after this would you trust the RNC to reform health care?

[Oldandtired]

The only reason the republicans now have a healthcare plan is because the democrats were doing it. Minus that, the republican who already have a great plan could give a shit. Can no one see that! And regarding abortion, how it that all the moralists come out of the walls when abortion is mentioned but give not a crap for the children who die every 15 seconds. The tragedy of abortion requires compassion and solutions not BS.


"In the 1950s, about a million illegal abortions a year were performed in the U.S., and over a thousand women died each year as a result. Women who were victims of botched or unsanitary abortions came in desperation to hospital emergency wards, where some died of widespread abdominal infections. Many women who recovered from such infections found themselves sterile or chronically and painfully ill. The enormous emotional stress often lasted a long time."

HISTORY OF ABORTION

Pure assumption by someone who has the fist family as his (her) avatar.

Gee......such credibility you exude.

 

[Oldandtired]

FL had tort reform under John Bush. How much did their health care costs decrease?

So you are saying that the Florida model did not work?
Or do you really not know the result?

 

[Big Fitz]

So we're going to change the standard for interstate insurance now? The Fed uses the ICC to regulate instate trade saying that it affects trade needs from other states, even if it never leaves your own property. So fine, don't force the state to drop the mandates, but instead, deny them the right to prevent purchasing out of state insurance, even if they DO have to cover the same mandates, suddenly the amount of competition just went up by a factor of 5.

Secondly, the national debate boils down and becomes 50 state based debates where action can be done much faster and with much more desirable results, hopefully quickly dissolving the 40 year old great society megaliths who have been pushing local socialism for that period of time, and get fresh blood in the state senates and offices.

This single simple change would spark a revolution in this nation for the better.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

FL had tort reform under John Bush. How much did their health care costs decrease?

MA has health care similar to what is in the current bill in congress. How much did our care costs and budget defecit increase?

Im onto you this morning uscitizen.....must be bitter about you not answering my question from yesterday

 

[uscitizen]

FL had tort reform under John Bush. How much did their health care costs decrease?

So you are saying that the Florida model did not work?
Or do you really not know the result?

I really do not know the result, and doubt if any do or if they do they are not talking.

I view Tort reform supporters as a faith based thing.
I genuinely welcome anyone to prove me wrong.
I prefer facts instead of partisan based hyperbole.

 

[Oldandtired]

FL had tort reform under John Bush. How much did their health care costs decrease?

MA has health care similar to what is in the current bill in congress. How much did our care costs and budget defecit increase?

Im onto you this morning uscitizen.....must be bitter about you not answering my question from yesterday

aww....you blew it for me.
When UScitizen responded with "the florida model did not work"...I was going to say "and the Mass model did?"

And then ask....which model that did not work cost the taxpayer more money?

And he would have left the thread.

 

[Oldandtired]

FL had tort reform under John Bush. How much did their health care costs decrease?

So you are saying that the Florida model did not work?
Or do you really not know the result?

I really do not know the result, and doubt if any do or if they do they are not talking.

Well...then I stand corrected.

In the meantime....worked or not, it cost the taxpayer nothing.....so what is wrong with trying?

We know the mass plan....similar to the Democratic plan .......did not work...and it cost billions.

 

[uscitizen]

FL had tort reform under John Bush. How much did their health care costs decrease?

MA has health care similar to what is in the current bill in congress. How much did our care costs and budget defecit increase?

Im onto you this morning uscitizen.....must be bitter about you not answering my question from yesterday

aww....you blew it for me.
When UScitizen responded with "the florida model did not work"...I was going to say "and the Mass model did?"

And then ask....which model that did not work cost the taxpayer more money?

And he would have left the thread.

where have I shown support for or said the MA model worked?

 

[Oldandtired]

FL had tort reform under John Bush. How much did their health care costs decrease?

So you are saying that the Florida model did not work?
Or do you really not know the result?

I really do not know the result, and doubt if any do or if they do they are not talking.

I view Tort reform supporters as a faith based thing.
I genuinely welcome anyone to prove me wrong.
I prefer facts instead of partisan based hyperbole.

So the democratic plan is filled with facts and not partisan hyperbole?

Someone being allowed to sue a surgeon for 7 figures due to a scar on their big toe after foot surgery is not enough to say that tort reform woiuld hewlp matters?

And yes...that was a case I was selected to be a jury for...until I said in the interview....."I have frineds that lose limbs in wars, and this chick wants 7 figures for a scar on her toe....AFTER ELECTIVE SURGERY?"

 

[Oldandtired]

MA has health care similar to what is in the current bill in congress. How much did our care costs and budget defecit increase?

Im onto you this morning uscitizen.....must be bitter about you not answering my question from yesterday

aww....you blew it for me.
When UScitizen responded with "the florida model did not work"...I was going to say "and the Mass model did?"

And then ask....which model that did not work cost the taxpayer more money?

And he would have left the thread.

where have I shown support for or said the MA model worked?

You didnt. I simply asked a question.

So you are not for the democratic plan that is on the table?

 

[uscitizen]

So you are saying that the Florida model did not work?
Or do you really not know the result?

I really do not know the result, and doubt if any do or if they do they are not talking.

