AGAIN... I'm not saying this... experts are... $20 trillion to up grade the power grid? Who will be paying ???

[AveMarica]

And, in an EV-heavy future, they’ve also plugged in their car for a recharge.
This creates a massive surge in demand, and it will quickly overload the grid.

You're taking this out of context, your source is talking about needs for the global electrical grid. USA is only a little over 4% of the world population, and it is a safe assumption that the majority of that increase in consumption will come from developing countries since a country like India has poorer infrastructure and far more people that will demand a rapid increase in electricity as their standards of living rise.

To take it further, the blackouts you mention are from surges in demand, most EVs are charged at night when demand is lower.

Overall this is a first class failure of a fear mongering thread, and bonus hilarity for the way the same people who throw tantrums about new standards for efficient light bulbs and air conditioners are suddenly very invested in how much electric cars will burden the electric grid.

 

[Moonglow]

Why Electric Vehicles Won't Break the Grid​

Scientific American
https://www.scientificamerican.com › article › why-ele...




Sep 19, 2022 — Time-of-use pricing encourages EV owners to charge their vehicles during off-peak hours, rewarding them with lower rates for doing so. And ...

Electric Vehicle Grid Integration​

National Renewable Energy Laboratory (.gov)
https://www.nrel.gov › project-ev-grid-integration




NREL is developing and evaluating fully integrated systems that connect electric vehicles (EVs), charging infrastructure, buildings, power grids, ...

Grid Integration of Electric Vehicles – Analysis​

International Energy Agency
https://www.iea.org › reports › grid-integration-of-ele...




It aims to serve as a guide for policy makers to effectively integrate electric vehicle charging into the grid, thereby supporting road transport ...

Can Power Grids Cope With Millions of EVs?​

IEEE Spectrum
https://spectrum.ieee.org › the-ev-transition-explained-26...




Nov 28, 2022 — There have been vigorous debates pro and con in the United States and elsewhere over whether electric grids can support EVs at scale.

Busting the myths and misconceptions about electric ...​

National Grid Group
https://www.nationalgrid.com › journey-to-net-zero




National Grid EV van seen from behind in a field with electricity pylons and a wind. Myth 1: The electricity grid won't be able to handle the increase in EVs.

The Impact of EV Charging on the Grid​

POWER Magazine
https://www.powermag.com › the-impact-of-ev-chargi...




Jul 19, 2023 — With vehicle-to-grid (V2G) technology, which enables electric vehicles (EVs) to provide services to the power grid, grid operators can tap into ...





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[Billiejeens]

Well why didn't you mention that before? You should rush to whoever is in charge of how our cars are powered and tell them what you just told us. I'm sure they will put off this whole electric car thing, until you give them the go ahead.

Everyone already knows moron.

 

[Billiejeens]

Ignorance really is bliss...

It's a sub-cult of The Democrat Media Bubble Cult.

 

[Billiejeens]

You're taking this out of context, your source is talking about needs for the global electrical grid. USA is only a little over 4% of the world population, and it is a safe assumption that the majority of that increase in consumption will come from developing countries since a country like India has poorer infrastructure and far more people that will demand a rapid increase in electricity as their standards of living rise.

To take it further, the blackouts you mention are from surges in demand, most EVs are charged at night when demand is lower.

Overall this is a first class failure of a fear mongering thread, and bonus hilarity for the way the same people who throw tantrums about new standards for efficient light bulbs and air conditioners are suddenly very invested in how much electric cars will burden the electric grid.

You're in a Cult.

 

[Moonglow]

It's a sub-cult of The Democrat Media Bubble Cult.

Except the alternate forms of energy and transportation were directed by a biartisan law called, The 2005 Energy Policy Act.

 

[Billiejeens]

Except the alternate forms of energy and transportation were directed by a biartisan law called, The 2005 Energy Policy Act.

What's your point?
If it's that Republicans sometimes elect Democrats, then, yeah.

 

[AveMarica]

You're in a Cult.

Where cult is defined as willing to objectively process information instead of blindly succumbing to fear mongering?

 

[Billiejeens]

Where cult is defined as willing to objectively process information instead of blindly succumbing to fear mongering?

No.

 

[Moonglow]

What's your point?
If it's that Republicans sometimes elect Democrats, then, yeah.

The law was passed by a majority Republican Congress and a Republican president, your inability to see the truth is your weakness.

 

[Orangecat]

We were hoping you would.

Typical libtard response: OPM.

 

[AveMarica]

No.

Your inability to support your position with more than basically grunts speaks volumes.

Clearly you are a typical partisan hack who's every opinion is dictated by whatever fear mongering outrage the talking heads are feeding you.

 

[Billiejeens]

Your inability to support your position with more than basically grunts speaks volumes.

Clearly you are a typical partisan hack who's every opinion is dictated by whatever fear mongering outrage the talking heads are feeding you.

No

 

[healthmyths]

You're taking this out of context, your source is talking about needs for the global electrical grid. USA is only a little over 4% of the world population, and it is a safe assumption that the majority of that increase in consumption will come from developing countries since a country like India has poorer infrastructure and far more people that will demand a rapid increase in electricity as their standards of living rise.

To take it further, the blackouts you mention are from surges in demand, most EVs are charged at night when demand is lower.

Overall this is a first class failure of a fear mongering thread, and bonus hilarity for the way the same people who throw tantrums about new standards for efficient light bulbs and air conditioners are suddenly very invested in how much electric cars will burden the electric grid.

