American Jews and liberalism

[beowolfe]

Well, this is my first real post here and I thought I'd start off with something that's been on my mind lately. First, I am not really Jewish, but close. All of my mother's family going way back are Jewish but I was not raised as such. While I was snipped (!), no bar mitzvah, not really a Jew. Secondly, I am a decidedly limited government kind of guy. I'm a strong believer in that government which governs best governs least. Call it Libertarianism if you like, I reject big government from Conservatives and Liberals alike.

What's on my mind is why so many Jewish Americans lean so heavily Left. Why do they seem to always vote Democrat? This question bugs me not just because of President Obama's recent comments about Israel's borders. The Democratic party and American Liberals in general seem to me to be the most fervent opposition to all things Israeli. For that reason alone, I don't understand why Jews give them undying support.

Perhaps more importantly are the lessons apparently not learned from Nazi Germany. My great, great grandmother escaped Southern Germany before the Nazi's came to power, but for those that didn't, they experienced the worst kind tyrannous government. Whether you call the Nazi's National Socialists or Fascists, they certainly represented a top-down style of governance. Given the results of that big government experiment, I'm continually flabbergasted by American Jews support of ever bigger government. You'd think Jews today would be the most staunch limited government supporters out there but just the opposite is true.

So, any Jews that can enlighten me as to why the community supports big government and the Liberal Democrats that seem to despise Israel?

Being Jewish is a question of how you were raised? And here I was thinking it was a question of biology.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

So, any Jews that can enlighten me as to why the community supports big government and the Liberal Democrats that seem to despise Israel?

jews fought for civil rights for blacks. we find the southern strategy an offense.
jews are pro-choice. (if they weren't, their wives would kill them).
jews know that the more moderate society, the better for jews since jews don't do well in extreme societies... right or left.
jews have been subject to discrimination and vote against policies that smack of discrimination and racism...
jews believe in education...
jews believe in taking care of the poor and sick.

not exactly a big leap.

the only reason any jew is a neocon is israel...

My God... you are a bigger ignoramus as each day passes.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Well, this is my first real post here and I thought I'd start off with something that's been on my mind lately. First, I am not really Jewish, but close. All of my mother's family going way back are Jewish but I was not raised as such. While I was snipped (!), no bar mitzvah, not really a Jew. Secondly, I am a decidedly limited government kind of guy. I'm a strong believer in that government which governs best governs least. Call it Libertarianism if you like, I reject big government from Conservatives and Liberals alike.

What's on my mind is why so many Jewish Americans lean so heavily Left. Why do they seem to always vote Democrat? This question bugs me not just because of President Obama's recent comments about Israel's borders. The Democratic party and American Liberals in general seem to me to be the most fervent opposition to all things Israeli. For that reason alone, I don't understand why Jews give them undying support.

Perhaps more importantly are the lessons apparently not learned from Nazi Germany. My great, great grandmother escaped Southern Germany before the Nazi's came to power, but for those that didn't, they experienced the worst kind tyrannous government. Whether you call the Nazi's National Socialists or Fascists, they certainly represented a top-down style of governance. Given the results of that big government experiment, I'm continually flabbergasted by American Jews support of ever bigger government. You'd think Jews today would be the most staunch limited government supporters out there but just the opposite is true.

So, any Jews that can enlighten me as to why the community supports big government and the Liberal Democrats that seem to despise Israel?

Being Jewish is a question of how you were raised? And here I was thinking it was a question of biology.

Tim Whatley became a Jew, but he did it for the jokes!

"And this offends you as a Jewish person?" "No, it offends me as a comedian."

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Today's Liberal American Jews are Uncle Toms. They continue to support a political party controlled by hateful Anti-Semitic Leftists who side with the Palestinians at every turn. Liberal American Jews should be ashamed of themselves. They're helping in throwing Israel under the bus.

 

[jillian]

That is not the only definition. Under Jewish law you are considered a Jew if your mother is Jewish. I have no idea what the Nazi definition was, but if it agrees with the Jewish one that means that they accepted the Jewish definition since it has been around a lot longer.

By the way, if your mother is Jewish and you want to emigrate to Israel they will let you in automatically, but if your father was they will not. Since you are all invested in insisting that your definition is right and mine is wrong you should write to Israel and tell them they are a bunch of Nazis.

The Neuremberg Laws defined who was a Jew based on consanguinity...

The Race Laws were comprised of two separate laws: The Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honor and The Reich Citizenship Law.

One of the most important aspects of these laws was the establishment of a legal definition for Jew. The Laws also outlined different levels of Jewish individuals, depending on the number of Jewish grandparents an individual had.

o An individual with three or more Jewish grandparents was classified as a full Jew.

o An individual with two Jewish grandparents was considered a Mischling of the first degree, or half Jew.