I view Tort reform supporters as a faith based thing.
I genuinely welcome anyone to prove me wrong.
I prefer facts instead of partisan based hyperbole.

So the democratic plan is filled with facts and not partisan hyperbole?

Someone being allowed to sue a surgeon for 7 figures due to a scar on their big toe after foot surgery is not enough to say that tort reform woiuld hewlp matters?

And yes...that was a case I was selected to be a jury for...until I said in the interview....."I have frineds that lose limbs in wars, and this chick wants 7 figures for a scar on her toe....AFTER ELECTIVE SURGERY?"

the resulting healthcare plan is garbage as the result of lobbyist influence and renting of congress.

No but a hospital cutting off the wrong leg is.
The person was left with no leg to stand on.

How much are your legs worth?

 

[The Rabbi]

FL had tort reform under John Bush. How much did their health care costs decrease?

Who the fuck is "John Bush"??
And if policies are sold over state lines then the Feds can regulate it.

 

[uscitizen]

aww....you blew it for me.
When UScitizen responded with "the florida model did not work"...I was going to say "and the Mass model did?"

And then ask....which model that did not work cost the taxpayer more money?

And he would have left the thread.

where have I shown support for or said the MA model worked?

You didnt. I simply asked a question.

So you are not for the democratic plan that is on the table?

Nope, it is trash.

 

[Big Fitz]

That is as long as you are switching insurance.

AFAIK, as long as you are SWITCHING, I believe this is already the case. But if you let it DROP and then SWITCH... they can burn you.

That said, I also want one of Jason Lewis' suggestions: Take away the employer tax credit and give it to the individual. That right there will end employer based health care and allow wages to rise back to better levels and allow you to get the cost savings.

 

[uscitizen]

That is as long as you are switching insurance.

AFAIK, as long as you are SWITCHING, I believe this is already the case. But if you let it DROP and then SWITCH... they can burn you.

That said, I also want one of Jason Lewis' suggestions: Take away the employer tax credit and give it to the individual. That right there will end employer based health care and allow wages to rise back to better levels and allow you to get the cost savings.

Only if you are switching most employer based group insurance policies. Most group policies have an exemption on pre existing conditions. Most individual policies do not.

 

[Big Fitz]

That is as long as you are switching insurance.

AFAIK, as long as you are SWITCHING, I believe this is already the case. But if you let it DROP and then SWITCH... they can burn you.

That said, I also want one of Jason Lewis' suggestions: Take away the employer tax credit and give it to the individual. That right there will end employer based health care and allow wages to rise back to better levels and allow you to get the cost savings.

Only if you are switching most employer based group insurance policies. Most group policies have an exemption on pre existing conditions. Most individual policies do not.

that will change with the market demands though. No good pricing oneself out of the market. You go out of business just as fast.

 

[uscitizen]

AFAIK, as long as you are SWITCHING, I believe this is already the case. But if you let it DROP and then SWITCH... they can burn you.

That said, I also want one of Jason Lewis' suggestions: Take away the employer tax credit and give it to the individual. That right there will end employer based health care and allow wages to rise back to better levels and allow you to get the cost savings.

Only if you are switching most employer based group insurance policies. Most group policies have an exemption on pre existing conditions. Most individual policies do not.

that will change with the market demands though. No good pricing oneself out of the market. You go out of business just as fast.

And what has changed in the market to change the demands?

Supply and demand in helathcare is sort of like in energy.
They have the supply and mostly demand what they want for it.

Supply and demand works fine for non essientials though. Like Computers and widgets.

 

[The Rabbi]

Only if you are switching most employer based group insurance policies. Most group policies have an exemption on pre existing conditions. Most individual policies do not.

that will change with the market demands though. No good pricing oneself out of the market. You go out of business just as fast.

And what has changed in the market to change the demands?

Supply and demand in helathcare is sort of like in energy.
They have the supply and mostly demand what they want for it.

Supply and demand works fine for non essientials though. Like Computers and widgets.

Bullshit.
If that were the case gas would still cost $4a gallon.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

MA has health care similar to what is in the current bill in congress. How much did our care costs and budget defecit increase?

Im onto you this morning uscitizen.....must be bitter about you not answering my question from yesterday

aww....you blew it for me.
When UScitizen responded with "the florida model did not work"...I was going to say "and the Mass model did?"

And then ask....which model that did not work cost the taxpayer more money?

And he would have left the thread.

where have I shown support for or said the MA model worked?

I haven't read you saying you support it anywhere. However, the example of MA is a good counter-example to the one you provided from FL.

 

[MIPS]

Supply and demand in helathcare is sort of like in energy.
They have the supply and mostly demand what they want for it.

Surely you are joking? Even the most rabid progressives I have talked to seem to understand that the supply of "health care" is quite finite and that a significant portion of the health care price inflation is attributable to constrained supply (they just don't seem to understand that the supply constraints are attributable largely to government interference in the market), or do you believe that doctors can treat an infinite number of patients in a given period of time? or that multi-million dollar MRI can scan an infinite number of patients at once? is there an unlimited supply of hospital beds? do drug companies summon medications from the ether? Can we create new nurses with solar panels?

If you were trying to say that there insufficient market competition in the health care industry then I would agree with you and add that the reason for this is government intervention.