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Here are your Nazis in mufti.
I think Fascist is the wrong term, but they are radical. Fascists is per definition right wingers
You couldn't be more wrong.
You could try to be...but you wouldn't be successful.
For your education:
In a letter written on March 19, 1944, Ayn Rand remarked:
“Fascism, Nazism, Communism and Socialism are only superficial variations of the same monstrous theme—collectivism.” Rand would later expand on this insight in various articles, most notably in two of her lectures at the Ford Hall Forum in Boston: “The Fascist New Frontier” (Dec. 16, 1962, published as a booklet by the Nathaniel Branden Institute in 1963); and “The New Fascism: Rule by Consensus” (April 18, 1965, published as Chapter 20 in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal [CUI] by New American Library in 1967).
As Rand put it in “Conservativism: An Obituary” (CUI, Chapter 19):
The world conflict of today is the conflict of the individual against the state, the same conflict that has been fought throughout mankind’s history. The names change, but the essence—and the results—remain the same, whether it is the individual against feudalism, or against absolute monarchy, or against communism or fascism or Nazism or socialism or the welfare state.
Modern Liberalism....the Democrat Party, specifically, stands for the very same doctrines and principles of the Communist Party,USA.
Don't make that mistake again.
One (but not the only) definition of fascism is "an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization." In that context, it is just a word and its meaning. The reality is not all RWers are fascists and many on the left exhibit some tendencies of fascism.
I find the more extreme the ideological slant - left or right - the more fascism is involved.
I think Fascist is the wrong term, but they are radical. Fascists is per definition right wingers
I think Fascist is the wrong term, but they are radical. Fascists is per definition right wingers
I guess it depends on what you call "right wing".
The term liberal comes from "liber" which means freedom, therefore, the classical use of the term liberal refers to opposing the authoritarian nature of the state which gave rise to such events as the US and French Revolutions.
However, the term liberal has been changed over time to include equality. This type of thinking stresses the need for an authoritarian state to implement equality throughout society. This means Big Brother is needed in every facet of society to ensure that everything is fair and even. It is a never ending quest in a losing battle for equality. No matter how big and authoritarian government becomes, they can never achieve their goals, which means there will always be those advocating for more and more government.
Nothing can illustrate my point better than this famous C. S. Lewis quote,
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
In effect, you now have two opposing root meanings for the word liberal, one that opposes authoritarianism and one that embraces it.
Which are you?
I think Fascist is the wrong term, but they are radical. Fascists is per definition right wingers
You couldn't be more wrong.
You could try to be...but you wouldn't be successful.
For your education:
In a letter written on March 19, 1944, Ayn Rand remarked:
“Fascism, Nazism, Communism and Socialism are only superficial variations of the same monstrous theme—collectivism.” Rand would later expand on this insight in various articles, most notably in two of her lectures at the Ford Hall Forum in Boston: “The Fascist New Frontier” (Dec. 16, 1962, published as a booklet by the Nathaniel Branden Institute in 1963); and “The New Fascism: Rule by Consensus” (April 18, 1965, published as Chapter 20 in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal [CUI] by New American Library in 1967).
As Rand put it in “Conservativism: An Obituary” (CUI, Chapter 19):
The world conflict of today is the conflict of the individual against the state, the same conflict that has been fought throughout mankind’s history. The names change, but the essence—and the results—remain the same, whether it is the individual against feudalism, or against absolute monarchy, or against communism or fascism or Nazism or socialism or the welfare state.
Modern Liberalism....the Democrat Party, specifically, stands for the very same doctrines and principles of the Communist Party,USA.
Don't make that mistake again.
One (but not the only) definition of fascism is "an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization." In that context, it is just a word and its meaning. The reality is not all RWers are fascists and many on the left exhibit some tendencies of fascism.
I find the more extreme the ideological slant - left or right - the more fascism is involved.
I think Fascist is the wrong term, but they are radical. Fascists is per definition right wingers
I guess it depends on what you call "right wing".
The term liberal comes from "liber" which means freedom, therefore, the classical use of the term liberal refers to opposing the authoritarian nature of the state which gave rise to such events as the US and French Revolutions.
However, the term liberal has been changed over time to include equality. This type of thinking stresses the need for an authoritarian state to implement equality throughout society. This means Big Brother is needed in every facet of society to ensure that everything is fair and even. It is a never ending quest in a losing battle for equality. No matter how big and authoritarian government becomes, they can never achieve their goals, which means there will always be those advocating for more and more government.