We found that the representative utility, depending on charging patterns, will need to invest between $1,700 and $5,800 in grid upgrades per electric vehicle (EV) through 2030.

The Costs of Revving Up the Grid for Electric Vehicles

Utilities must upgrade the grid to handle demand from electric vehicles. The catch? They must avoid driving customer rates through the roof in the process.

www.bcg.com

EEI Projects 26 Million Electric Vehicles Will Be on US Roads in 2030 |

www.eei.org

Projected number of EVs 26.4 million in 2030;
Assuming the cost is half way between $1,700 and $5,800 or $4,100 per EV X 26.4 million EVs or
$99,000,000,000 additional cost to upgrade the grid.

Also remember this is Biden's guarantee:
"I guarantee We Are Going To Get Rid of Fossil Fuels” September 06, 2019, 5:49 PM


This means getting rid of 60% of the electricity generating plants that are fossil fuels!
That would mean replacing of the there were 24,645 electric generators at about 11,925 utility-scale electric power plants in the United States.

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

In 2022, about 4,243 billion kilowatthours (kWh) (or about 4.24 trillion kWh) of electricity were generated at utility-scale electricity generation facilities in the United States. 1 About 60% of this electricity generation was from fossil fuels—coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases.

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

Now to fulfill Biden's guarantee means building over 7,000 NEW non fossil fuel electric power plants...
The cost to build a new power plant to replace a fossil fuel plant:
The input value used for onshore wind in AEO2022 was $1,411 per kilowatt (kW), and for solar PV with tracking, it was $1,323/kW, which represents the cost of building a plant excluding regional factors.

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/assumptions/pdf/table_8.2.pdf

CALCULATION that 7,000 new non-fossil fuel needed to replace the 2,545,800,000,000 kWh generated by fossil fuel plants at a cost of $1,323/kW or 290,417,522 kW per hour to be replaced
or total cost of $409,779,123,888. Just to meet Biden's "guarantee to rid fossil fuels"!

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Whenever you open a business just mention buzzwords such as sustainable and save the planet and watch the green roll into your bank account. Most of these gullible idiots have fallen for the indoctrination of glowarm. Take their money and grin.

 

[fncceo]

Who will be paying ?​

We all know who will be paying.

 

[AveMarica]

We found that the representative utility, depending on charging patterns, will need to invest between $1,700 and $5,800 in grid upgrades per electric vehicle (EV) through 2030.

From your link about 2030:

"In our base case (15% EV penetration by 2030 and a moderately optimized charging pattern), we estimate that retail rates will rise by 0.24 cents per kWh, an increase of roughly 2%. That increase will occur despite significant boosts in revenue from EV charging. In the optimized charging scenarios, and especially at low levels of penetration, the revenue hike nearly offsets higher costs and leaves rates essentially unchanged."

Wow what a scary boogeyman you have stumbled upon here, a 2% increase in electricity rates for moderately optimized charging pattern, or possibly as low as 0% increase. How much again to consumers spend on gasoline?

 

[rampart]

Our electric bills is where utilities get funding.
Last time it was the "Smart Grid"

Biden-Harris Administration Announces $13 Billion To Modernize And Expand America's Power Grid

Applications Now Open for States, Tribes, and Utilities to Receive Funding from Key Programs Secured by President Biden to Enhance the Power Grid’s Ability to Deliver Cheaper, Cleaner, and More Reliable Electricity to American Communities and Businesses

www.energy.gov

So more power needed with fewer powerplants? Typical low-IQ democrat thinking.

no, that is typical "conservative" low iq thinking.

"we" want every home to have its own power source.

 

[miketx]

Can the Power Grid Handle Electric Cars? — EV Connect

The power grid can handle the coming surge in electric vehicles, but utility companies must prepare for it now. Here are three things utilities can do today.

www.evconnect.com

According to the U.S. Department of Transportation, the typical American drives their car about 13,500 miles per year. A typical EV would require about 3,857 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity. For 26.4 million EVs, that’s over 101 terawatt-hours (TWh) of electricity in a year or about 2.5% of what the U.S. grid produced in 2020.
Although it’s a small percentage, it’s much more than what we’re currently asking of the electrical grid.

Can the Power Grid Handle the Growing EV Demand?
But it will take planning on the part of utility companies in order to handle it well. Without proper preparation, a scenario in which our busiest cities see their electrical grids regularly overloaded during peak-demand times is not at all far-fetched.
Consider a grid in a large city at around 6:00 on any given weeknight. Everyone just arrived home. They’ve turned up the air conditioning, started running the oven and microwave, and flipped on the television.
And, in an EV-heavy future, they’ve also plugged in their car for a recharge.
This creates a massive surge in demand, and it will quickly overload the grid.


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This is what I've been showing regarding the "Unaccounted costs" for forcing migration to EVs.
Where will this $21 trillion come from? YOU and ME in higher electric bills!
BUT more importantly... what happens if the upgrading of the grid is slower than the expansion of EVs?
More black outs...

The Grid Needs A $20 Trillion Upgrade To Support Energy Transition | OilPrice.com

Upgrading the global electrical grid comes with a unique set of challenges including local opposition, skill shortages, and a financing problem.

oilprice.com

Who do you think will pay?

 

[eagle1462010]

no, that is typical "conservative" low iq thinking.

"we" want every home to have its own power source.

How many Friends Inlaws and Cousins are gonna Get work from home jobs off the taxpayers for it??

Why not be open up front and just pay the politicians up front??

More BS and money laundering from a corrupt gov.