American Jews and liberalism

[Dr Grump]

It is a myth, the Nazi's were big tyranical government Socialist.

The Nazi's were not socialist....

 

[Jroc]

Nazis were tyrannical but they killed socialists. In reality, Nazis were corporatists and theocrats. And while the Nazis maybe gone..the church they supported as well as many of the companies they colluded with..still exist.

Theocrats?

The reference to Christ notwithstanding, he was not personally a Christian, regarding the Catholicism he was baptized into as an irrational superstition. In fact he admired Islam more than Christianity, and he and his policies were highly respected by many of the Muslims of his day. He and his associates had a special distaste for the Catholic Church and, given a choice, preferred modern liberalized Protestantism, taking the view that the best form of Christianity would be one that forsook the traditional other-worldly focus on personal salvation and accommodated itself to the requirements of a program for social justice to be implemented by the state. They also considered the possibility that Christianity might eventually have to be abandoned altogether in favor of a return to paganism, a worldview many of them saw as more humane and truer to the heritage of their people. For he and his associates believed strongly that a people's ethnic and racial heritage was what mattered most. Some endorsed a kind of cultural relativism according to which what is true or false and right or wrong in some sense depends on one's ethnic worldview, and especially on what best promotes the well-being of one's ethnic group

There is surely no doubt that the man Feser describes sounds very much like a mainstream Leftist by current standards. But who is the man concerned? It is a historically accurate description of Adolf Hitler. Hitler was not only a socialist in his own day but he would even be a mainstream socialist in MOST ways today. Feser does not mention Hitler's antisemitism above, of course, but that too seems once again to have become mainstream among the Western-world Left in the early years of the 21st century

Nazis were Socialist idiot, National Socialist let the business in Germany run their business but the government controlled them through regulation..


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The Nazis have not only imitated the Bolshevist tactics of seizing power. They have copied much more. They have imported from Russia the one-party system and the privileged role of this party and its members in public life; the paramount position of the secret police; the organization of affiliated parties abroad which are employed in fighting their domestic governments and in sabotage and espionage, assisted by public funds and the protection of the diplomatic and consular service; the administrative execution and imprisonment of political adversaries; concentration camps; the punishment inflicted on the families of exiles; the methods of propaganda. They have borrowed from the Marxians even such absurdities as the mode of address, party comrade (Parteigenosse), derived from the Marxian comrade (Genosse), and the use of a military terminology for all items of civil and economic life. The question is not in which respects both systems are alike but in which they differ..."

(For those who are unaware of it, Von Mises was an Austrian Jewish intellectual and a remarkably prescient economist. He got out of Vienna just hours ahead of the Gestapo. He did therefore have both every reason and every opportunity to be a close observer of Nazism. So let us also read a bit of what he said about the Nazi economy

The Nazis did not, as their foreign admirers contend, enforce price control within a market economy. With them price control was only one device within the frame of an all-around system of central planning. In the Nazi economy there was no question of private initiative and free enterprise. All production activities were directed by the Reichswirtschaftsministerium. No enterprise was free to deviate in the conduct of its operations from the orders issued by the government. Price control was only a device in the complex of innumerable decrees and orders regulating the minutest details of every business activity and precisely fixing every individual's tasks on the one hand and his income and standard of living on the other.

What made it difficult for many people to grasp the very nature of the Nazi economic system was the fact that the Nazis did not expropriate the entrepreneurs and capitalists openly and that they did not adopt the principle of income equality which the Bolshevists espoused in the first years of Soviet rule and discarded only later. Yet the Nazis removed the bourgeois completely from control. Those entrepreneurs who were neither Jewish nor suspect of liberal and pacifist leanings retained their positions in the economic structure. But they were virtually merely salaried civil servants bound to comply unconditionally with the orders of their superiors, the bureaucrats of the Reich and the Nazi party

HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST

 

[Sallow]

Nazis were Socialist idiot, National Socialist let the business in Germany run their business but the government controlled them through regulation..

The Nazis were socialists the same way the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a Democratic republic.

Idiot.

And what the Nazis did was tacitly accepted by the Catholic Church under Pius who signed a treaty of sorts with the Nazis. Or did you miss that one too. Hitler was a baptized Roman Catholic and a self described Christain. He references Christainity and Christ multiple times in Mein Kampf. Europe has been trying to purge itself of Jews for quite some time. You see this illustrated by such lovely events as the Spanish Inquistion. And you may want to check out Martin Luther's "The Jews and Their Lies". Hitler sure did. In any case..the conservative form of government known as Fascism..can be thought of as a Nexus between the church, state and private industries.