Nothing can illustrate my point better than this famous C. S. Lewis quote,
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
In effect, you now have two opposing root meanings for the word liberal, one that opposes authoritarianism and one that embraces it.
Which are you?
"How's it feel to be on the receiving end of things this time." WHAT??????How's it feel to be on the receiving end of things this time. Same thing happened over Obama in 2008 and still continues to this day. While I don't mind someone talking disparingly, I do draw the line in the suggesting that OUR President needs to be Assassinated... I am a Progressive Conservative ALA Eisenhower and Teddy R. You know, what the GOP was founded on and stayed until about 1980.
I get Hunt's point. The venom spewed at Trump by loony, hair-on-fire leftists is similar to that spewed at Obama. Hunt says our presidents are his presidents and the vehement reactions of loons both left and right is inappropriate.
You've been duped by that Randian dogma as distorted and used today as cover, Cynthia/Chica, and linked it with the Mises/Coulter propaganda you hold dear to prove you are a true red blooded American CONservative type. Your reference to Rand's ESSAY, "Conservatism, an Obituary" of a single paragraph does not reflect the flavor of Rand's intent at all, and was selectively chosen by you simply to fit your faulty narrative.I think Fascist is the wrong term, but they are radical. Fascists is per definition right wingers
You couldn't be more wrong.
You could try to be...but you wouldn't be successful.
For your education:
In a letter written on March 19, 1944, Ayn Rand remarked:
“Fascism, Nazism, Communism and Socialism are only superficial variations of the same monstrous theme—collectivism.” Rand would later expand on this insight in various articles, most notably in two of her lectures at the Ford Hall Forum in Boston: “The Fascist New Frontier” (Dec. 16, 1962, published as a booklet by the Nathaniel Branden Institute in 1963); and “The New Fascism: Rule by Consensus” (April 18, 1965, published as Chapter 20 in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal [CUI] by New American Library in 1967).
As Rand put it in “Conservativism: An Obituary” (CUI, Chapter 19):
The world conflict of today is the conflict of the individual against the state, the same conflict that has been fought throughout mankind’s history. The names change, but the essence—and the results—remain the same, whether it is the individual against feudalism, or against absolute monarchy, or against communism or fascism or Nazism or socialism or the welfare state.
Modern Liberalism....the Democrat Party, specifically, stands for the very same doctrines and principles of the Communist Party,USA.
Don't make that mistake again.
OP=Everyone that doesn't agree with me is a NAZI! Its just as stupid coming from righties as it is from lefties.
ORION-Our Race Is Our Nation. I believe in Racial Socialism. Everything that benefits our race is good anything that doesn't benefit our race is bad. I am not a libertardian,so no the individual doesn't come first. If someone is married or has kids you can't put yourself first either. Your wife/husband and kids come first....society has fallen apart thanks people only caring about themselves communities used to work together and stand together and take care of one another. Not anymore. This only caring about myself shit is a disease that needs to be eradicated from society.OP=Everyone that doesn't agree with me is a NAZI! Its just as stupid coming from righties as it is from lefties.
Are you a Nazi?
Here's the test: is it the rights of the individual we should honor, or are you simply a cog in the the ever grinding wheel of the collective.
Or....to put it another way, is this your credo:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky
Speak up you dunce.
ORION-Our Race Is Our Nation. I believe in Racial Socialism. Everything that benefits our race is good anything that doesn't benefit our race is bad. I am not a libertardian,so no the individual doesn't come first. If someone is married or has kids you can't put yourself first either. Your wife/husband and kids come first....society has fallen apart thanks people only caring about themselves communities used to work together and stand together and take care of one another. Not anymore. This only caring about myself shit is a disease that needs to be eradicated from society.OP=Everyone that doesn't agree with me is a NAZI! Its just as stupid coming from righties as it is from lefties.
Are you a Nazi?
Here's the test: is it the rights of the individual we should honor, or are you simply a cog in the the ever grinding wheel of the collective.
Or....to put it another way, is this your credo:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky
Speak up you dunce.
