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American students are not the dumbest in the world. This not true regardless of how often it is repeated.
The top American students do better than top students in the rest of the world (58 countries), and 25% of the TOP scoring students on the PISA are American students.
The problem with comparing US schools test results to those of other countries is that the US averages two totally different sets of results. There is an enormous gap (the highest of all countries) between US top performers and our bottom performers. As one might expect, when we see a mean, the result is just "average."
As Baiamonte said, it would be "stupid" to attribute all of the blame for the test results of impoverished students attending ghetto schools with limited books, technology and other resources (even soap and toilet paper in Detroit) solely on teachers or their unions when the problem is so complex. These lowest scoring students face inherent social problems and obstacles to success
including gang and crime ridden neighborhoods, lack of English proficiency, lack of parental supervision and involvement,
minimal community value of education, homes and neighborhoods without educational resources, frequent family moves, teen pregnancy, ubiquitous drug use, truancy, and a lack of high achieving role models ALL counter the best efforts of school staff.
ALL counter the best efforts of school staff.
another liberal making excuses for our liberal status quo schools turning out about he dumbest kids in the civilized world.
Good schools merely counter all the things you say counter the best efforts of school staff.
See why we are positive a liberal will be slow??
Edward, I'm sorry to say that I can't agree with your premise. American kids are not the "dumbest kids in the civilized world.
What creates that false impressionis the fact that we allow each and every student to test while other natons only test their top 40%.
too stupid and 100% liberal!!! As if the Ph.d scientists who do the international testing and comparisons don't know to take all known variables into account to get accurate comparisons!!!!!
American students are not the dumbest in the world. This not true regardless of how often it is repeated.
The top American students do better than top students in the rest of the world (58 countries), and 25% of the TOP scoring students on the PISA are American students.
The problem with comparing US schools test results to those of other countries is that the US averages two totally different sets of results. There is an enormous gap (the highest of all countries) between US top performers and our bottom performers. As one might expect, when we see a mean, the result is just "average."
As Baiamonte said, it would be "stupid" to attribute all of the blame for the test results of impoverished students attending ghetto schools with limited books, technology and other resources (even soap and toilet paper in Detroit) solely on teachers or their unions when the problem is so complex. These lowest scoring students face inherent social problems and obstacles to success
including gang and crime ridden neighborhoods, lack of English proficiency, lack of parental supervision and involvement,
minimal community value of education, homes and neighborhoods without educational resources, frequent family moves, teen pregnancy, ubiquitous drug use, truancy, and a lack of high achieving role models ALL counter the best efforts of school staff.
Another reason America's means scores on international tests are lower than those of other countries is that we test all of our students. Most European and Asian schools start dividing their students into two tracks in HS, an academic and a vo- tech track. In many cases, 50% of the students select the vo-tech program, and only the academic students take the tests like PISA.
Frankly, i think American schools should do a much better job in offering a vo-tech track for students who do not want to go to college. For many of our students, an education in general landscaping or restaurant management might be more valuable than college prep coursework.
Edward, I'm sorry to say that I can't agree with your premise. American kids are not the "dumbest kids in the civilized world.
What creates that false impressionis the fact that we allow each and every student to test while other natons only test their top 40%.
too stupid and 100% liberal!!! As if the Ph.d scientists who do the international testing and comparisons don't know to take all known variables into account to get accurate comparisons!!!!!
Can you prove your statement regarding scientists taking known variable into account?
I think the Ph.D scientists just get test scores and present the results with NO accounting for variables like disparities in the testing demographics. Educational researchers and writers do EXPLAIN how certain variables affect the data in journals and books.
You seem to imagine a Ph.D scientist would account for all variables by interviewing each test taking student from each of the countries that participate in the testing. Do you imagine this scientist then adjusts individual or group scores in some way? I guess this scientist considers ALL variables, so he will note whether each student had a good night's sleep before the test, ate a hearty breakfast, and whether or not the student may have had a cold or toothache during the test session.
To be honest some of those were obama supporters.
How many Ph.D scientists does it take to notice the increasing need for college freshmen to take remedial courses, before they move on to the college level stuff?Edward, I'm sorry to say that I can't agree with your premise. American kids are not the "dumbest kids in the civilized world.