 

[Dr Grump]

Nazis were Socialist idiot, National Socialist let the business in Germany run their business but the government controlled them through regulation..

The Nazis were socialists the same way the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a Democratic republic.

Idiot.

And what the Nazis did was tacitly accepted by the Catholic Church under Pius who signed a treaty of sorts with the Nazis. Or did you miss that one too. Hitler was a baptized Roman Catholic and a self described Christain. He references Christainity and Christ multiple times in Mein Kampf. Europe has been trying to purge itself of Jews for quite some time. You see this illustrated by such lovely events as the Spanish Inquistion. And you may want to check out Martin Luther's "The Jews and Their Lies". Hitler sure did. In any case..the conservative form of government known as Fascism..can be thought of as a Nexus between the church, state and private industries.

Bingo...

Jroc seems to take things at face value. The Nazis had the word Socialist as part of their anagram, thus they must be socialists. Pppffffffttttt. Does he not remember in the 1920 and 30s there was blood on the streets between the communists/socialists vs the Nazis? They were the two main combatants on the street...

 

[Jroc]

Nazis were Socialist idiot, National Socialist let the business in Germany run their business but the government controlled them through regulation..

The Nazis were socialists the same way the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a Democratic republic.

Idiot.

And what the Nazis did was tacitly accepted by the Catholic Church under Pius who signed a treaty of sorts with the Nazis. Or did you miss that one too. Hitler was a baptized Roman Catholic and a self described Christain. He references Christainity and Christ multiple times in Mein Kampf. Europe has been trying to purge itself of Jews for quite some time. You see this illustrated by such lovely events as the Spanish Inquistion. And you may want to check out Martin Luther's "The Jews and Their Lies". Hitler sure did. In any case..the conservative form of government known as Fascism..can be thought of as a Nexus between the church, state and private industries.

Oh it was the Catholics Martin Luther Spanish inquistion? Jews had been persecuted by Christians for centuries, Hitler might have used that to get the Backing of some Christians but he was no Christian you people are funny And look how far the right wing Christians have come since Martin Luther...I can't stop laughing

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS3SmEj5r9g]YouTube - ‪Christians United for Israel Overview‬‏[/ame]

 

[Sallow]

Nazis were Socialist idiot, National Socialist let the business in Germany run their business but the government controlled them through regulation..

The Nazis were socialists the same way the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a Democratic republic.

Idiot.

And what the Nazis did was tacitly accepted by the Catholic Church under Pius who signed a treaty of sorts with the Nazis. Or did you miss that one too. Hitler was a baptized Roman Catholic and a self described Christain. He references Christainity and Christ multiple times in Mein Kampf. Europe has been trying to purge itself of Jews for quite some time. You see this illustrated by such lovely events as the Spanish Inquistion. And you may want to check out Martin Luther's "The Jews and Their Lies". Hitler sure did. In any case..the conservative form of government known as Fascism..can be thought of as a Nexus between the church, state and private industries.

Oh it was the Catholics Martin Luther Spanish inquistion? Jews had been persecuted by Christians for centuries, Hitler might have used that to get the Backing of some Christians but he was no Christian you people are funny And look how far the right wing Christians have come since Martin Luther...I can't stop laughing

Well Pope John Paul did apologize. That..and the nice little video should make up for centuries of oppression culminating in a final solution.

It's all good.

 

[Political Junky]

Nazis were Socialist idiot, National Socialist let the business in Germany run their business but the government controlled them through regulation..

The Nazis were socialists the same way the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a Democratic republic.

Idiot.

And what the Nazis did was tacitly accepted by the Catholic Church under Pius who signed a treaty of sorts with the Nazis. Or did you miss that one too. Hitler was a baptized Roman Catholic and a self described Christain. He references Christainity and Christ multiple times in Mein Kampf. Europe has been trying to purge itself of Jews for quite some time. You see this illustrated by such lovely events as the Spanish Inquistion. And you may want to check out Martin Luther's "The Jews and Their Lies". Hitler sure did. In any case..the conservative form of government known as Fascism..can be thought of as a Nexus between the church, state and private industries.

Bingo...

Jroc seems to take things at face value. The Nazis had the word Socialist as part of their anagram, thus they must be socialists. Pppffffffttttt. Does he not remember in the 1920 and 30s there was blood on the streets between the communists/socialists vs the Nazis? They were the two main combatants on the street...

Shhhhhh the cons have rewritten history.

 

[Jroc]

The Nazis were socialists the same way the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a Democratic republic.

