American Jews and liberalism

[eflatminor]

Which begs the question. What part of the government do you want to make smaller?

I'm talking at the Federal level. I'm a constitutional conservative, so I don't buy the idea of violating the enumerated powers by abusing the commerce and welfare clauses. Additionally, I stand against most military interventionism. I'm all for a big bad military, just not one that polices the planet through foreign entanglements. Lastly, I support maximum personal freedom. I do not support laws the punish consensual activity between adults.

 

[Political Junky]

Which begs the question. What part of the government do you want to make smaller?

I'm talking at the Federal level. I'm a constitutional conservative, so I don't buy the idea of violating the enumerated powers by abusing the commerce and welfare clauses. Additionally, I stand against most military interventionism. I'm all for a big bad military, just not one that polices the planet through foreign entanglements. Lastly, I support maximum personal freedom. I do not support laws the punish consensual activity between adults.

Please, clarify what you would cut besides military.

 

[Sallow]

Ridiculous.

A small government isn't going to keep people from breaking into a jail and lynching you.

I'm not talking anarchy here! Under a constitutionally limited government, we'd still have law enforcement, jails, courts, etc. In fact, we'd have a vastly more financial resources to support law enforcement. And no matter how 'limiting' I'm talking, breaking into jail to lynch someone is going to be against the law.

You're obviously very young..or naive or both. Lynchings occurred in this country and not all that long ago. And they occurred in places with law and all the trappings of civil society. So really.."the law" isn't going to stop a rampaging mob..federal troops will.

In any case..the Constitution doesn't call for "limited" government..at least not in the way you describe it. The Constitution does call for limiting government power over the indivdual..as in they don't get to torture you, they don't get to hold you without due process and you get to choose who governs you. These are things conservatives can not wait to eliminate, by the way.

But when you open the tap and drink clean water, when you eat the meat without worrying about what disease you might get from it, when you walk the streets at night, unafraid of thugs laying in wait, when you can be assured that should your house catch fire help will arrive soon and when you walk into a hospital with an ailment you can be assured of care..these things are NOT the result of small government.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So, any Jews that can enlighten me as to why the community supports big government and the Liberal Democrats that seem to despise Israel?

jews fought for civil rights for blacks. we find the southern strategy an offense.
jews are pro-choice. (if they weren't, their wives would kill them).
jews know that the more moderate society, the better for jews since jews don't do well in extreme societies... right or left.
jews have been subject to discrimination and vote against policies that smack of discrimination and racism...
jews believe in education...
jews believe in taking care of the poor and sick.

not exactly a big leap.

the only reason any jew is a neocon is israel...

You know the problem with generalities? They always make you look stupid.

There are Jews who are racists, and the Jews that marched for civil rights marched next to Republicans, not Democrats, and I would not tell Michael Medved that he cannot be both pro life and Jewish.

Your biggest problem is you are so conditioned to be a hack that you forget common sense at times.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

If your mother is jewish, so are you.

Religion isn't hereditary.

Being a Jew, however, is. You do know that being a Jew does not mean that you are automatically religious, don't you?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Well, this is my first real post here and I thought I'd start off with something that's been on my mind lately. First, I am not really Jewish, but close. All of my mother's family going way back are Jewish but I was not raised as such. While I was snipped (!), no bar mitzvah, not really a Jew. Secondly, I am a decidedly limited government kind of guy. I'm a strong believer in that government which governs best governs least. Call it Libertarianism if you like, I reject big government from Conservatives and Liberals alike.

What's on my mind is why so many Jewish Americans lean so heavily Left. Why do they seem to always vote Democrat? This question bugs me not just because of President Obama's recent comments about Israel's borders. The Democratic party and American Liberals in general seem to me to be the most fervent opposition to all things Israeli. For that reason alone, I don't understand why Jews give them undying support.

Perhaps more importantly are the lessons apparently not learned from Nazi Germany. My great, great grandmother escaped Southern Germany before the Nazi's came to power, but for those that didn't, they experienced the worst kind tyrannous government. Whether you call the Nazi's National Socialists or Fascists, they certainly represented a top-down style of governance. Given the results of that big government experiment, I'm continually flabbergasted by American Jews support of ever bigger government. You'd think Jews today would be the most staunch limited government supporters out there but just the opposite is true.

