. Think about it though. How can fascism ad socialism be different systems when they both advocate maximum government control over the individual? Does that make any sort of sense to you? They have tried to convince you that government types are a circle endlessly chasing one another. But they're not. They are actually quite simple. Anarchy on one extreme, and totalitarian on the other. Individualist vs collectivist.

Do some reading and think for yourself.

You want to dissasociate yourself from fascism, Im not saying Republicans or conservatives are fascists, but fascists have been conservative too, for example religious (aligned with church and having religious ideas), nationalistic etc.

Now, pay attention:

Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life
9. Which restricts free speech and thought?
10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.

Where did you get that. The GOP was founded on Progressive Conservatism.

Now, about Marx. He advocated the disallusion of government. He laid out how to do it. He never advocated the Government doing any violence. He advocated the absence of government. You are mixing up the bastardization that Lenon and Stalin did. They came up with a plan to get communism universally accepted through violent actions and overthrowing disagreeing governments. What you think of as Communism is completely foreign to Marx's teachings. Besides, like true Democracy, true Communism only works in small groups, very small groups. Both are ideal and the oposite ends of the spectrum and neither can exist as a national government.

Sometimes you run into a fool of your caliber....and it's best to simply roll one's eyes, pat 'em on the head, and move on.

I just corrected you that they are not fascists, but they are intolerant of political opponnents yes. Well its still much better then in real fascism. Do you consider Hitler a "liberal"? I dont think the right wing side is any more tolerant of political opponnents.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Except they're not. Not a single trait in Fascists is Right Wing, you've just been tricked by the Liberals.

Im not sure, not every authoritarian or totalitarian government form is fascism though. Fascism per definition has socially conservative ideas, but the government form is totalitarian. There is left-right and authoritarian-libertarian. Fascists are right-authoritarian, while Republicans are Right-Libertarian. Communists are Left-Authoritarian, but there are also anarcho-leftists who are left-libertarian etc.

The further right you move, the less government there is. The fact that you're looking at the definition instead of applying rational thought only shows you're a Liberal at heart. Considering the Republicans are the ones who freed the slaves while the Democrats were the ones fighting them to keep races in bondage while YOU'RE claiming that Republicans or Conservatives are somehow inherently racists and racist policies, like the Jim Crow laws, also put in place by Democrats, are somehow Socially Conservative only goes to show how confused you are. You really should stop asking the Liberal Establishment what you should think, because they may convince you up is down next.

Im not radical liberal Im moderate, Im neither right nor left, I would describe myself as politically unaffialiated free thinker, Im just applying mainstream definitions.

Au contraire....

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.


Your thought processes have been bought and paid for by the Left.


Can I guess?
Government school grad?

You say that "liberals are fascists" which you mean radical and intolerant of political opponnents but now you are the same, you attack me and put a label on me which I said Im not. Im not even "liberal". For you if Im not right wing or conservative enough you will dismiss me.

You're not a quick study, are you.

OK....a second chance, you know....like summer school:
In a letter written on March 19, 1944, Ayn Rand remarked:
“Fascism, Nazism, Communism and Socialism are only superficial variations of the same monstrous theme—collectivism.” Rand would later expand on this insight in various articles, most notably in two of her lectures at the Ford Hall Forum in Boston: “The Fascist New Frontier” (Dec. 16, 1962, published as a booklet by the Nathaniel Branden Institute in 1963); and “The New Fascism: Rule by Consensus” (April 18, 1965, published as Chapter 20 in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal [CUI] by New American Library in 1967).

As Rand put it in “Conservativism: An Obituary” (CUI, Chapter 19):
The world conflict of today is the conflict of the individual against the state, the same conflict that has been fought throughout mankind’s history. The names change, but the essence—and the results—remain the same, whether it is the individual against feudalism, or against absolute monarchy, or against communism or fascism or Nazism or socialism or the welfare state.


Modern Liberalism....the Democrat Party, specifically, stands for the very same doctrines and principles of the Communist Party,USA.



Pop quiz time:

Liberalism and Progressivism: based on the rights of the individual or of the collective?