Everyone I don't like is a NAZI I am gonna go eat worms...waaaaaaaaa. That's you cupcake. I don't believe in NATIONAL Socialism I believe in RACIAL Socialism. I would explain the difference but idiots such as yourself don't know,don't care,don't want to know the difference....you are JUST like the clowns on the left crying over people you don't agree with. Its hilarious because you are taken about as serious as they are! Which is NONE!ORION-Our Race Is Our Nation. I believe in Racial Socialism. Everything that benefits our race is good anything that doesn't benefit our race is bad. I am not a libertardian,so no the individual doesn't come first. If someone is married or has kids you can't put yourself first either. Your wife/husband and kids come first....society has fallen apart thanks people only caring about themselves communities used to work together and stand together and take care of one another. Not anymore. This only caring about myself shit is a disease that needs to be eradicated from society.OP=Everyone that doesn't agree with me is a NAZI! Its just as stupid coming from righties as it is from lefties.
Are you a Nazi?
Here's the test: is it the rights of the individual we should honor, or are you simply a cog in the the ever grinding wheel of the collective.
Or....to put it another way, is this your credo:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky
Speak up you dunce.
"...no the individual doesn't come first."
Stop complaining when I call you a Nazi.
You are.
You've been duped by that Randian dogma as distorted and used today as cover, Cynthia/Chica, and linked it with the Mises/Coulter propaganda you hold dear to prove you are a true red blooded American CONservative type. Your reference to Rand's ESSAY, "Conservatism, an Obituary" of a single paragraph does not reflect the flavor of Rand's intent at all, and was selectively chosen by you simply to fit your faulty narrative.I think Fascist is the wrong term, but they are radical. Fascists is per definition right wingers
You couldn't be more wrong.
You could try to be...but you wouldn't be successful.
For your education:
In a letter written on March 19, 1944, Ayn Rand remarked:
“Fascism, Nazism, Communism and Socialism are only superficial variations of the same monstrous theme—collectivism.” Rand would later expand on this insight in various articles, most notably in two of her lectures at the Ford Hall Forum in Boston: “The Fascist New Frontier” (Dec. 16, 1962, published as a booklet by the Nathaniel Branden Institute in 1963); and “The New Fascism: Rule by Consensus” (April 18, 1965, published as Chapter 20 in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal [CUI] by New American Library in 1967).
As Rand put it in “Conservativism: An Obituary” (CUI, Chapter 19):
The world conflict of today is the conflict of the individual against the state, the same conflict that has been fought throughout mankind’s history. The names change, but the essence—and the results—remain the same, whether it is the individual against feudalism, or against absolute monarchy, or against communism or fascism or Nazism or socialism or the welfare state.
Modern Liberalism....the Democrat Party, specifically, stands for the very same doctrines and principles of the Communist Party,USA.
Don't make that mistake again.
Here is the clearer intent Rand was trying to convey which matches the title of the ESSAY,"Conservatism, an Obituary" (delivered at Princeton, 1960):
"The first choice - and the only one that matters - is: freedom or dictatorship, capitalism or statism.
That is the choice which today's political leaders are determined to evade. The "liberals" are trying to put statism
over by stealth - statism of a semi-socialist kind - without letting the country realize what road they are taking
to what ultimate goal. And while such policy is reprehensible, there is something more reprehensible still:
the policy the "conservatives," who are trying to defend "'Freedom'" by stealth!"
~~ Conservatism: An Obituary ~~ {Emphasis Added}
In 1956, Ms. Rand wrote a runaway best selling masterpiece titled Atlas Shrugged that caught the imagination of millions of Americans. As a young man, I read it in the early'60's and admit to being profoundly influenced by it. A renowned conservative of Rand's latter decades and lone time foe of Rand, William F. Buckley, wrote a review of Atlas Shrugged at the time in his National Review. Buckley excoriated Atlas Shrugged and Rand, as did other "conservatives" such as Whittaker Chambers who also VERY unfavorably critiqued Rand's book and its author in the National Review article titled "Big Sister Is Watching You".
"Objectivism takes its name from its commitment to objectivity. Tradition can never come first to such a world view: the facts and what works are the bottom line. Objectivism rejects “God” as an incoherent concept and rejects any idea of the supernatural , putting it at odds with traditional religions on these issues. And Rand offered a this-worldly, self-centered morality of living by reason and trade, one that makes pride a cardinal virtue. Her ethics thus stands against ideas of religious duty and self-sacrifice that many conservatives prize.
In “Conservatism, An Obituary,” Rand charged that the underlying philosophical values of the conservatives vitiated their attempts to promote market capitalism.