Idiot.

And what the Nazis did was tacitly accepted by the Catholic Church under Pius who signed a treaty of sorts with the Nazis. Or did you miss that one too. Hitler was a baptized Roman Catholic and a self described Christain. He references Christainity and Christ multiple times in Mein Kampf. Europe has been trying to purge itself of Jews for quite some time. You see this illustrated by such lovely events as the Spanish Inquistion. And you may want to check out Martin Luther's "The Jews and Their Lies". Hitler sure did. In any case..the conservative form of government known as Fascism..can be thought of as a Nexus between the church, state and private industries.

Oh it was the Catholics Martin Luther Spanish inquistion? Jews had been persecuted by Christians for centuries, Hitler might have used that to get the Backing of some Christians but he was no Christian you people are funny And look how far the right wing Christians have come since Martin Luther...I can't stop laughing

Well Pope John Paul did apologize. That..and the nice little video should make up for centuries of oppression culminating in a final solution.

It's all good.

Yeah the pope and Hitler conspired to kill all the Jews I'm no fan of the Catholic Church but there were plenty of priests who were executed for helping Jews and 100s of thousands of Polish Catholics were also slaughtered by Hitler.. more Christians for you

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nadf5mKthEw&feature=related]YouTube - ‪CUFI Sunday - May 15, 2011‬‏[/ame]

 

[Sallow]

The Nazis were socialists the same way the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a Democratic republic.

Idiot.

And what the Nazis did was tacitly accepted by the Catholic Church under Pius who signed a treaty of sorts with the Nazis. Or did you miss that one too. Hitler was a baptized Roman Catholic and a self described Christain. He references Christainity and Christ multiple times in Mein Kampf. Europe has been trying to purge itself of Jews for quite some time. You see this illustrated by such lovely events as the Spanish Inquistion. And you may want to check out Martin Luther's "The Jews and Their Lies". Hitler sure did. In any case..the conservative form of government known as Fascism..can be thought of as a Nexus between the church, state and private industries.

Bingo...

Jroc seems to take things at face value. The Nazis had the word Socialist as part of their anagram, thus they must be socialists. Pppffffffttttt. Does he not remember in the 1920 and 30s there was blood on the streets between the communists/socialists vs the Nazis? They were the two main combatants on the street...

Shhhhhh the cons have rewritten history.

Well yeah. And it was almost immediately done after WWII..the Christian/Catholic propaganda machine went into overdrive to blame everyone and everything else. But it's hard to hide the fact that Hitler was a self-avowed Christian who took it upon himself to rid Germany of an Ancient Christain enemy...the Jews.

 

[Sallow]

Oh it was the Catholics Martin Luther Spanish inquistion? Jews had been persecuted by Christians for centuries, Hitler might have used that to get the Backing of some Christians but he was no Christian you people are funny And look how far the right wing Christians have come since Martin Luther...I can't stop laughing

Well Pope John Paul did apologize. That..and the nice little video should make up for centuries of oppression culminating in a final solution.

It's all good.

Yeah the pope and Hitler conspired to kill all the Jews I'm no fan of the Catholic Church but there were plenty of priests who were executed for helping Jews and 100s of thousands of Polish Catholics were also slaughtered by Hitler.. more Christians for you

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Christians have no trouble killing each other. Generally after proclaiming god is on their side.

Don't get me wrong..that's not unique to Christians..they just seem to be awful good at killing their fellow human beings..

 

[Jroc]

I'm glad Hitler loved the Cathilcs...

Polish Christians and Catholics were actually the first victims of the notorious German death camp. For the first 21 months after it began in 1940, Auschwitz was inhabited almost exclusively by Polish non-Jews. The first ethnic Pole died in June 1940 and the first Jew died in October 1942.

Poland - Hitler's First Target for Annihilation During the Holocaust

 

[Jroc]

Hitler was quite fond of Muslims though...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3pq1KIUZb4&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3pq1KIUZb4&feature=related[/ame]

 

[Sallow]

Yep.

I've also heard that Hitler was part Jewish too.

 

[The Rabbi]

So, any Jews that can enlighten me as to why the community supports big government and the Liberal Democrats that seem to despise Israel?

jews fought for civil rights for blacks. we find the southern strategy an offense.
jews are pro-choice. (if they weren't, their wives would kill them).
jews know that the more moderate society, the better for jews since jews don't do well in extreme societies... right or left.
jews have been subject to discrimination and vote against policies that smack of discrimination and racism...
jews believe in education...
jews believe in taking care of the poor and sick.

not exactly a big leap.

the only reason any jew is a neocon is israel...

