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I'm baffled by people who seem to think the men who wrote and adopted our constitution had some sort of ESP, and could see the future.
Do you truly think Jefferson sat around contemplating freedom of speech vs. child porn on the internet?
The difference between 1850 and today is that today congress has a much more diverse group of bona fide citizens to answer to than the mostly white, mostly Christian electorate if the 1800's.
If We, The People had a vote, YES or NO, on whether or not we should become a 'Christian' nation, how would YOU vote?
Why is there such a battle to separate the birth of America from the Principles upon which she was born?
Is there such a fear of good and right that people cannot function with them around?
Does truth, good morals, and goodness somehow interfere with the new American way?
Why can we not allow the words of our founding fathers to be told?
What is so bad about good?
I am not talking about religion. I am not talking about Christianity. I am not even talking about the Bible totally. I am talking about clean and moral principles. I believe all of the good things that this nation stood for in her birth can be found in the Bible, indeed, I believe they are Biblical principles. However, many people are hindered in their lifestyles by good and moral principles, no matter where they came from.
I believe it is about selfishness, greed and pleasures, no matter the cost. I believe America is driven by these three things, and whatever apposes them is wrong.
Jefferson did say that the Bible is the cornerstone of our liberty. Oh, that is not a quote, it is a paraphrase. Patrick Henry believed America was founded on the Gospel of Christ. Jefferson did believe that it is the God of creation is the one who makes us equal. Jefferson said, Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.
The preambles to most of the States in America have a direct comment about our connection to God. It is the people who our government is to represent, and not to control. The representatives are supposed to be listening to the people.
John Adams, and John Hancock said that there is no Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus.
John Adams said,
The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God. He also said that Independence say was a day of deliverance brought on by genuine acts of devotion to God almighty.
I believe Christians need to get back to the basics, and move back into that close relationship with Almighty God where they were when America began. (II Chronicles 7:14)
The Constitution cannot possibly stand if our country is given over to immorality and the evilness that she is facing right now. Just as the Bible says that the law was written for the righteous people, because it will protect them, John Adams said, Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
Government is not secular or religious, government is a servant to the people. The people of America when she was born were a religious people, given to the principles of the Scriptures. Government has no business interfering with what the people want. Currently the government seems to not understand that.
Yes, all religions are free in America, as it should be. None will be the chosen religion in America. None can demand anything of the other. Secular living is also a freedom in America. We must do well to hold high standards, and clearly our founders knew that the Principles of the Bible were the greatest measure of high standards. Fools may try to point out some events in the Bible that seem to be immoral, but the overriding principles in the Bible are clear, and no man can be without excuse.
America needs to return to the founders understanding of what sustains a strong nation. That would be a pure devotion to the God who created us.
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-Thomas Jefferson
I'm baffled by people who seem to think the men who wrote and adopted our constitution had some sort of ESP, and could see the future.
Do you truly think Jefferson sat around contemplating freedom of speech vs. child porn on the internet?
Absolutely not. However, I do think he was concerned about the morality of what should be free and not free. There were buffers set in the Constitution for change in societies, but they were not meant to allow "everything" anyone could conceive of to be OK.
We're a nation divided against itself and I think this time it's best if we went our own separate ways: The United States and the Progressives States.
You sure you want to give up both coasts there Red-State man?
We're a nation divided against itself and I think this time it's best if we went our own separate ways: The United States and the Progressives States.
You sure you want to give up both coasts there Red-State man?
No, I was giving the Progressives Canada and Mexico
Why is there such a battle to separate the birth of America from the Principles upon which she was born?
Is there such a fear of good and right that people cannot function with them around?
Does truth, good morals, and goodness somehow interfere with the new American way?
Why can we not allow the words of our founding fathers to be told?
What is so bad about good?
I am not talking about religion. I am not talking about Christianity. I am not even talking about the Bible totally. I am talking about clean and moral principles. I believe all of the good things that this nation stood for in her birth can be found in the Bible, indeed, I believe they are Biblical principles. However, many people are hindered in their lifestyles by good and moral principles, no matter where they came from.
I believe it is about selfishness, greed and pleasures, no matter the cost. I believe America is driven by these three things, and whatever apposes them is wrong.
Jefferson did say that the Bible is the cornerstone of our liberty. Oh, that is not a quote, it is a paraphrase. Patrick Henry believed America was founded on the Gospel of Christ. Jefferson did believe that it is the God of creation is the one who makes us equal. Jefferson said, Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.
The preambles to most of the States in America have a direct comment about our connection to God. It is the people who our government is to represent, and not to control. The representatives are supposed to be listening to the people.