If the “conservatives” do not stand for capitalism, they stand for and are nothing: they have no goal, no direction, no political principles, no social ideals, no intellectual values, no leadership to offer anyone.
Yet capitalism is what the “conservatives” dare not advocate or defend. They are paralyzed by the profound conflict between capitalism and the moral code which dominates our culture: the morality of altruism. (Capitalism: the Unknown Ideal, p. 195 paperback)
There is much that is right in American tradition. America does stand for liberty and individual freedom in its basic ideas. America is the country of the self-made man. There is much that is right about conservatism, too: its ethic of personal responsibility, for instance, and its respect for the Constitution. But these values can only be defended on the basis of reason and the facts. We can accept no substitute. Ayn Rand was right about that. And that’s why she wasn’t really right-wing. ~~ Myths About Ayn Rand | Ayn Rand, Objectivism, and Individualism | The Atlas Society ~~
In other words, Cynthia/Chica, Every time you cite Ayn Rand, or the Mises Institute cites Ayn Rand, or Ann Coulter cites Ayn Rand as a paragon of Conservatism, all three of you don't know what you're talking about and are just rewriting history to fit your COLLECTIVE'S narrative and spreading your brand of propaganda.
Rand wasn't right wing because she preached capitalism and rejected altruism. Rand wasn't left wing because she preached capitalism and rejected altruism. Rand was an Objectivist, not a Bible thumping hypocritical "conservative". I SHIT on your propaganda and rewrite of history, Cynthia/Chica!
Everyone I don't like is a NAZI I am gonna go eat worms...waaaaaaaaa. That's you cupcake. I don't believe in NATIONAL Socialism I believe in RACIAL Socialism. I would explain the difference but idiots such as yourself don't know,don't care,don't want to know the difference....you are JUST like the clowns on the left crying over people you don't agree with. Its hilarious because you are taken about as serious as they are! Which is NONE!ORION-Our Race Is Our Nation. I believe in Racial Socialism. Everything that benefits our race is good anything that doesn't benefit our race is bad. I am not a libertardian,so no the individual doesn't come first. If someone is married or has kids you can't put yourself first either. Your wife/husband and kids come first....society has fallen apart thanks people only caring about themselves communities used to work together and stand together and take care of one another. Not anymore. This only caring about myself shit is a disease that needs to be eradicated from society.OP=Everyone that doesn't agree with me is a NAZI! Its just as stupid coming from righties as it is from lefties.
Are you a Nazi?
Here's the test: is it the rights of the individual we should honor, or are you simply a cog in the the ever grinding wheel of the collective.
Or....to put it another way, is this your credo:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky
Speak up you dunce.
"...no the individual doesn't come first."
Stop complaining when I call you a Nazi.
You are.
Everyone I don't like is a NAZI I am gonna go eat worms...waaaaaaaaa. That's you cupcake. I don't believe in NATIONAL Socialism I believe in RACIAL Socialism. I would explain the difference but idiots such as yourself don't know,don't care,don't want to know the difference....you are JUST like the clowns on the left crying over people you don't agree with. Its hilarious because you are taken about as serious as they are! Which is NONE!ORION-Our Race Is Our Nation. I believe in Racial Socialism. Everything that benefits our race is good anything that doesn't benefit our race is bad. I am not a libertardian,so no the individual doesn't come first. If someone is married or has kids you can't put yourself first either. Your wife/husband and kids come first....society has fallen apart thanks people only caring about themselves communities used to work together and stand together and take care of one another. Not anymore. This only caring about myself shit is a disease that needs to be eradicated from society.OP=Everyone that doesn't agree with me is a NAZI! Its just as stupid coming from righties as it is from lefties.
Are you a Nazi?
Here's the test: is it the rights of the individual we should honor, or are you simply a cog in the the ever grinding wheel of the collective.
Or....to put it another way, is this your credo:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky
Speak up you dunce.
"...no the individual doesn't come first."
Stop complaining when I call you a Nazi.
You are.
No, you simpleton.....
As you and I just proved....you have the making of a fine brown shirt.
Click those heels for me.