Idiot Jews are liberals because they have a collective death wish. They support affirmative action even though it means less qualified blacks are taking places that would otherwise go to their more qualified sons and daughters.
They support gun control even though Jews have been the targets of low lifes and hoodlums for 3000 years.
They support big government even though big governments in Germany, Russia, and the Soviet Union persecuted them mercilessly.
They support high taxes even though they struggle to make a living for their family.
They support the Left even though the Left is filled with anti-semites.
They support repressing religion even though religion is the only thing that makes them Jewish, while secularism results in assimilation and death.

A person is a Jew whose mother is a Jew. This is a simple definition.

 

[The Rabbi]

Have you ever read the Constitution?

Ever?

Like..in your life?

Enlighten us please. Point to where in the Constitution the Federal government is allowed to us US troops on US citizens. This is going to be great!

Section 8 - Powers of Congress
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Did you major in stupidity?

If he did you must have tutored him.
Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[The Rabbi]

It is a myth, the Nazi's were big tyranical government Socialist.

The Nazi's were not socialist....

Nah, had nothing to do with socialism. Right?

 

[Sallow]

Enlighten us please. Point to where in the Constitution the Federal government is allowed to us US troops on US citizens. This is going to be great!

Section 8 - Powers of Congress
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Did you major in stupidity?

If he did you must have tutored him.
Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you major in stupid too?

One has nothing to do with the other.

The federal government can send in troops, constitutionally, to suppress rebellion and insurrection.

 

[Sallow]

It is a myth, the Nazi's were big tyranical government Socialist.

The Nazi's were not socialist....

Nah, had nothing to do with socialism. Right?

Nope

 

[jillian]

So, any Jews that can enlighten me as to why the community supports big government and the Liberal Democrats that seem to despise Israel?

jews fought for civil rights for blacks. we find the southern strategy an offense.
jews are pro-choice. (if they weren't, their wives would kill them).
jews know that the more moderate society, the better for jews since jews don't do well in extreme societies... right or left.
jews have been subject to discrimination and vote against policies that smack of discrimination and racism...
jews believe in education...
jews believe in taking care of the poor and sick.

not exactly a big leap.

the only reason any jew is a neocon is israel...

Idiot Jews are liberals because they have a collective death wish. They support affirmative action even though it means less qualified blacks are taking places that would otherwise go to their more qualified sons and daughters.
They support gun control even though Jews have been the targets of low lifes and hoodlums for 3000 years.
They support big government even though big governments in Germany, Russia, and the Soviet Union persecuted them mercilessly.
They support high taxes even though they struggle to make a living for their family.
They support the Left even though the Left is filled with anti-semites.
They support repressing religion even though religion is the only thing that makes them Jewish, while secularism results in assimilation and death.

A person is a Jew whose mother is a Jew. This is a simple definition.

that's what you gleaned from your years of talmudic "study"?

"To save one person is to save the world".

THAT is why Jews are liberal. And someone making up what he wants to pretend others believe isn't exactly the person who should be answering the question in the o/p. You also might want to go back and study. They may have called their party the national socialists, but they weren't socialist. they were rightwing fascists.

No matter how much you make things up in your head.

Any study of history proves that Jews are only safe in moderate societies. Too far right (Germany) or too far left (Stalin's Russia) results creates violent and unsafe conditions for Jews.

 

[midcan5]

I want to peruse replies but here's a personal take. Full disclosure, our children are Jewish by tradition, but were raised Catholic as those times were tough on people of Jewish descent and my wife's family (grandparents) decided the change.

Jewish people, like Catholics, are educated and I think genuinely educated people see the complexity that life is and thus tend to be tolerant and more left leaning than right. A Rabbi writing about the Holocaust influenced the way I see the world when I was young, and until recently I did not know conservative Jews even existed. My first experience with more conservative Jews were Russian immigrants, they tend to see the world in black and white. They remind me of fundamentalist Christians, even when their religion is not strong.

Jews were left out of American business for fear they would take control, you should know that myth by now. Yes, that conspiratorial nonsense still exists today. It is a strain that runs through the thoughts of those who require simple solutions. Even Obama suffers it for being Black. Paradoxical though it may seem people always see conspiracy or unfair advantage except where it really is. One of the Jewish managers I worked with years ago told me he was only Jew in the corporation. An exaggeration but oddly like Blacks, it contained a morsel of truth. But dislike of people who were different in any way was a powerful motivator in those days. Darn gotta drop.

Anyone ever see or read "Focus?"