Mischlinge of the first degree were broken down into two sub-groups:

1) Individuals who were married to a Jew or had been members in the Jewish community were referred to as Geltungsjuden. These people were treated as full Jews and subject to the same persecution and restrictive laws. They could only marry other Jews or other Geltungsjuden.

2) Individuals with two Jewish grandparents who were baptized into the Protestant or Catholic tradition were known simply as Mischlinge. Under the original Nuremberg Laws, Mischlinge were able to keep their citizenship; however, eventually their rights were taken away and they were treated like the Geltungsjuden.

o Someone with one Jewish grandparent was considered a Mischling of the second degree, or quarter Jew.

These individuals were allowed to keep German citizenship but experienced many handicaps in the workplace. After Hitler issued an order on April 8, 1940, quarter Jews could not recieve promotions in the military (Stoltzfus 71). Also, they could be barred from educational establishments if their attendance would cause a problem for the facility. They were only allowed to marry Germans.

Nuremburg Laws

 

[jillian]

So, any Jews that can enlighten me as to why the community supports big government and the Liberal Democrats that seem to despise Israel?

jews fought for civil rights for blacks. we find the southern strategy an offense.
jews are pro-choice. (if they weren't, their wives would kill them).
jews know that the more moderate society, the better for jews since jews don't do well in extreme societies... right or left.
jews have been subject to discrimination and vote against policies that smack of discrimination and racism...
jews believe in education...
jews believe in taking care of the poor and sick.

not exactly a big leap.

the only reason any jew is a neocon is israel...

My God... you are a bigger ignoramus as each day passes.

you still haven't done those GED classes, huh?

 

[eflatminor]

Using Federal troops against US citizens is specifically prohibited under the Constitution. Try again?

Have you ever read the Constitution?

Ever?

Like..in your life?

Enlighten us please. Point to where in the Constitution the Federal government is allowed to us US troops on US citizens. This is going to be great!

 

[Mr. Peepers]

You know, having a stance that sympathizes more with the Palestinians than with Israel has NOTHING to do with anyone being Jewish - they could be buddhists for all that matters... it is against the disgusting actions of the Israeli government toward the Palestinian people, and the fact that we give them billions in welfare to do it. Israel is a country with a strong army, stable economy and nuclear weapons, for chrissakes! I'd say it can take care of itself and probably should stop stealing & settling land that DOES NOT BELONG TO IT if they really want "peace".

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

You know, having a stance that sympathizes more with the Palestinians than with Israel has NOTHING to do with anyone being Jewish - they could be buddhists for all that matters... it is against the disgusting actions of the Israeli government toward the Palestinian people, and the fact that we give them billions in welfare to do it. Israel is a country with a strong army, stable economy and nuclear weapons, for chrissakes! I'd say it can take care of itself and probably should stop stealing & settling land that DOES NOT BELONG TO IT if they really want "peace".

Wow... how can you be this woefully uninformed?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

jews fought for civil rights for blacks. we find the southern strategy an offense.
jews are pro-choice. (if they weren't, their wives would kill them).
jews know that the more moderate society, the better for jews since jews don't do well in extreme societies... right or left.
jews have been subject to discrimination and vote against policies that smack of discrimination and racism...
jews believe in education...
jews believe in taking care of the poor and sick.

not exactly a big leap.

the only reason any jew is a neocon is israel...

My God... you are a bigger ignoramus as each day passes.

you still haven't done those GED classes, huh?

I know enough to start a sentence with a capitalized letter and that one doesn't "do" classes.

Lighten up you stupid twat.

 

[eflatminor]

You know, having a stance that sympathizes more with the Palestinians than with Israel has NOTHING to do with anyone being Jewish - they could be buddhists for all that matters... it is against the disgusting actions of the Israeli government toward the Palestinian people, and the fact that we give them billions in welfare to do it. Israel is a country with a strong army, stable economy and nuclear weapons, for chrissakes! I'd say it can take care of itself and probably should stop stealing & settling land that DOES NOT BELONG TO IT if they really want "peace".

I stand against ALL foreign aid. That said, your take on the Israeli situation is woefully naive. Just who do you think the land they're on belongs to? You do understand that there has NEVER been a Palestinian state, right? You should read about the history of attacks against Israel before blanketing them as "disgusting". I suspect if you understood the history, you wouldn't sound so ignorant. Of course, you're not going to get that history from the Huffington Post...which brings me back to my original question.

 

[eflatminor]

Well, this is my first real post here and I thought I'd start off with something that's been on my mind lately. First, I am not really Jewish, but close. All of my mother's family going way back are Jewish but I was not raised as such. While I was snipped (!), no bar mitzvah, not really a Jew. Secondly, I am a decidedly limited government kind of guy. I'm a strong believer in that government which governs best governs least. Call it Libertarianism if you like, I reject big government from Conservatives and Liberals alike.

