Additional regulation of the Financial Industry Needed Besides Dodd-Frank!

JimofPennsylvan

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America's political and economic leaders did not fully learn the lessons from the Great Recession! Arguably the worst element of the Great Recession was the seizure of America's credit markets, the short and medium term lending mechanisms of the American economy stopped functioning and if it wasn't for the Federal Reserve Bank stepping in with all kinds of support the country would have fallen into a depression. A major cause of this credit market seizure was financial institution sellers of swap contracts could not absorb the losses when the mortgages underlying these swap contracts began defaulting at high rates. A swap contract is like an insurance contract where for the credit default swap contracts that were at the center of the 2007-2009 recession the contract sellers obligated themselves to pay the contract holders if mortgages and in many cases subprime mortgage back securities defaulted at high rates. As the American people saw when these underlying subrime mortages began defaulting at high rates major American financial institutions that sold these swap contracts were toppled or had to be rescued by the Federal government - storied banks like Bear Sterns and Lehman Brothers were wiped out and America's largest Insurance company, AIG, needed a $150 plus billion dollar bail out.

One would have thought that America's political and economic leaders would have learned the simple lesson, that financial institutions should not be permitted to sell credit default swap contracts to a buyer unless the buyer owns the loan or bond that is the subject matter of the swap contract, no speculative credit default swap contracts allowed in America. During the great recession these financial institutions that got in trouble had sold multiple swap contracts on the same bonds, in fact what went on was that speculators that didn't even own the underlying bonds but had the foresight to see that the mortgage borrowers would not be able to meet their loan obligations bought swap contracts in mass and when the defaults started these sellers couldn't handle the financial liability. Responsibility cries out for banning these credit-default derivitives.

Today, the danger is not in credit default swap contracts on mortgage bank secuities but on bonds and loans of businesses that are in financial trouble. Yesterday, the Wall Street Journal reported that there is $23.5 billion of swap contracts outstanding for Radio Shack Corporation's outstanding $1.4 billion in outstanding debt; JC Penney has $19.3 billion outstanding swap contracts on $8.5 billion of outstanding debt and Caesars Entertainment has $26.9 billion of oustanding swap contracts on $8.5 billion of oustanding debt. Why is this casino capitalism behavior being permitted in America today are we a brain dead people. In the latter two cases the sellers of the swap contracts most likely won't have to pay out and even for the Radio Shack swaps a $23.5 billion payout won't destablilize America's financial industry. But if this behavior is allowed it certainly will result in a destabilzation, consider all the internet companies out there even companies like Amazon that spend more money than they take in what happens when America runs into a major recession it will happen economy's are cyclical, economists will tell you that is essenitially a fact. When this day comes and the tide turns on the credit default market at minimum America will see many of these sellers of such swap contracts such as hedge funds and private equity funds hurt real bad and in many cases pension funds investing with these entities will be hurt real bad, these financial institutions will conduct fire sales on other assets and cut expenses at these businesses resulting in a lot of main street Americans being hurt. Members of Congress especially Republicans need to get a conscience on this issue and stop this foolish speculation in our economy. They should be asking themselves does this speculation raise capital for a business does it create a new product or service it is clearly irresponsible capitalism.

Do Washington politicians really think the American people want this swap contract system we have in place today where mischief abounds related to these contract. The WSJ reported that sellers of these swap contracts sometimes go make loans to the underlying businesses that are the subject matter of the contracts just to carry the company during the time of the contract so it won't default during this period and then the company goes bankrupt which obstructs good business evaluation to try to save the business or part of the business. Sometimes buyers of these swap contracts pursuant to the WSJ buy up stock in a troubled company that is the subject matter of a swap contract and work to cause the company to default on their bonds. The American people don't want this garbage, they expect their elected representatives in Washington to put a stop to this nonsense!
 
I didnt bother to read this long winded and doubtless wrong post.
But the problem is regulation not the lack of it. Get the government out of banking and they will clean themselves up. Make the directors liable personally for depositors' money and see how fast things change.
 
One would have thought that America's political and economic leaders would have learned the simple lesson, that financial institutions should not be permitted to sell credit default swap contracts to a buyer unless the buyer owns the loan or bond that is the subject matter of the swap contract

Why?
 
I didnt bother to read this long winded and doubtless wrong post.
But the problem is regulation not the lack of it. Get the government out of banking and they will clean themselves up. Make the directors liable personally for depositors' money and see how fast things change.


"Get the government out of banking and they will clean themselves up. Make the directors liable personally for depositors' money and see how fast things change."