What creates that false impressionis the fact that we allow each and every student to test while other natons only test their top 40%.
too stupid and 100% liberal!!! As if the Ph.d scientists who do the international testing and comparisons don't know to take all known variables into account to get accurate comparisons!!!!!
Can you prove your statement regarding scientists taking known variable into account?
I think the Ph.D scientists just get test scores and present the results with NO accounting for variables like disparities in the testing demographics. Educational researchers and writers do EXPLAIN how certain variables affect the data in journals and books.
You seem to imagine a Ph.D scientist would account for all variables by interviewing each test taking student from each of the countries that participate in the testing. Do you imagine this scientist then adjusts individual or group scores in some way? I guess this scientist considers ALL variables, so he will note whether each student had a good night's sleep before the test, ate a hearty breakfast, and whether or not the student may have had a cold or toothache during the test session.
too stupid and 100% liberal!!! As if the Ph.d scientists who do the international testing and comparisons don't know to take all known variables into account to get accurate comparisons!!!!!
Can you prove your statement regarding scientists taking known variable into account?
I think the Ph.D scientists just get test scores and present the results with NO accounting for variables like disparities in the testing demographics. Educational researchers and writers do EXPLAIN how certain variables affect the data in journals and books.
You seem to imagine a Ph.D scientist would account for all variables by
interviewing each test taking student from each of the countries that participate in the testing. Do you imagine this scientist then adjusts individual or group scores in some way? I guess this scientist considers ALL variables, so he will note whether each student had a good night's sleep before the test, ate a hearty breakfast, and whether or not the student may have had a cold or toothache during the test session.
U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan promptly issued a press release calling the results unacceptable, saying that they underscore the urgency of accelerating achievement in secondary school and the need to close large and persistent achievement gaps, and calling particular attention to the fact that the 8th-grade scores in mathematics for U.S. students failed to improve since the previous administration of the TIMSS.
see dear, the man who knows best seems to agree with me and not you and your lying attempts to preseve liberal union schools at the expense of children.
Why not write to him and tell him the tests are wrong and the status quo is
right!!!
See why we are 100% positive a liberal will be slow and lack character?
I dont know if Arne Duncan knows best.
How many Ph.D scientists does it take to notice the increasing need for college freshmen to take remedial courses, before they move on to the college level stuff?too stupid and 100% liberal!!! As if the Ph.d scientists who do the international testing and comparisons don't know to take all known variables into account to get accurate comparisons!!!!!
Can you prove your statement regarding scientists taking known variable into account?
I think the Ph.D scientists just get test scores and present the results with NO accounting for variables like disparities in the testing demographics. Educational researchers and writers do EXPLAIN how certain variables affect the data in journals and books.
You seem to imagine a Ph.D scientist would account for all variables by interviewing each test taking student from each of the countries that participate in the testing. Do you imagine this scientist then adjusts individual or group scores in some way? I guess this scientist considers ALL variables, so he will note whether each student had a good night's sleep before the test, ate a hearty breakfast, and whether or not the student may have had a cold or toothache during the test session.
Yeah....Variables...
I dont know if Arne Duncan knows best.
dear he has an army of scientists working for him and access to any consultants he wants anywhere on earth and nothing to gain and much to lose from a failed liberal school system since he is a liberal himself and probably wants to keep his job and reputation.
Poor U.S. Test Results
Tied To Weak Curriculum
Most of the following was excerpted from a speech by Pascal D. Forgione, Jr., Ph.D. U.S. Commissioner of Education Statistics. As a government researcher, he tries to put the best possible spin on the academic failure of American schools, but this is no sugar-coated report. math scores science scores
The teacher is always right? In 50 years, they went from being America's moral compass to ... well, coast to coast, we're seeing a lot of this:On USMB the other day a fake commencement address by a right wing talking head is praised as the best ever. Since I know many teachers, and the work they do, and the difficulties they face in a society in which only money and sports are worshipped, I took umbrage with such nonsense.
My solution to the buffoon's 'libelous'* speech - I am not sure what word to use when someone who earns their living talking shit all day criticizes people who actually contribute to society - was the old fashioned one, a good punch in the mouth followed by a toss off the stage. How else could you rationally debate a total jackass.