Hint:
a. "...the State 'has the supreme right against the individual, whose supreme duty is to be a member of the State... for the right of the world spirit is above all special privileges.'" Author/historian William Shirer, quoting Georg Hegel in his The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1959, page 144)

b. The attitude of the FDR government can be seen in these words of A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor: “[A]ll of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.”
From a speech delivered on the Senate floor
May 14, 1943 Happy Chandler’s dangerous statism

 

[ErikViking]

What political ideology is immune to misuse? It doesn't matter what it's called, as soon as the ideology needs to be protected to survive it is counterproductive to its initial ambition.

We need to be constantly aware of this, not blindly support a label no matter how society changes.

In practice most, if not all, ideologies seems to be on a scale from here to there, from time to time.

Problem of the day: totally polarised climate of discussion. Not being able to discuss or listen. That's not an ideology.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And that is what the Fabian socialists have been indoctrinating you with for decades. They don't want you to think for yourself. Think about it though. How can fascism ad socialism be different systems when they both advocate maximum government control over the individual? Does that make any sort of sense to you? They have tried to convince you that government types are a circle endlessly chasing one another. But they're not. They are actually quite simple. Anarchy on one extreme, and totalitarian on the other. Individualist vs collectivist.

Do some reading and think for yourself.

You want to dissasociate yourself from fascism, Im not saying Republicans or conservatives are fascists, but fascists have been conservative too, for example religious (aligned with church and having religious ideas), nationalistic etc.

Now, pay attention:

Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life
9. Which restricts free speech and thought?
10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.

Where did you get that. The GOP was founded on Progressive Conservatism.

Now, about Marx. He advocated the disallusion of government. He laid out how to do it. He never advocated the Government doing any violence. He advocated the absence of government. You are mixing up the bastardization that Lenon and Stalin did. They came up with a plan to get communism universally accepted through violent actions and overthrowing disagreeing governments. What you think of as Communism is completely foreign to Marx's teachings. Besides, like true Democracy, true Communism only works in small groups, very small groups. Both are ideal and the oposite ends of the spectrum and neither can exist as a national government.

Sometimes you run into a fool of your caliber....and it's best to simply roll one's eyes, pat 'em on the head, and move on.

I just corrected you that they are not fascists, but they are intolerant of political opponnents yes. Well its still much better then in real fascism. Do you consider Hitler a "liberal"? I dont think the right wing side is any more tolerant of political opponnents.

"I just corrected you ...."

Now, Morti.....the concept you are suggesting ....correcting me....is so absurd, it is akin to 'correcting' the Mona Lisa by drawing a mustache on the subject.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What political ideology is immune to misuse? It doesn't matter what it's called, as soon as the ideology needs to be protected to survive it is counterproductive to its initial ambition.

We need to be constantly aware of this, not blindly support a label no matter how society changes.

In practice most, if not all, ideologies seems to be on a scale from here to there, from time to time.

Problem of the day: totally polarised climate of discussion. Not being able to discuss or listen. That's not an ideology.

Fence sitters get splinters.

"There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road but Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos"

 

[emilynghiem]

I think Fascist is the wrong term, but they are radical. Fascists is per definition right wingers

Except they're not. Not a single trait in Fascists is Right Wing, you've just been tricked by the Liberals.

Im not sure, not every authoritarian or totalitarian government form is fascism though. Fascism per definition has socially conservative ideas, but the government form is totalitarian. There is left-right and authoritarian-libertarian. Fascists are right-authoritarian, while Republicans are Right-Libertarian. Communists are Left-Authoritarian, but there are also anarcho-leftists who are left-libertarian etc.

Dear Pumpkin Row and Mortimer
I'd have to disagree with PR. Saying Rightwing cannot be fascist
is like saying Blacks cannot be racist and only whites have power and privilege to discirminate against minority races.

Militant Zionists who preach armageddon to bring on the Kingdom of God
are an example of rightwing extremism, similar to Jihadist terrorists.
Look up post-millenial dispensationalists as one rightwing religious cult like this.

There are even Buddhists who have turned their affiliation political and even resorted to violence. ANY group ideology can be twisted to turn extreme, or abused
to impose authoritarian or fascist dictatorship by one party over another,
even if it contradicts the original message of that group!

Pumpkin Row the same way Muslims will say
the "Jihadists" are not real Muslims, you can say
these political fighters are NOT practicing real Buddhism,
so if that's what you mean by the real rightwing not being
compatible with fascism, you would be right, that if you really
believe in limited power of govt and anti-statism then rightwing
would all be for liberty and justice by consent of the governed
and not support anything fascist that is abuse of power.

