America First = America Alone

[Coyote]

What president did that?

So congress critters can do anything they want and you are good with it because you hate Trump so much. It’s bad to harbor that much hate.

Are you normally so dense that you dont realize there is a difference between the POTUS and Congress, seriously?

Somehow I think if the prez was Obama you would be screetching about.

The POTUS should not be encouraging lawbreakers and promising pardons. If you can't see the problem with this you are beyond brainwashed and have entered the Zombie realm.

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Of course not wombat! But here’s the facts, you didn’t say a fucking word because it was a democrats breaking the law. Had it been a Republican you would be screeching your head off. You have a deep hatred for Trump. Admit it.

I have high expectations for how a president should behave. You clearly do not. And worse you support. Give me an example of Democrats telling people to break the law and giving them pardons for that and I will you in condemnation. In the meantime this is the POTUS. And all you can is deflect. Pathetic.

When Obama told illegals they could vote and there would be no repercussions!

umh.. Except he didnt. That was debunked when the entire quote was used. Try again.

 

[WillowTree]

So congress critters can do anything they want and you are good with it because you hate Trump so much. It’s bad to harbor that much hate.

Are you normally so dense that you dont realize there is a difference between the POTUS and Congress, seriously?

Somehow I think if the prez was Obama you would be screetching about.

The POTUS should not be encouraging lawbreakers and promising pardons. If you can't see the problem with this you are beyond brainwashed and have entered the Zombie realm.

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Of course not wombat! But here’s the facts, you didn’t say a fucking word because it was a democrats breaking the law. Had it been a Republican you would be screeching your head off. You have a deep hatred for Trump. Admit it.

I have high expectations for how a president should behave. You clearly do not. And worse you support. Give me an example of Democrats telling people to break the law and giving them pardons for that and I will you in condemnation. In the meantime this is the POTUS. And all you can is deflect. Pathetic.

When Obama told illegals they could vote and there would be no repercussions!

umh.. Except he didnt. That was debunked when the entire quote was used. Try again.

Nope ! He did exactly that!

 

[Bush92]

But America isn't strong right now

~S~

We are the most dominant nation since the Pax Britannia.

 

[Bush92]

So congress critters can do anything they want and you are good with it because you hate Trump so much. It’s bad to harbor that much hate.

Are you normally so dense that you dont realize there is a difference between the POTUS and Congress, seriously?

Somehow I think if the prez was Obama you would be screetching about.

The POTUS should not be encouraging lawbreakers and promising pardons. If you can't see the problem with this you are beyond brainwashed and have entered the Zombie realm.

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Of course not wombat! But here’s the facts, you didn’t say a fucking word because it was a democrats breaking the law. Had it been a Republican you would be screeching your head off. You have a deep hatred for Trump. Admit it.

I have high expectations for how a president should behave. You clearly do not. And worse you support. Give me an example of Democrats telling people to break the law and giving them pardons for that and I will you in condemnation. In the meantime this is the POTUS. And all you can is deflect. Pathetic.

When Obama told illegals they could vote and there would be no repercussions!

umh.. Except he didnt. That was debunked when the entire quote was used. Try again.

Post link.

 

[Bush92]

got a link to back that up???

Back what up?
1. Eminent Domain works by "the State" taking the right-of-way (for public use) and then negotiating the fair market value.
2. Trump is making significant progress on the southern wall. Mile by mile it is being built.

there has been no NEW wall built at all. that is a lie... only refurbished or replacement of existing wall has been 'constructed'. if you believe new wall is being built, then you are a dupe.

Trump has not built a single mile of new border fence, agency confirms

No, but now he's got a wallet full of money he stole from the military, he's going to build him some.

security is the military's job. it's like buying a jet, or tank. it's a wall. you're confused as usual.

WASHINGTON—The $6.1 billion in Defense Department funds that will be diverted to expand the barrier at the Mexican border will be taken out of programs ranging from funding of Afghan security forces to a retirement program for the U.S. military, as well as construction projects for military bases around the world, Pentagon officials said this week.
Funds for Military Pensions, Afghan Security Forces Among Those Being Diverted for Border Wall

We have a national emergency right here on our border, and most of that $$$ is for humanitarian reasons.

 

[Bush92]

Don't you understand what ANZUS being inoperable means? You've been told to fuck off/taken your ball and gone home. Have the decency to do it.