So, any Jews that can enlighten me as to why the community supports big government and the Liberal Democrats that seem to despise Israel?

It's big government here that prevents discrimination against Jews. Not small government.

Like the big government that supported the Jim Crow laws?

 

[Sallow]

If your mother is jewish, so are you.

Religion isn't hereditary.

Being a Jew, however, is. You do know that being a Jew does not mean that you are automatically religious, don't you?

You know the problem with generalities? They always make you look stupid

 

[Sallow]

Like the big government that supported the Jim Crow laws?

Jim Crow laws were more a "State Rights Issue".

You know..the smaller government thing?

 

[JBeukema]

If your mother is jewish, so are you.

Religion isn't hereditary.

Being a Jew, however, is. You do know that being a Jew does not mean that you are automatically religious, don't you?

Yes, it does. By defintion.

Jew: an adherent of Judaism

Unless you're trying to ell us you're a Nazi and you accept the Nazi definition of 'Jew'?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Religion isn't hereditary.

Being a Jew, however, is. You do know that being a Jew does not mean that you are automatically religious, don't you?

Yes, it does. By defintion.

Jew: an adherent of Judaism

Unless you're trying to ell us you're a Nazi and you accept the Nazi definition of 'Jew'?

That is not the only definition. Under Jewish law you are considered a Jew if your mother is Jewish. I have no idea what the Nazi definition was, but if it agrees with the Jewish one that means that they accepted the Jewish definition since it has been around a lot longer.

By the way, if your mother is Jewish and you want to emigrate to Israel they will let you in automatically, but if your father was they will not. Since you are all invested in insisting that your definition is right and mine is wrong you should write to Israel and tell them they are a bunch of Nazis.

 

[JBeukema]

you should write to Israel and tell them they are a bunch of Nazis.

It is all but impossible to tell a Zionist and a Nazi apart. Their beliefs are nearly identical.

 

[Sallow]

Being a Jew, however, is. You do know that being a Jew does not mean that you are automatically religious, don't you?

Yes, it does. By defintion.

Jew: an adherent of Judaism

Unless you're trying to ell us you're a Nazi and you accept the Nazi definition of 'Jew'?

That is not the only definition. Under Jewish law you are considered a Jew if your mother is Jewish. I have no idea what the Nazi definition was, but if it agrees with the Jewish one that means that they accepted the Jewish definition since it has been around a lot longer.

By the way, if your mother is Jewish and you want to emigrate to Israel they will let you in automatically, but if your father was they will not. Since you are all invested in insisting that your definition is right and mine is wrong you should write to Israel and tell them they are a bunch of Nazis.

Since when did this country adopt "Jewish Law"?

 

[Jroc]

Being a Jew, however, is. You do know that being a Jew does not mean that you are automatically religious, don't you?

Yes, it does. By defintion.

Jew: an adherent of Judaism

Unless you're trying to ell us you're a Nazi and you accept the Nazi definition of 'Jew'?

That is not the only definition. Under Jewish law you are considered a Jew if your mother is Jewish. I have no idea what the Nazi definition was, but if it agrees with the Jewish one that means that they accepted the Jewish definition since it has been around a lot longer.

By the way, if your mother is Jewish and you want to emigrate to Israel they will let you in automatically, but if your father was they will not. Since you are all invested in insisting that your definition is right and mine is wrong you should write to Israel and tell them they are a bunch of Nazis.

Judaism runs through the mother. You could have a person who's father is 100% Jewish a mother who is only Jewish on her fathers side, and the child would not be Jewish. As far as the Nazi's go they’d kill you if you were 1/4 Jewish didn't matter what side.

 

[eflatminor]

Please, clarify what you would cut besides military.

Any program, agency or regulation that the Federal government is not specifically authorized to oversee.

 

[eflatminor]

"the law" isn't going to stop a rampaging mob..federal troops will

Using Federal troops against US citizens is specifically prohibited under the Constitution. Try again?