What's on my mind is why so many Jewish Americans lean so heavily Left. Why do they seem to always vote Democrat? This question bugs me not just because of President Obama's recent comments about Israel's borders. The Democratic party and American Liberals in general seem to me to be the most fervent opposition to all things Israeli. For that reason alone, I don't understand why Jews give them undying support.

Perhaps more importantly are the lessons apparently not learned from Nazi Germany. My great, great grandmother escaped Southern Germany before the Nazi's came to power, but for those that didn't, they experienced the worst kind tyrannous government. Whether you call the Nazi's National Socialists or Fascists, they certainly represented a top-down style of governance. Given the results of that big government experiment, I'm continually flabbergasted by American Jews support of ever bigger government. You'd think Jews today would be the most staunch limited government supporters out there but just the opposite is true.

So, any Jews that can enlighten me as to why the community supports big government and the Liberal Democrats that seem to despise Israel?

Thats an excellent question! Not necessary modern day liberalism but socialism, which is no different. I have searched for the answer for quite some time and this video I think explaines it best. It also is noteworthy that the conservative political party in Israel (newly founded during the time of this video) that Freidman advocates for in this video is the current party in power today. But your not going to find a better video in respect to the questions youve raised. It really is a tough subject to tackle for a number of reasons. Please respond back and tell me what you think.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulqBb4JePuQ]YouTube - ‪Capitalism, Socialism, and the Jews‬‏[/ame]

Fascinating, thank you for the link. Freidman gets it, but that's usually the case with him. As he says, Jews have not been able to survive in Socialist countries while they thrive in the US...all the while voting to make America more and more like those countries where they did miserably. Unreal!

 

[GHook93]

Take it from a conservative NON-RELIGIOUS Jew who grew up in a liberal household where my father was a millionaire.

It's come from fear of the Nazis. The Jews believe in the myth that the right wing (Christian Right Wing) is the side the Nazis are on (or where on, despite the fact that the Nazis were socialist and pretty much atheists). They also see the left side as the compassionate side. They believe the propaganda that the libs care about people. They think if there were more liberals/leftist in Nazi Germany there wouldn't be a holocaust (they forget who the real Jew haters of today are - the Left; and ignore the fact that Stalin's USSR was filled with good leftists, ditto with Pol Pot's Cambodia!)

I ask my father,"Pops, at 66 you still make $200-$300K a year. You have millions in the bank, you are very conservative with your money, you made it yourself and you believe that is the way to prosperity and think handouts are counter-productive, so why do you always vote democrat?"

His response always ,"Because I care about people!" It's a load of crap.

 

[jillian]

it's not a myth...

but i don't agree that's why jews are liberals. what could a jew agree with the right about except for support of israel? (ostensibly)

jews shouldn't vote for people who want a theocracy in the US or who think our laws should be based on christian precepts. THAT is dangerous to anyone who relies on the 1st amendment's protections.

 

[GHook93]

the only reason any jew is a neocon is israel...

That is far from the truth. Jews, like me turn conservative, because we work hard and see that the left destroys prosperity. The left is bad for business. The left is for illegal immigration.

Most Jews are like any other American who sees the light to the Democrat machine's economy killing policies!

 

[Sallow]

Using Federal troops against US citizens is specifically prohibited under the Constitution. Try again?

Have you ever read the Constitution?

Ever?

Like..in your life?

Enlighten us please. Point to where in the Constitution the Federal government is allowed to us US troops on US citizens. This is going to be great!

Section 8 - Powers of Congress
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Did you major in stupidity?

 

[Sallow]

Which begs the question?

When conservatives keep braying they want a "Constitutional Government"...have they even read the damn thing?

 

[Jroc]

it's not a myth...

It is a myth, the Nazi's were big tyranical government Socialist.

but i don't agree that's why jews are liberals. what could a jew agree with the right about except for support of israel? (ostensibly)

So Jews are different from every other people in this country? They want differant things? I think not... kind of fits into the interview I posted earlier in this thread

jews shouldn't vote for people who want a theocracy in the US or who think our laws should be based on christian precepts. THAT is dangerous to anyone who relies on the 1st amendment's protections.

Theocracy? What are you talking about? Those are just talking points, you've got to do better than that. Christian values and Jewish values are the same. Judeo-Christian moral values get it? We also have a Constitution here although Liberals like to ignore that fact .

 

[mal]

the only reason any jew is a neocon is israel...

That's Enormously Racist, Jill...



peace...

 

[Sallow]

It is a myth, the Nazi's were big tyranical government Socialist.

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Nazis were tyrannical but they killed socialists. In reality, Nazis were corporatists and theocrats. And while the Nazis maybe gone..the church they supported as well as many of the companies they colluded with..still exist.