Keep proving you have NO CLUE about political ideology child...I enjoy watching you make a fool of yourself...keep crying no one likes me everyone hates me and they are all NAZIS! LMAOEveryone I don't like is a NAZI I am gonna go eat worms...waaaaaaaaa. That's you cupcake. I don't believe in NATIONAL Socialism I believe in RACIAL Socialism. I would explain the difference but idiots such as yourself don't know,don't care,don't want to know the difference....you are JUST like the clowns on the left crying over people you don't agree with. Its hilarious because you are taken about as serious as they are! Which is NONE!ORION-Our Race Is Our Nation. I believe in Racial Socialism. Everything that benefits our race is good anything that doesn't benefit our race is bad. I am not a libertardian,so no the individual doesn't come first. If someone is married or has kids you can't put yourself first either. Your wife/husband and kids come first....society has fallen apart thanks people only caring about themselves communities used to work together and stand together and take care of one another. Not anymore. This only caring about myself shit is a disease that needs to be eradicated from society.OP=Everyone that doesn't agree with me is a NAZI! Its just as stupid coming from righties as it is from lefties.
Are you a Nazi?
Here's the test: is it the rights of the individual we should honor, or are you simply a cog in the the ever grinding wheel of the collective.
Or....to put it another way, is this your credo:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky
Speak up you dunce.
"...no the individual doesn't come first."
Stop complaining when I call you a Nazi.
You are.
No, you simpleton.....
As you and I just proved....you have the making of a fine brown shirt.
Click those heels for me.
Oh yay you found a fellow idiot to have a circle jerk with! YAY!Everyone I don't like is a NAZI I am gonna go eat worms...waaaaaaaaa. That's you cupcake. I don't believe in NATIONAL Socialism I believe in RACIAL Socialism. I would explain the difference but idiots such as yourself don't know,don't care,don't want to know the difference....you are JUST like the clowns on the left crying over people you don't agree with. Its hilarious because you are taken about as serious as they are! Which is NONE!ORION-Our Race Is Our Nation. I believe in Racial Socialism. Everything that benefits our race is good anything that doesn't benefit our race is bad. I am not a libertardian,so no the individual doesn't come first. If someone is married or has kids you can't put yourself first either. Your wife/husband and kids come first....society has fallen apart thanks people only caring about themselves communities used to work together and stand together and take care of one another. Not anymore. This only caring about myself shit is a disease that needs to be eradicated from society.Are you a Nazi?
Here's the test: is it the rights of the individual we should honor, or are you simply a cog in the the ever grinding wheel of the collective.
Or....to put it another way, is this your credo:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky
Speak up you dunce.
"...no the individual doesn't come first."
Stop complaining when I call you a Nazi.
You are.
No, you simpleton.....
As you and I just proved....you have the making of a fine brown shirt.
Click those heels for me.
all socialists have brown shirts in their closet.......
You don't know shit, you ignorant fuck! Objectivism rejects all altruism, religious or otherwise! Your rationalization is not only off topic but notes your lack of knowledgeable understanding of the salient points within the distinction made by others I cited above, fool!You've been duped by that Randian dogma as distorted and used today as cover, Cynthia/Chica, and linked it with the Mises/Coulter propaganda you hold dear to prove you are a true red blooded American CONservative type. Your reference to Rand's ESSAY, "Conservatism, an Obituary" of a single paragraph does not reflect the flavor of Rand's intent at all, and was selectively chosen by you simply to fit your faulty narrative.I think Fascist is the wrong term, but they are radical. Fascists is per definition right wingers
You couldn't be more wrong.
You could try to be...but you wouldn't be successful.
For your education:
In a letter written on March 19, 1944, Ayn Rand remarked:
“Fascism, Nazism, Communism and Socialism are only superficial variations of the same monstrous theme—collectivism.” Rand would later expand on this insight in various articles, most notably in two of her lectures at the Ford Hall Forum in Boston: “The Fascist New Frontier” (Dec. 16, 1962, published as a booklet by the Nathaniel Branden Institute in 1963); and “The New Fascism: Rule by Consensus” (April 18, 1965, published as Chapter 20 in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal [CUI] by New American Library in 1967).
As Rand put it in “Conservativism: An Obituary” (CUI, Chapter 19):
The world conflict of today is the conflict of the individual against the state, the same conflict that has been fought throughout mankind’s history. The names change, but the essence—and the results—remain the same, whether it is the individual against feudalism, or against absolute monarchy, or against communism or fascism or Nazism or socialism or the welfare state.
Modern Liberalism....the Democrat Party, specifically, stands for the very same doctrines and principles of the Communist Party,USA.
Don't make that mistake again.