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. Here is another plain-clothes Nazis.....
And true to form for the Left, he accuses the Right of doing exactly what is proud of doing.




@:43 "...Trump voters...not just wrong....but bad people..."
@:59 "...ignorant of what their vote actually means...."

@1:15 "...why wouldn't you do business with people who are wrong.....?"
@ 1:43 "...anyone who supports Trump are not welcome to do business in my company..."

@1:52 "...but...in the name of tolerance you're being intolerant...."
@2:08 "....I'm not tolerant of bigotry, I'm not tolerant of Fascism, I'm not tolerant of sexism..."
@4:00 "....would you do business with Nazi party members?"

 

[Daryl Hunt]

1. If you're not familiar with the term, mufti....'Mufti, or civies/civvies (slang for "civilian attire"), refers to plain or ordinary clothes' is the reason one may not recognize Fascists and Nazis of the following sort ...until they open their mouths....

2. The Fascist element in Liberals can be seen in the way they work, tirelessly, to shut down free speech and free thought.
A particularly poignant case is Liberals no longer allowing grandparents to see/speak to their grandchildren if the grandparent voted for Trump.

3. "Look, I’m no stranger to disagreeing with relatives about politics. And that’s partly why I was so shocked to read this. Sure, some are truly upset now in light of this election’s result (welcome to how some of us felt in 2008 and 2012!), and maybe people will take different actions in the end.

But right now, at least some liberals are considering literally ending ties with relatives—including not letting grandparents see their grandkids!—over a vote for Trump. And that’s not just these two commenters. On a different Jezebel post, commenters discussed unfriending people on Facebook who supported Trump. “ImmortalAgnes” wrote:

'I also deleted everyone who supported Trump from FB. Thankfully, it wasn’t that many people. Unfortunately, it included my step-dad. I don’t think these people don’t get it – I think they don’t care. I think that to take rights from women, from people of color, from the LGBT+ community, from non-Christians is what they want.

I love my step-dad. But I cannot stand by and pretend like he didn’t just proudly support racism and misogyny. I will not be speaking to him. I will not be seeing him." The Shocking Intolerance of Anti-Trump Liberals



4. Get that?
Not debate, explain, clarify, inform....
Simply make certain that differing opinions are not to be heard.
Over and over....it is an integral part of the 'Shameful Six'...
Communists, Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, and Socialist.

More than un-American: dangerous and abhorrent.



5. "Again: What? What are the rights that supposedly Trump is going to take away? We’ve been living in a country where, as The Weekly Standard’s Mark Hemingway tweeted, “Obama did sue nuns over birth control for crying out loud,” where religious bakers and florists have been told they have to participate in same-sex weddings, where an African-American fire chief lost his job over a book he wrote about his religious beliefs that included passages on same-sex marriage, and yet, the real threat to rights is from Trump?"
The Shocking Intolerance of Anti-Trump Liberals

How's it feel to be on the receiving end of things this time. Same thing happened over Obama in 2008 and still continues to this day. While I don't mind someone talking disparingly, I do draw the line in the suggesting that OUR President needs to be Assassinated. And I let them know I didn't care for it. I served under many Presidents in the Military. Whether I liked them or not, they were MY President and if someone were plotting to assassinate them I would take any and all actions to stop them. I served under 6 presidents and NO ONE threatens the President. There were more than a few that all of a sudden started almost screaming LIBERAL at me to the point I just walked away. To this day, those close friends are not on my list of friends or even acquaintances. But it was their choice, not mine.

I am a Progressive Conservative ALA Eisenhower and Teddy R. You know, what the GOP was founded on and stayed until about 1980.

Forty years in the military? Highly doubtful.

Start with Nixon and count forward 5 Presidents. End it when you get to Clinton. Some moderator you are.

OK, Nixon 6 years. Ford 2 years. Carter 4, ronnie raygun 8, bushie the first 4, Clinton 8, which equals 32. Still a unlikely number, especially in the A&P world where you do your 20 and then move on to greener pastures in the private sector. I started my count with Carter giving you the benefit of the doubt for your wrongheaded support of the F-35.

I started under Nixon. in 1969. I ended with Bush SR in 1990.

Nixon
Ford
Carter
Reagan
Bush SR

You are just harrassing now and not making any sense. And all bets are off.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I define right wing by the content of its ideology not by the government form. Fascism is socially conservative, nationalistic, racialist etc. Thats right wing ideas to me. Read also my post about right-left and authoritarian-libertarian. There was a political compass out there, where you can see where you stand.