What does the United States get from Mexico, Latin America, and South America? Drugs, immigrants, criminals, and social problems.

 

[beagle9]

Don't you understand what ANZUS being inoperable means? You've been told to fuck off/taken your ball and gone home. Have the decency to do it.

What does the United States get from Mexico, Latin America, and South America? Drugs, immigrants, criminals, and social problems.

We've gotten some great citizens over time from these places over the years, but you are right that we've also gotten some bad people out of these same places over the years. Trump like any American wants to weed out the bad, and to keep them from coming here, but that makes him a racist according to the race baiting low life's in this country. Regardless, we have GOT TO GET THIS HOUSE IN ORDER. Go Trump.

 

[Coyote]

Are you normally so dense that you dont realize there is a difference between the POTUS and Congress, seriously?

Somehow I think if the prez was Obama you would be screetching about.

The POTUS should not be encouraging lawbreakers and promising pardons. If you can't see the problem with this you are beyond brainwashed and have entered the Zombie realm.

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Of course not wombat! But here’s the facts, you didn’t say a fucking word because it was a democrats breaking the law. Had it been a Republican you would be screeching your head off. You have a deep hatred for Trump. Admit it.

I have high expectations for how a president should behave. You clearly do not. And worse you support. Give me an example of Democrats telling people to break the law and giving them pardons for that and I will you in condemnation. In the meantime this is the POTUS. And all you can is deflect. Pathetic.

When Obama told illegals they could vote and there would be no repercussions!

umh.. Except he didnt. That was debunked when the entire quote was used. Try again.

Nope ! He did exactly that!

Show us the quote.

 

[Coyote]

Are you normally so dense that you dont realize there is a difference between the POTUS and Congress, seriously?

Somehow I think if the prez was Obama you would be screetching about.

The POTUS should not be encouraging lawbreakers and promising pardons. If you can't see the problem with this you are beyond brainwashed and have entered the Zombie realm.

View attachment 276544

Of course not wombat! But here’s the facts, you didn’t say a fucking word because it was a democrats breaking the law. Had it been a Republican you would be screeching your head off. You have a deep hatred for Trump. Admit it.

I have high expectations for how a president should behave. You clearly do not. And worse you support. Give me an example of Democrats telling people to break the law and giving them pardons for that and I will you in condemnation. In the meantime this is the POTUS. And all you can is deflect. Pathetic.

When Obama told illegals they could vote and there would be no repercussions!

umh.. Except he didnt. That was debunked when the entire quote was used. Try again.

Post link.

I posted it earlier in this thread.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So the president is now encouraging people to BREAK the law? The president of the United States?


Washington Post: Trump tells officials he will pardon them if they break the law building the wall - CNNPolitics

Who were the democrats who escorted illegals across the border?

What president did that?

So congress critters can do anything they want and you are good with it because you hate Trump so much. It’s bad to harbor that much hate.

Are you normally so dense that you dont realize there is a difference between the POTUS and Congress, seriously?

Somehow I think if the prez was Obama you would be screetching about.

The POTUS should not be encouraging lawbreakers and promising pardons. If you can't see the problem with this you are beyond brainwashed and have entered the Zombie realm.

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I think the problem is that you people on the left take everything so literally. It's not like Trump never jokes about stuff. He isn't Richard Nixon who looked like he hadn't had a bowel movement in a week. Trump jokes about a lot of things, and he's a funny guy.

If he said this (and there is no empirical evidence he did) it's likely he was making a joke about the situation.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Another impeachable offense by the Trump administration.

‘Take the land’: President Trump wants a border wall. He wants it black. And he wants it by Election Day.
By Nick Miroff and Josh Dawsey

President Trump is so eager to complete hundreds of miles of border fence ahead of the 2020 presidential election that he has directed aides to fast-track billions of dollars’ worth of construction contracts, aggressively seize private land and disregard environmental rules, according to current and former officials involved with the project.

He also has told worried subordinates that he will pardon them of any potential wrongdoing should they have to break laws to get the barriers built quickly, those officials said.