Here is the clearer intent Rand was trying to convey which matches the title of the ESSAY,"Conservatism, an Obituary" (delivered at Princeton, 1960):
"The first choice - and the only one that matters - is: freedom or dictatorship, capitalism or statism.
That is the choice which today's political leaders are determined to evade. The "liberals" are trying to put statism
over by stealth - statism of a semi-socialist kind - without letting the country realize what road they are taking
to what ultimate goal. And while such policy is reprehensible, there is something more reprehensible still:
the policy the "conservatives," who are trying to defend "'Freedom'" by stealth!"
~~ Conservatism: An Obituary ~~ {Emphasis Added}
In 1956, Ms. Rand wrote a runaway best selling masterpiece titled Atlas Shrugged that caught the imagination of millions of Americans. As a young man, I read it in the early'60's and admit to being profoundly influenced by it. A renowned conservative of Rand's latter decades and lone time foe of Rand, William F. Buckley, wrote a review of Atlas Shrugged at the time in his National Review. Buckley excoriated Atlas Shrugged and Rand, as did other "conservatives" such as Whittaker Chambers who also VERY unfavorably critiqued Rand's book and its author in the National Review article titled "Big Sister Is Watching You".
"Objectivism takes its name from its commitment to objectivity. Tradition can never come first to such a world view: the facts and what works are the bottom line. Objectivism rejects “God” as an incoherent concept and rejects any idea of the supernatural , putting it at odds with traditional religions on these issues. And Rand offered a this-worldly, self-centered morality of living by reason and trade, one that makes pride a cardinal virtue. Her ethics thus stands against ideas of religious duty and self-sacrifice that many conservatives prize.
In “Conservatism, An Obituary,” Rand charged that the underlying philosophical values of the conservatives vitiated their attempts to promote market capitalism.
If the “conservatives” do not stand for capitalism, they stand for and are nothing: they have no goal, no direction, no political principles, no social ideals, no intellectual values, no leadership to offer anyone.
Yet capitalism is what the “conservatives” dare not advocate or defend. They are paralyzed by the profound conflict between capitalism and the moral code which dominates our culture: the morality of altruism. (Capitalism: the Unknown Ideal, p. 195 paperback)
There is much that is right in American tradition. America does stand for liberty and individual freedom in its basic ideas. America is the country of the self-made man. There is much that is right about conservatism, too: its ethic of personal responsibility, for instance, and its respect for the Constitution. But these values can only be defended on the basis of reason and the facts. We can accept no substitute. Ayn Rand was right about that. And that’s why she wasn’t really right-wing. ~~ Myths About Ayn Rand | Ayn Rand, Objectivism, and Individualism | The Atlas Society ~~
In other words, Cynthia/Chica, Every time you cite Ayn Rand, or the Mises Institute cites Ayn Rand, or Ann Coulter cites Ayn Rand as a paragon of Conservatism, all three of you don't know what you're talking about and are just rewriting history to fit your COLLECTIVE'S narrative and spreading your brand of propaganda.
Rand wasn't right wing because she preached capitalism and rejected altruism. Rand wasn't left wing because she preached capitalism and rejected altruism. Rand was an Objectivist, not a Bible thumping hypocritical "conservative". I SHIT on your propaganda and rewrite of history, Cynthia/Chica!
Yes....Rand was an atheist...they were not....that was the problem between the two....Rand got the collectivist part right, but she missed the truth about religion...failing to see beyond the organized part of the western religions and conflating them with the collectivism of the socialists.....
You don't know shit, you ignorant fuck! Objectivism rejects all altruism, religious or otherwise! Your rationalization is not only off topic but notes your lack of knowledgeable understanding of the salient points within the distinction made by others I cited above, fool!You've been duped by that Randian dogma as distorted and used today as cover, Cynthia/Chica, and linked it with the Mises/Coulter propaganda you hold dear to prove you are a true red blooded American CONservative type. Your reference to Rand's ESSAY, "Conservatism, an Obituary" of a single paragraph does not reflect the flavor of Rand's intent at all, and was selectively chosen by you simply to fit your faulty narrative.I think Fascist is the wrong term, but they are radical. Fascists is per definition right wingers
You couldn't be more wrong.
You could try to be...but you wouldn't be successful.