And that is what the Fabian socialists have been indoctrinating you with for decades. They don't want you to think for yourself. Think about it though. How can fascism ad socialism be different systems when they both advocate maximum government control over the individual? Does that make any sort of sense to you? They have tried to convince you that government types are a circle endlessly chasing one another. But they're not. They are actually quite simple. Anarchy on one extreme, and totalitarian on the other. Individualist vs collectivist.

Do some reading and think for yourself.

You want to dissasociate yourself from fascism, Im not saying Republicans or conservatives are fascists, but fascists have been conservative too, for example religious (aligned with church and having religious ideas), nationalistic etc.

Now, pay attention:

Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life
9. Which restricts free speech and thought?
10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.

Where did you get that. The GOP was founded on Progressive Conservatism.

Now, about Marx. He advocated the disallusion of government. He laid out how to do it. He never advocated the Government doing any violence. He advocated the absence of government. You are mixing up the bastardization that Lenon and Stalin did. They came up with a plan to get communism universally accepted through violent actions and overthrowing disagreeing governments. What you think of as Communism is completely foreign to Marx's teachings. Besides, like true Democracy, true Communism only works in small groups, very small groups. Both are ideal and the oposite ends of the spectrum and neither can exist as a national government.

Sometimes you run into a fool of your caliber....and it's best to simply roll one's eyes, pat 'em on the head, and move on.

Your definitions are made up by both radical sides to try and make themselves less evil.

Our Founding Fathers knew that a Democratic Government was just a pipe dream. This is why they chose a Republic. What happens to most of us when only the Majority rules? While many believe it would be a good thing, in practice, it leads to Genocide or worse. And who decides which group will get the favors?

There are only a handful of towns ran as Communists today. They are called Koisks and are in Israel. They barter for everything. No workee no foodee. But that is about the largest that can exist and still be a workable system.

Your whole idea doesn't take into account what works and doesn't work. You can call Sweden a socialist country but it's not. It's a Republic leaning towards Socialism. But a true socialist government can't exist for a Country anymore than a true Democracy can be sustainable either.

 

[ErikViking]

What political ideology is immune to misuse? It doesn't matter what it's called, as soon as the ideology needs to be protected to survive it is counterproductive to its initial ambition.

We need to be constantly aware of this, not blindly support a label no matter how society changes.

In practice most, if not all, ideologies seems to be on a scale from here to there, from time to time.

Problem of the day: totally polarised climate of discussion. Not being able to discuss or listen. That's not an ideology.

Fence sitters get splinters.

"There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road but Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos"

So, half of the population shouldn't take interest in the needs and thoughts of the other half? Polarity is good?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Except they're not. Not a single trait in Fascists is Right Wing, you've just been tricked by the Liberals.

Im not sure, not every authoritarian or totalitarian government form is fascism though. Fascism per definition has socially conservative ideas, but the government form is totalitarian. There is left-right and authoritarian-libertarian. Fascists are right-authoritarian, while Republicans are Right-Libertarian. Communists are Left-Authoritarian, but there are also anarcho-leftists who are left-libertarian etc.

The further right you move, the less government there is. The fact that you're looking at the definition instead of applying rational thought only shows you're a Liberal at heart. Considering the Republicans are the ones who freed the slaves while the Democrats were the ones fighting them to keep races in bondage while YOU'RE claiming that Republicans or Conservatives are somehow inherently racists and racist policies, like the Jim Crow laws, also put in place by Democrats, are somehow Socially Conservative only goes to show how confused you are. You really should stop asking the Liberal Establishment what you should think, because they may convince you up is down next.

Im not radical liberal Im moderate, Im neither right nor left, I would describe myself as politically unaffialiated free thinker, Im just applying mainstream definitions.

Au contraire....

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.


Your thought processes have been bought and paid for by the Left.


Can I guess?
Government school grad?

You say that "liberals are fascists" which you mean radical and intolerant of political opponnents but now you are the same, you attack me and put a label on me which I said Im not. Im not even "liberal". For you if Im not right wing or conservative enough you will dismiss me.

You are wasting your time mate. They have a whole industry built up around this nonsense because the more civilised among them recoil from any idea that their views come with swastikas.Its dumb America at its finest.