When aides have suggested that some orders are illegal or unworkable, Trump has suggested he would pardon the officials if they would just go ahead, aides said. He has waved off worries about contracting procedures and the use of eminent domain, saying “take the land,” according to officials who attended the meetings.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immi...b80018-c821-11e9-a4f3-c081a126de70_story.html

If you ask me, it's about goddamned time--he's been dickin' around for three years and getting everybody in a total lather over invading brown people and he hasn't done a thing. I don't even think a Wall is the greatest idea, but let's shit or get off the pot about it. Maybe if enough of it gets built, these haters will shut up.

They have identified Mexicans as an invading horde
A wall will not change that

You mean they will still be maligning Hispanics, even after they aren't entering illegally?
Now that the Wall is rolling, let's see what can be done to improve the problem of Visa overstays, which is more than half the "illegals" who are here.

The solution to all these immigration problems is simple: Congress to create a law that anybody here illegally is subject to prosecution of a first degree felony. Anybody caught here is subject to a minimum of five years in prison, immediately deported afterwards, and if they return again, up the prison time.

Such a law will take care of most of our immigration problems: Visa overstays, asylum applicants that don't return to court for their final hearing, border crossers, green card violators.

It's a neat little package all wrapped up into one. No need for a wall, additional ICE or border patrol agents, constant House and Senate bickering. All problems solved with words.

 

[jasonnfree]

If we have a national emergency with illegals, then let's by all means start jailing the business owners that keep hiring them. We don't have a national emergency. We have a prez that found an issue to scare the daylights out of his followers. Scare the naive and gullible and excite and titillate the racists is what this guy is doing. A link below to the latest raid on illegals working here. Let's demand that the owner be jailed.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/09/mississippi-food-plants-willfully-employed-illegal-workers-feds/

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Having the builders rush through billions of dollars' worth of construction contracts, blow past environmental regulations and to "take the land" necessary by eminent domain, is hardly "breaking the law, except for the environmental regulations part. And if those stand in the way of getting the wall done, they should be disregarded.

FINISH THE F+CKING WALL ALREADY.

"eminent domain"

Ever had that happen to you? I have and it can be painful. Certainly not at the magnitude proposed.
The folks that live along the border will give a damn good fight and it will be tied up in court for a long, long time.
Good luck.

Uh, no it will not. The only reason they have to sue is that they will not be paid the market value for their land, which with the flood of illegals crossing it is just about nothing!

"The 2006 Secure Fence Act, for instance, where there was private property taken to build the present fence that now is 654 miles on the border, some of those cases are still in litigation 10 years later," Brigham says. "I think 330 cases or so were filed. Sixty or 70 are still pending with the federal court."

Trump Could Use Eminent Domain To Build A Border Wall, But It Would Be Complicated

The Trump border wall faces a serious legal obstacle

Most likely seeing how much they can drain from the federal government. You can't actually win these cases.

The wall should go up anyway for those that are compliant. I have a hundred acres of land, and agree to have the government build a wall on my property to keep illegals out. You have a hundred acres of land and do just the opposite, fight them, so the wall on your property won't be built until court settlement.

When the problem illegals that were crossing my property are now crossing yours, along with the ones that were crossing your property to begin with, you'd see how fast you'd want a wall too!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If we have a national emergency with illegals, then let's by all means start jailing the business owners that keep hiring them. We don't have a national emergency. We have a prez that found an issue to scare the daylights out of his followers. Scare the naive and gullible and excite and titillate the racists is what this guy is doing. A link below to the latest raid on illegals working here. Let's demand that the owner be jailed.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/09/mississippi-food-plants-willfully-employed-illegal-workers-feds/

Prison time is a penalty for repeat offenders. However first, second and third time violators receive penalties including losing their business license, which of course means they can no longer operate their business.

What I find ridiculous about all this is you want to lock up Americans for hiring illegals and not the illegals themselves. They simply get deported if caught, and that's mostly cases of breaking more serious laws.

So business owners go to jail, and the illegals just find another place to work. What problem does that solve?

 

[Papageorgio]

If we have a national emergency with illegals, then let's by all means start jailing the business owners that keep hiring them. We don't have a national emergency. We have a prez that found an issue to scare the daylights out of his followers. Scare the naive and gullible and excite and titillate the racists is what this guy is doing. A link below to the latest raid on illegals working here. Let's demand that the owner be jailed.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/09/mississippi-food-plants-willfully-employed-illegal-workers-feds/

We need to arrest and deport, we need to fine and/or jail businesses that hire them, we need to make sanctuary cities illegal. If they can’t work, they can’t hide, they can’t get assistance, they will leave.