 

[Google]

Using Federal troops against US citizens is specifically prohibited under the Constitution. Try again?

What do you think the ATF is? Waco ring a bell? The DEA is 'federal troops', and they have been raiding state sanctioned weed dispensaries, under Bush, in California.

 

[Sallow]

Using Federal troops against US citizens is specifically prohibited under the Constitution. Try again?

Have you ever read the Constitution?

Ever?

Like..in your life?

 

[Sallow]

Yes, it does. By defintion.

Jew: an adherent of Judaism

Unless you're trying to ell us you're a Nazi and you accept the Nazi definition of 'Jew'?

That is not the only definition. Under Jewish law you are considered a Jew if your mother is Jewish. I have no idea what the Nazi definition was, but if it agrees with the Jewish one that means that they accepted the Jewish definition since it has been around a lot longer.

By the way, if your mother is Jewish and you want to emigrate to Israel they will let you in automatically, but if your father was they will not. Since you are all invested in insisting that your definition is right and mine is wrong you should write to Israel and tell them they are a bunch of Nazis.

Judaism runs through the mother. You could have a person who's father is 100% Jewish a mother who is only Jewish on her fathers side, and the child would not be Jewish. As far as the Nazi's go they’d kill you if you were 1/4 Jewish didn't matter what side.

And that..has no bearing on US law.

None.

 

[Jroc]

That is not the only definition. Under Jewish law you are considered a Jew if your mother is Jewish. I have no idea what the Nazi definition was, but if it agrees with the Jewish one that means that they accepted the Jewish definition since it has been around a lot longer.

By the way, if your mother is Jewish and you want to emigrate to Israel they will let you in automatically, but if your father was they will not. Since you are all invested in insisting that your definition is right and mine is wrong you should write to Israel and tell them they are a bunch of Nazis.

Judaism runs through the mother. You could have a person who's father is 100% Jewish a mother who is only Jewish on her fathers side, and the child would not be Jewish. As far as the Nazi's go they’d kill you if you were 1/4 Jewish didn't matter what side.

And that..has no bearing on US law.

None.

I just answered the question on who is a Jew idiot

 

[Publius1787]

Well, this is my first real post here and I thought I'd start off with something that's been on my mind lately. First, I am not really Jewish, but close. All of my mother's family going way back are Jewish but I was not raised as such. While I was snipped (!), no bar mitzvah, not really a Jew. Secondly, I am a decidedly limited government kind of guy. I'm a strong believer in that government which governs best governs least. Call it Libertarianism if you like, I reject big government from Conservatives and Liberals alike.

What's on my mind is why so many Jewish Americans lean so heavily Left. Why do they seem to always vote Democrat? This question bugs me not just because of President Obama's recent comments about Israel's borders. The Democratic party and American Liberals in general seem to me to be the most fervent opposition to all things Israeli. For that reason alone, I don't understand why Jews give them undying support.

Perhaps more importantly are the lessons apparently not learned from Nazi Germany. My great, great grandmother escaped Southern Germany before the Nazi's came to power, but for those that didn't, they experienced the worst kind tyrannous government. Whether you call the Nazi's National Socialists or Fascists, they certainly represented a top-down style of governance. Given the results of that big government experiment, I'm continually flabbergasted by American Jews support of ever bigger government. You'd think Jews today would be the most staunch limited government supporters out there but just the opposite is true.

So, any Jews that can enlighten me as to why the community supports big government and the Liberal Democrats that seem to despise Israel?

Thats an excellent question! Not necessary modern day liberalism but socialism, which is no different. I have searched for the answer for quite some time and this video I think explaines it best. It also is noteworthy that the conservative political party in Israel (newly founded during the time of this video) that Freidman advocates for in this video is the current party in power today. But your not going to find a better video in respect to the questions youve raised. It really is a tough subject to tackle for a number of reasons. Please respond back and tell me what you think.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulqBb4JePuQ]YouTube - ‪Capitalism, Socialism, and the Jews‬‏[/ame]