John Adams, and John Hancock said that there is no Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus.
John Adams said,
The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God. He also said that Independence say was a day of deliverance brought on by genuine acts of devotion to God almighty.
I believe Christians need to get back to the basics, and move back into that close relationship with Almighty God where they were when America began. (II Chronicles 7:14)
The Constitution cannot possibly stand if our country is given over to immorality and the evilness that she is facing right now. Just as the Bible says that the law was written for the righteous people, because it will protect them, John Adams said, Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
Government is not secular or religious, government is a servant to the people. The people of America when she was born were a religious people, given to the principles of the Scriptures. Government has no business interfering with what the people want. Currently the government seems to not understand that.
Yes, all religions are free in America, as it should be. None will be the chosen religion in America. None can demand anything of the other. Secular living is also a freedom in America. We must do well to hold high standards, and clearly our founders knew that the Principles of the Bible were the greatest measure of high standards. Fools may try to point out some events in the Bible that seem to be immoral, but the overriding principles in the Bible are clear, and no man can be without excuse.
America needs to return to the founders understanding of what sustains a strong nation. That would be a pure devotion to the God who created us.
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-Thomas Jefferson
Republicans are devoted to selfishness and greed. Their gods run corporations. For the current Republicans party, America is only as good as what they can squeeze out of it.
I'm baffled by people who seem to think the men who wrote and adopted our constitution had some sort of ESP, and could see the future.
Do you truly think Jefferson sat around contemplating freedom of speech vs. child porn on the internet?
Absolutely not. However, I do think he was concerned about the morality of what should be free and not free. There were buffers set in the Constitution for change in societies, but they were not meant to allow "everything" anyone could conceive of to be OK.
Smartt, everything is not okie dokie. Quite a bit is illegal...some of it punishable by death. I still don't get your complaint. Time has marched on, change has occurred, and the constitution still guides us.
Seems to me, for a bunch of dumb assed Americans, all in all things aren't so bad.
The difference between 1850 and today is that today congress has a much more diverse group of bona fide citizens to answer to than the mostly white, mostly Christian electorate if the 1800's.
If We, The People had a vote, YES or NO, on whether or not we should become a 'Christian' nation, how would YOU vote?
Congress does not answer to the people anymore. They do what they want to do. That is an undeniable fact. Back then the people had a say.
I would vote NO! to a Christian nation if you are talking about a theocracy.
If the people still had a say, I believe things would be much better.
Ass-u-me-ing of course that the public place where Bibles are being handed out isn't also wide open to other groups, with equal freedom to distribute The Koran, The Torah, The Books of Buddha and Confucius and literature from the Queers, the KKK, Swingers and any other faith or lifestyle that wants to give it away in a so sanctioned a public space.
The difference between 1850 and today is that today congress has a much more diverse group of bona fide citizens to answer to than the mostly white, mostly Christian electorate if the 1800's.
If We, The People had a vote, YES or NO, on whether or not we should become a 'Christian' nation, how would YOU vote?
Congress does not answer to the people anymore. They do what they want to do. That is an undeniable fact. Back then the people had a say.
I would vote NO! to a Christian nation if you are talking about a theocracy.
If the people still had a say, I believe things would be much better.
You sure you'd vote 'No'?
Think about it...
Voting 'Yes' would be the absolute ONLY way you will ever see the things you ask for...
-The Bible as a general or historic textbook in public education...? Never gonna happen in a secular nation.
-'Free' Bibles handed at any public place, including schools, by the Giddeons or anyone else...? Never gonna happen in a secular nation...
Are you SURE you'd vote 'No'?
Why is there such a battle to separate the birth of America from the Principles upon which she was born?
Is there such a fear of good and right that people cannot function with them around?
Does truth, good morals, and goodness somehow interfere with the new American way?
Why can we not allow the words of our founding fathers to be told?
What is so bad about good?
I am not talking about religion. I am not talking about Christianity. I am not even talking about the Bible totally. I am talking about clean and moral principles. I believe all of the good things that this nation stood for in her birth can be found in the Bible, indeed, I believe they are Biblical principles. However, many people are hindered in their lifestyles by good and moral principles, no matter where they came from.
I believe it is about selfishness, greed and pleasures, no matter the cost. I believe America is driven by these three things, and whatever apposes them is wrong.
Jefferson did say that the Bible is the cornerstone of our liberty. Oh, that is not a quote, it is a paraphrase. Patrick Henry believed America was founded on the Gospel of Christ. Jefferson did believe that it is the God of creation is the one who makes us equal. Jefferson said, Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.