 

[Coyote]

By the way what POTUS encouraged immigrants to break the law? Another Loser lie.

Obama

Quote.

Video: Obama 'encourages illegals to vote' - WND

In an interview with the Latin-oriented YouTube channel mitu, millennial actress Gina Rodriguez asked Obama:

"Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens – and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country – are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will Immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?"

Obama responded: "Not true, and the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, etc. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential."

The president's answer left Neil Cavuto of the Fox Business Network completely stunned.​

WND is a crap source for good reason.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...how-obama-urging-undocumented-people-to-vote/
In fact, as Obama makes clear at three different points in the 30-second clip, he’s speaking not to undocumented immigrants, but to their U.S.-born or naturalized children — who can and should legally vote, because they’re U.S. citizens.

These are Obama’s remarks in full, with the relevant portions bolded:

First of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for.​

If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote … People are discouraged from voting, and part of what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you’re not just speaking for yourself. You’re speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school who may not have a voice. Who can’t legally vote. But they’re counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard.​

It is pretty clear he is talking about citizens voting.

Total fail on your part. Try again.

​

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

By the way what POTUS encouraged immigrants to break the law? Another Loser lie.

Obama

Quote.

Video: Obama 'encourages illegals to vote' - WND

In an interview with the Latin-oriented YouTube channel mitu, millennial actress Gina Rodriguez asked Obama:

"Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens – and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country – are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will Immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?"

Obama responded: "Not true, and the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, etc. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential."

The president's answer left Neil Cavuto of the Fox Business Network completely stunned.​

WND is a crap source for good reason.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...how-obama-urging-undocumented-people-to-vote/
In fact, as Obama makes clear at three different points in the 30-second clip, he’s speaking not to undocumented immigrants, but to their U.S.-born or naturalized children — who can and should legally vote, because they’re U.S. citizens.

These are Obama’s remarks in full, with the relevant portions bolded:

First of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for.​

If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote … People are discouraged from voting, and part of what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you’re not just speaking for yourself. You’re speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school who may not have a voice. Who can’t legally vote. But they’re counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard.​

It is pretty clear he is talking about citizens voting.

Total fail on your part. Try again.

​

Why didn't you post the question he was asked?

Oh, no, you can't do that because it destroys your entire line of thinking!

 

[Bush92]

Of course not wombat! But here’s the facts, you didn’t say a fucking word because it was a democrats breaking the law. Had it been a Republican you would be screeching your head off. You have a deep hatred for Trump. Admit it.

I have high expectations for how a president should behave. You clearly do not. And worse you support. Give me an example of Democrats telling people to break the law and giving them pardons for that and I will you in condemnation. In the meantime this is the POTUS. And all you can is deflect. Pathetic.

When Obama told illegals they could vote and there would be no repercussions!

umh.. Except he didnt. That was debunked when the entire quote was used. Try again.

Nope ! He did exactly that!

Show us the quote.

Well IF TRUE the quote would be devastating. That should be good enough for you liberals.

 

[sparky]

We are the most dominant nation since the Pax Britannia.

or the Spanish, Dutch or Roman empires for that matter

all of which eventually went broke assimilating other cultures

~S~

 

[rightwinger]

My apologi

If you ask me, it's about goddamned time--he's been dickin' around for three years and getting everybody in a total lather over invading brown people and he hasn't done a thing. I don't even think a Wall is the greatest idea, but let's shit or get off the pot about it. Maybe if enough of it gets built, these haters will shut up.

They have identified Mexicans as an invading horde
A wall will not change that

You mean they will still be maligning Hispanics, even after they aren't entering illegally?
Now that the Wall is rolling, let's see what can be done to improve the problem of Visa overstays, which is more than half the "illegals" who are here.

I'm sorry, but what part of illegal do you not understand. Conflating illegal immigrants with Hispanic citizens is dishonest and lazy. Many Hispanic citizens agree with Trump by the way. In your world view, you want everybody to hate each other, and that is sad.

Learn how to read. Or stop imagining whatever you WANT me to say rather than what I DID say.

My apologies, I thought you were agreeing with rightwinger on his blanket invasion statement.

It is our president making blanket invasion statements

Wait......”some of them are good people”