I was raised in a world in which the teacher was in charge in the classroom and the student listened. Today in America every moron, with equally moronic parents, is not only right, but the teachers wrong. And then when asked why our students do so poorly, the teachers are blamed. Imagine if little Joanie studied instead of texting and kicking a ball all evening?
America is becoming stupid because the ideas of fools are taken serious, consider Fox as an example, its listeners know nothing about the world, or consider Rush Limbaugh's nonsense, then there is Coulter, Savage, Beck, Hannity, et al, can anyone think of dumber media personalities? Lots out there. Big money fools support the stupid because the stupid say and write and print what the big money fools want them to say. Consider the revisionist stupidity from Jonah Goldberg? Seriously, are these fools the best the conservatives can bring to the table today?
Liberals today need to call a spade a spade, stupidity is sponsored by the wealthy stupid, and the greedy stupid, and the ideological stupid, stupidity has gone on too long. Every fool gets a Koch, Simmons, Perry, Murdoch et al soapbox when the fool argues against the American values that made this country great, so it time we too call stupid stupid. Unapologetic, I have to say anyone who praises Neal Boortz's fake commencement address is kinda stupid, nah, let's be honest, really stupid.
"Quite possibly, this belief in our own opinion, regardless of the facts, may be what separates us from the nations of the world, what makes us unique in Gods eyes. The average German or Czech, though possibly no less ignorant than his American counterpart, will probably consider the possibility that someone who has spent his life studying something may have an opinion worth considering. Not the American. Although perfectly willing to recognize expertise in basketball, for example, or refrigerator repair, when it comes to the realm of ideas, all folks (and their opinions) are suddenly equal. Thus evolution is a damned lie, global warming a liberal hoax, and Republicans care about people like you." Mark Slouka
* When a right wing talking head condemns a whole group as incompetent, he not makes himself the fool, but his criticism paints a false portrait of a noble profession. Stupid speech is stupid speech and should be labeled stupid.
An estimated 5 million students in United States schools have been assaulted sexually by teachers, according to a congressional report
Edward, I'm sorry to say that I can't agree with your premise. American kids are not the "dumbest kids in the civilized world.
What creates that false impressionis the fact that we allow each and every student to test while other natons only test their top 40%.
too stupid and 100% liberal!!! As if the Ph.d scientists who do the international testing and comparisons don't know to take all known variables into account to get accurate comparisons!!!!!
Feel free to explain how that fact is "taken into account" and then prove it.
The recent increased need for remedial courses for college freshmen is now almost as common knowledge that the sun rises in the east. But, since you asked, here's one source: Report:-Over-a-third-of-students-entering-college - Chicago Sun-TimesHow many Ph.D scientists does it take to notice the increasing need for college freshmen to take remedial courses, before they move on to the college level stuff?
Yeah....Variables...
The increasing need (which, although lacks supporting evidence, I'll agree with) for college freshman to take remedial classes is not necessarily a function of poor preparation. It could also be because in the past, every ding-dong that thought they should go to college was not given a government low-interest loan.
America is becoming stupid because the ideas of fools are taken serious,
Taken seriously,
The word Serious is an adjective.
When modifying the verb "are taken," seriously is an adverb.
America is becoming stupid because the ideas of fools are taken serious,
Taken seriously,
The word Serious is an adjective.
When modifying the verb "are taken," seriously is an adverb.
When your mind is so limited that it cannot address the issue, a grammatical error becomes the refuge of the trivial person. My meaning was clear, now explain Sarah's since you are a follower of the stupid.
The recent increased need for remedial courses for college freshmen is now almost as common knowledge that the sun rises in the east. But, since you asked, here's one source:How many Ph.D scientists does it take to notice the increasing need for college freshmen to take remedial courses, before they move on to the college level stuff?
Yeah....Variables...
The increasing need (which, although lacks supporting evidence, I'll agree with) for college freshman to take remedial classes is not necessarily a function of poor preparation. It could also be because in the past, every ding-dong that thought they should go to college was not given a government low-interest loan.
Report:-Over-a-third-of-students-entering-college - Chicago Sun-Times
That every ding-dong who can get a loan is being admitted to college speaks more to the people taking the money than those spending it.
Can you prove your statement regarding scientists taking known variable into account?
I dont know if Arne Duncan(Sec of Education) knows best.