The preambles to most of the States in America have a direct comment about our connection to God. It is the people who our government is to represent, and not to control. The representatives are supposed to be listening to the people.
John Adams, and John Hancock said that there is no Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus.
John Adams said,
The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God. He also said that Independence say was a day of deliverance brought on by genuine acts of devotion to God almighty.
I believe Christians need to get back to the basics, and move back into that close relationship with Almighty God where they were when America began. (II Chronicles 7:14)
The Constitution cannot possibly stand if our country is given over to immorality and the evilness that she is facing right now. Just as the Bible says that the law was written for the righteous people, because it will protect them, John Adams said, Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
Government is not secular or religious, government is a servant to the people. The people of America when she was born were a religious people, given to the principles of the Scriptures. Government has no business interfering with what the people want. Currently the government seems to not understand that.
Yes, all religions are free in America, as it should be. None will be the chosen religion in America. None can demand anything of the other. Secular living is also a freedom in America. We must do well to hold high standards, and clearly our founders knew that the Principles of the Bible were the greatest measure of high standards. Fools may try to point out some events in the Bible that seem to be immoral, but the overriding principles in the Bible are clear, and no man can be without excuse.
America needs to return to the founders understanding of what sustains a strong nation. That would be a pure devotion to the God who created us.
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-Thomas Jefferson
The fact of owning slaves proves racism beyond a shadow of a doubt.
What exactly are you bitching about, Smart? Exactly what changes in our culture do you perceive to be deviations from our founding principles?
Actually that is not true. Many slave owners were not interest in slavery, but business. They were good to the people who worked for them. They took care of them.
And what about the blacks who owned slaves. Were they racists? According to your reasoning they were.
Back to the other issue, only about 1/3 of the Founding Fathers owned slaves. Many of those were good to their slaves, and made a good life for them.
As to your last question, you must be kidding. If I have to answer that you live in a bubble, and I doubt my words would get through to you.
The fact of owning slaves proves racism beyond a shadow of a doubt.
What exactly are you bitching about, Smart? Exactly what changes in our culture do you perceive to be deviations from our founding principles?
The fact of owning slaves proves racism beyond a shadow of a doubt.
What exactly are you bitching about, Smart? Exactly what changes in our culture do you perceive to be deviations from our founding principles?
Actually that is not true. Many slave owners were not interest in slavery, but business. They were good to the people who worked for them. They took care of them.
And what about the blacks who owned slaves. Were they racists? According to your reasoning they were.
Back to the other issue, only about 1/3 of the Founding Fathers owned slaves. Many of those were good to their slaves, and made a good life for them.
As to your last question, you must be kidding. If I have to answer that you live in a bubble, and I doubt my words would get through to you.
Sounds to me that you wouldn't mind being a slave if your master took care of you and was kind to you....right?
Actually that is not true. Many slave owners were not interest in slavery, but business. They were good to the people who worked for them. They took care of them.
And what about the blacks who owned slaves. Were they racists? According to your reasoning they were.
Back to the other issue, only about 1/3 of the Founding Fathers owned slaves. Many of those were good to their slaves, and made a good life for them.
As to your last question, you must be kidding. If I have to answer that you live in a bubble, and I doubt my words would get through to you.
Sounds to me that you wouldn't mind being a slave if your master took care of you and was kind to you....right?
Anyone who has a job has that blessing. That is, if the boss is nice. The diggerence, we don't get to live at the job. For some it was bad, for others, not so much. for others, it was good.
LOL. Sharpen thouest swordeth.Why is there such a battle to separate the birth of America from the Principles upon which she was born?
Is there such a fear of good and right that people cannot function with them around?
Does truth, good morals, and goodness somehow interfere with the new American way?
Why can we not allow the words of our founding fathers to be told?
What is so bad about good?
I am not talking about religion. I am not talking about Christianity. I am not even talking about the Bible totally. I am talking about clean and moral principles. I believe all of the good things that this nation stood for in her birth can be found in the Bible, indeed, I believe they are Biblical principles. However, many people are hindered in their lifestyles by good and moral principles, no matter where they came from.
I believe it is about selfishness, greed and pleasures, no matter the cost. I believe America is driven by these three things, and whatever apposes them is wrong.
Jefferson did say that the Bible is the cornerstone of our liberty. Oh, that is not a quote, it is a paraphrase. Patrick Henry believed America was founded on the Gospel of Christ. Jefferson did believe that it is the God of creation is the one who makes us equal. Jefferson said, Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.
The preambles to most of the States in America have a direct comment about our connection to God. It is the people who our government is to represent, and not to control. The representatives are supposed to be listening to the people.