For your education:
In a letter written on March 19, 1944, Ayn Rand remarked:
“Fascism, Nazism, Communism and Socialism are only superficial variations of the same monstrous theme—collectivism.” Rand would later expand on this insight in various articles, most notably in two of her lectures at the Ford Hall Forum in Boston: “The Fascist New Frontier” (Dec. 16, 1962, published as a booklet by the Nathaniel Branden Institute in 1963); and “The New Fascism: Rule by Consensus” (April 18, 1965, published as Chapter 20 in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal [CUI] by New American Library in 1967).
As Rand put it in “Conservativism: An Obituary” (CUI, Chapter 19):
The world conflict of today is the conflict of the individual against the state, the same conflict that has been fought throughout mankind’s history. The names change, but the essence—and the results—remain the same, whether it is the individual against feudalism, or against absolute monarchy, or against communism or fascism or Nazism or socialism or the welfare state.
Modern Liberalism....the Democrat Party, specifically, stands for the very same doctrines and principles of the Communist Party,USA.
Don't make that mistake again.
Here is the clearer intent Rand was trying to convey which matches the title of the ESSAY,"Conservatism, an Obituary" (delivered at Princeton, 1960):
"The first choice - and the only one that matters - is: freedom or dictatorship, capitalism or statism.
That is the choice which today's political leaders are determined to evade. The "liberals" are trying to put statism
over by stealth - statism of a semi-socialist kind - without letting the country realize what road they are taking
to what ultimate goal. And while such policy is reprehensible, there is something more reprehensible still:
the policy the "conservatives," who are trying to defend "'Freedom'" by stealth!"
~~ Conservatism: An Obituary ~~ {Emphasis Added}
In 1956, Ms. Rand wrote a runaway best selling masterpiece titled Atlas Shrugged that caught the imagination of millions of Americans. As a young man, I read it in the early'60's and admit to being profoundly influenced by it. A renowned conservative of Rand's latter decades and lone time foe of Rand, William F. Buckley, wrote a review of Atlas Shrugged at the time in his National Review. Buckley excoriated Atlas Shrugged and Rand, as did other "conservatives" such as Whittaker Chambers who also VERY unfavorably critiqued Rand's book and its author in the National Review article titled "Big Sister Is Watching You".
"Objectivism takes its name from its commitment to objectivity. Tradition can never come first to such a world view: the facts and what works are the bottom line. Objectivism rejects “God” as an incoherent concept and rejects any idea of the supernatural , putting it at odds with traditional religions on these issues. And Rand offered a this-worldly, self-centered morality of living by reason and trade, one that makes pride a cardinal virtue. Her ethics thus stands against ideas of religious duty and self-sacrifice that many conservatives prize.
In “Conservatism, An Obituary,” Rand charged that the underlying philosophical values of the conservatives vitiated their attempts to promote market capitalism.
If the “conservatives” do not stand for capitalism, they stand for and are nothing: they have no goal, no direction, no political principles, no social ideals, no intellectual values, no leadership to offer anyone.
Yet capitalism is what the “conservatives” dare not advocate or defend. They are paralyzed by the profound conflict between capitalism and the moral code which dominates our culture: the morality of altruism. (Capitalism: the Unknown Ideal, p. 195 paperback)
There is much that is right in American tradition. America does stand for liberty and individual freedom in its basic ideas. America is the country of the self-made man. There is much that is right about conservatism, too: its ethic of personal responsibility, for instance, and its respect for the Constitution. But these values can only be defended on the basis of reason and the facts. We can accept no substitute. Ayn Rand was right about that. And that’s why she wasn’t really right-wing. ~~ Myths About Ayn Rand | Ayn Rand, Objectivism, and Individualism | The Atlas Society ~~
In other words, Cynthia/Chica, Every time you cite Ayn Rand, or the Mises Institute cites Ayn Rand, or Ann Coulter cites Ayn Rand as a paragon of Conservatism, all three of you don't know what you're talking about and are just rewriting history to fit your COLLECTIVE'S narrative and spreading your brand of propaganda.
Rand wasn't right wing because she preached capitalism and rejected altruism. Rand wasn't left wing because she preached capitalism and rejected altruism. Rand was an Objectivist, not a Bible thumping hypocritical "conservative". I SHIT on your propaganda and rewrite of history, Cynthia/Chica!
Yes....Rand was an atheist...they were not....that was the problem between the two....Rand got the collectivist part right, but she missed the truth about religion...failing to see beyond the organized part of the western religions and conflating them with the collectivism of the socialists.....