LOL, Do you EVER think before you post? Which is it, get Gov't out or make directors responsible?




Examining the big lie: How the facts of the economic crisis stack up

•The boom and bust was global. Proponents of the Big Lie ignore the worldwide nature of the housing boom and bust.

Nonbank mortgage underwriting exploded from 2001 to 2007, along with the private label securitization market, which eclipsed Fannie and Freddie during the boom.

•Private lenders not subject to congressional regulations collapsed lending standards

Examining the big lie How the facts of the economic crisis stack up The Big Picture


It is clear to anyone who has studied the financial crisis of 2008 that the private sector’s drive for short-term profit was behind it.


More than 84 percent of the sub-prime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending. These private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year. Out of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006, only one was subject to the usual mortgage laws and regulations.

The nonbank underwriters made more than 12 million subprime mortgages with a value of nearly $2 trillion. The lenders who made these were exempt from federal regulations.

Lest We Forget Why We Had A Financial Crisis - Forbes
 
So how many people have been prosecuted under DF

You mean since Obama NOW has regulators on the beat?

You can haven all the regulations imaginable on the books, but if there's only a token handful of underfunded regulators, then it's as if the fetters were neither attached nor locked, and piles of sawblades sitting around. That's the new American way of establishing unfettered capitalism.

Why Prosecutors Don't Go After Wall Street

BUSH GAVE A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD SUMMER 2008

Why Prosecutors Don t Go After Wall Street NPR

“When regulators don’t believe in regulation and don’t get what is going on at the companies they oversee, there can be no major white-collar crime prosecutions,”...“If they don’t understand what we call collective embezzlement, where people are literally looting their own firms, then it’s impossible to bring cases.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/14/business/14prosecute.html?pagewanted=all

The FBI correctly identified the epidemic of mortgage control fraud at such an early point that the financial crisis could have been averted had the Bush administration acted with even minimal competence.
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The Two Documents Everyone Should Read to Better Understand the Crisis William K. Black

Dubya was warned by the FBI of an "epidemic" of mortgage fraud in 2004. He gave them less resources.

FBI saw threat of loan crisis - Los Angeles Times

Shockingly, the FBI clearly makes the case for the need to combat mortgage fraud in 2005, the height of the housing crisis:

Financial Crimes Report to the Public 2005

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/fcs_report2005

The Bush Rubber Stamp Congress ignored the obvious and extremely detailed and well reported crime spree by the FBI.

THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION and CONGRESS stripped the White Collar Crime divisions of money and manpower.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/19/washington/19fbi.html?pagewanted=all

DUBYA FOUGHT ALL 50 STATE AG'S IN 2003, INVOKING A CIVIL WAR ERA RULE SAYING FEDS RULE ON "PREDATORY" LENDERS!
 
Progs are trained to think and spout: Government caused the problem, therefore WE NEED MORE GOVERNMENT!!!
 
Progs are trained to think and spout: Government caused the problem, therefore WE NEED MORE GOVERNMENT!!!
yeah govt. cause the Great depression,,,,,,,,,so ill-conceived...

Yes, the Federal Reserve caused the Great Depression.
Yes, I am glad it was the Federal reserve and not real economic collapse...

The Fed, a private institution neither run by nor accountable to the People of the USA, sucked out 1/3 of the money supply.

You should look it up.
 
Progs are trained to think and spout: Government caused the problem, therefore WE NEED MORE GOVERNMENT!!!
yeah govt. cause the Great depression,,,,,,,,,so ill-conceived...

Yes, the Federal Reserve caused the Great Depression.
Yes, I am glad it was the Federal reserve and not real economic collapse...

The Fed, a private institution neither run by nor accountable to the People of the USA, sucked out 1/3 of the money supply.

You should look it up.
But Hoover would have never allowed that to happen....anymore WND articles you hold dear??
 
Yes additional regulation is needed and there are plenty of unemployed soviet regulators available to provide it! The liberal believes in magical regulation with the same intelligence that causes a child to believe in Santa Claus.
 
Yes additional regulation is needed and there are plenty of unemployed soviet regulators available to provide it! The liberal believes in magical regulation with the same intelligence that causes a child to believe in Santa Claus.
I doubt you'd find a conservative that could go for complete blanket deregulation...
 
Does it matter? Those with all the wealth are protected at all costs in this country. Those in he middle class and lower class are asked to sacrifice. ANd we call it wonderful.
 
Does it matter? Those with all the wealth are protected at all costs in this country.

typical liberal idiot!! Why not ask the stockholders of all the bank that went bankrupt during the housing financial crisis if they were protected??

See why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?
 

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