John Adams, and John Hancock said that there is no Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus.
John Adams said,
The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God. He also said that Independence say was a day of deliverance brought on by genuine acts of devotion to God almighty.
I believe Christians need to get back to the basics, and move back into that close relationship with Almighty God where they were when America began. (II Chronicles 7:14)
The Constitution cannot possibly stand if our country is given over to immorality and the evilness that she is facing right now. Just as the Bible says that the law was written for the righteous people, because it will protect them, John Adams said, Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
Government is not secular or religious, government is a servant to the people. The people of America when she was born were a religious people, given to the principles of the Scriptures. Government has no business interfering with what the people want. Currently the government seems to not understand that.
Yes, all religions are free in America, as it should be. None will be the chosen religion in America. None can demand anything of the other. Secular living is also a freedom in America. We must do well to hold high standards, and clearly our founders knew that the Principles of the Bible were the greatest measure of high standards. Fools may try to point out some events in the Bible that seem to be immoral, but the overriding principles in the Bible are clear, and no man can be without excuse.
America needs to return to the founders understanding of what sustains a strong nation. That would be a pure devotion to the God who created us.
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-Thomas Jefferson
Congress does not answer to the people anymore. They do what they want to do. That is an undeniable fact. Back then the people had a say.
I would vote NO! to a Christian nation if you are talking about a theocracy.
If the people still had a say, I believe things would be much better.
You sure you'd vote 'No'?
Think about it...
Voting 'Yes' would be the absolute ONLY way you will ever see the things you ask for...
-The Bible as a general or historic textbook in public education...? Never gonna happen in a secular nation.
-'Free' Bibles handed at any public place, including schools, by the Giddeons or anyone else...? Never gonna happen in a secular nation...
Are you SURE you'd vote 'No'?
Of course I am sure. I am not trying to change back to the things you mentioned above, just pointing out that America is sliding rapidly into an immoral pool of sewage. We can give free Bibles to whoever wants them in other ways, no problem. I know that values are not actively taught in the schools not, and that would be the only real use for the Bible at this point. Values are indeed taught, but only by a sick society and a leadership too apathetic to make a difference. The English used would not be any better than other texts.
The way it is I can vote the way I want to on anything, and I don't have to answer to anyone. So can anyone else. That is one part of America that is fairly much the same. I will vote, and speak my heart whenever and wherever I want to, I am in a free country.
You sure you'd vote 'No'?
Think about it...
Voting 'Yes' would be the absolute ONLY way you will ever see the things you ask for...
-The Bible as a general or historic textbook in public education...? Never gonna happen in a secular nation.
-'Free' Bibles handed at any public place, including schools, by the Giddeons or anyone else...? Never gonna happen in a secular nation...
Are you SURE you'd vote 'No'?
Of course I am sure. I am not trying to change back to the things you mentioned above, just pointing out that America is sliding rapidly into an immoral pool of sewage. We can give free Bibles to whoever wants them in other ways, no problem. I know that values are not actively taught in the schools not, and that would be the only real use for the Bible at this point. Values are indeed taught, but only by a sick society and a leadership too apathetic to make a difference. The English used would not be any better than other texts.
The way it is I can vote the way I want to on anything, and I don't have to answer to anyone. So can anyone else. That is one part of America that is fairly much the same. I will vote, and speak my heart whenever and wherever I want to, I am in a free country.
That is your opinion, of course.
Congress does not answer to the people anymore. They do what they want to do. That is an undeniable fact. Back then the people had a say.
I would vote NO! to a Christian nation if you are talking about a theocracy.
If the people still had a say, I believe things would be much better.
You sure you'd vote 'No'?
Think about it...
Voting 'Yes' would be the absolute ONLY way you will ever see the things you ask for...
-The Bible as a general or historic textbook in public education...? Never gonna happen in a secular nation.
-'Free' Bibles handed at any public place, including schools, by the Giddeons or anyone else...? Never gonna happen in a secular nation...
Are you SURE you'd vote 'No'?
Of course I am sure. I am not trying to change back to the things you mentioned above, just pointing out that America is sliding rapidly into an immoral pool of sewage. We can give free Bibles to whoever wants them in other ways, no problem. I know that values are not actively taught in the schools not, and that would be the only real use for the Bible at this point. Values are indeed taught, but only by a sick society and a leadership too apathetic to make a difference. The English used would not be any better than other texts.
The way it is I can vote the way I want to on anything, and I don't have to answer to anyone. So can anyone else. That is one part of America that is fairly much the same. I will vote, and speak my heart whenever and wherever I want to, I am in a free country.
