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Except the only change was that Pandemic.
We had those policies before the Pandemic and after, and the spike only happened when an Orange Buffoon fumbled a Pandemic response and fucked up all our lives.
Only you want him to do it again, for some reason.
Oh, he'd find a way to fuck it up.No, the big change was the Floyd riots and the defund the police movement, added to the Soros prosecutors taking office in various location.
Are you implying another pandemic will miraculously sprout up if Trump wins?
Oh, he'd find a way to fuck it up.
But since none of this has to do with Abortion, I'm done.
I generally will not respond to chopped up posts that destroy context and intent of a person's conversation.
It is unfortunate that you equate a human pregnancy to 'highjacking a uterus.' That is so over the top I'll just leave you to it.
But news flash: that developing human in that uterus had absolutely no choice whatsoever in the whole thing. But it is a developing human being.
And yes, the Founders intended the states could pass whatever laws they wished that were not specifically forbidden by the Constitution.
And those passed by the Puritans were pretty draconian. But every little theocracy that existed at the time the Constitution was ratified had dissolved by the end of the Eighteenth Century and no new ones developed other than the quasi theocracy established by the original Mormons in Utah that has also pretty much voluntarily dissolved.
Yup. And if the doctor says, "folks, there's something wrong we need to do a late term abortion" that should be perfectly legal and the government needs to stay out of the doctors office.
No one walks in to an abortion clinic 7 months pregnant and says I changed my mind.
In fact, the late term abortions are the ones which are most necessary, medically. These are women who don't have a choice.
Canada has no abortion laws at all. Abortion is a matter between the woman and her doctor. The Canadian Supreme Court overturned the laws in 1989, and any attempt to pass new laws has been met with staunch resistance from women.
Not only is abortion legal, it's FREE. It's fully paid for by my provincial health insurance. No co-pays. And our abortion rate is half that of the USA. Because we have paid maternity leave, universal health care, and a generous child tax benefit for poor families.
The way to end abortion is to provide income and health care to pregnant women. Conservatives don't want to end abortion. They want to control women's sexuality.
Canadians have an Asian Invasion problem right? I bet Canadians aren't having as many kids as they used to too right? So you need those asians to fill jobs?In fact, the late term abortions are the ones which are most necessary, medically. These are women who don't have a choice.
Canada has no abortion laws at all. Abortion is a matter between the woman and her doctor. The Canadian Supreme Court overturned the laws in 1989, and any attempt to pass new laws has been met with staunch resistance from women.
Not only is abortion legal, it's FREE. It's fully paid for by my provincial health insurance. No co-pays. And our abortion rate is half that of the USA. Because we have paid maternity leave, universal health care, and a generous child tax benefit for poor families.
The way to end abortion is to provide income and health care to pregnant women. Conservatives don't want to end abortion. They want to control women's sexuality.
I generally will not respond to chopped up posts that destroy context and intent of a person's conversation.
It is unfortunate that you equate a human pregnancy to 'highjacking a uterus.' That is so over the top I'll just leave you to it. But news flash: that developing human in that uterus had absolutely no choice whatsoever in the whole thing. But it is a developing human being.
And yes, the Founders intended the states could pass whatever laws they wished that were not specifically forbidden by the Constitution. And those passed by the Puritans were pretty draconian. But every little theocracy that existed at the time the Constitution was ratified had dissolved by the end of the Eighteenth Century and no new ones developed other than the quasi theocracy established by the original Mormons in Utah that has also pretty much voluntarily dissolved.
Don't have kids you can't afford is the most successful public policy ever. Don't do drugs, failed. Don't bully, failed. But Americans are listening to their parents when they say don't have kids before you have a good job and out of debt. Unfortunately that means having 1 kid when you are 39. No more having 2.3 kids. So our population is shrinking. I think it's a good thing environmentally but our economy needs workers so now I'm pro immigration. South American, Mexicans, Palestinians, Iraqi's (chaldeans. The Christian ones), they all want to come here and take our shitty jobs. And we need to pay for the baby boomers social security.
If we are going to cut social security on anyone let it be Baby Boomers. They have pensions too. And wealth. Americans in the future aren't saving nearly enough to retire like Boomers got to.
That "developing human being" doesn't have a choice because it's not yet a sentient being. "Developing" is the operative word.
Serveral conservative publications have come out with articles which in essence say, that the reason the USA is coming out of the covid economic displacement so successfully, is because of high levels of immigration since the pandemic ended.
You have full employment. Everyone who wants a job, can get one. Immigrants spend money getting established in the USA. Those who arrive with little need furniture, clothing and transportation. The rent housing and buy food. Their spending and their work contributes to GDP.
The U.S. Economy Is Surpassing Expectations. Immigration Is One Reason.
Immigrants aided the pandemic recovery and may be crucial to future needs. The challenge is processing newcomers and getting them where the jobs are.www.nytimes.com
Why the US economy needs more immigrants
A surge in immigration to the United States is projected to impact the economy, labour market, and housing sector. The Congressional Budget Office anticipates a larger and younger workforce, potential effects on average wages, increased productivity, and growth in residential investment.m.economictimes.com
The bald fact is the citizens of majority white first world nations are NOT ever going to be emmigrating to the USA, because, other than the Ukrainians, they're NOT facing war, famine, government instability or economic collapse, due in large part to NATO and the UN. Nobody is suggesting building a Wall to keep the US from being overrun with Canadians. Au contraire, Americans are holding job fairs in Canada trying to lure well educated mostly white Canadians to move to the US.
We already live in countries which have a much better quality of life for their citizens, than you do. We like universal health care that isn't bankrupting our citizens. We like a quality education for ALL of our kids regardless of where they live. We like sound infrastructure, and governments that puts its citizens first.
No political party that took abortion away from women would survive in this country. You people are pussies. You follow the pols like sheep. They work for YOU, not the other way around.
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That "developing human being" doesn't have a choice because it's not yet a sentient being. "Developing" is the operative word.
Serveral conservative publications have come out with articles which in essence say, that the reason the USA is coming out of the covid economic displacement so successfully, is because of high levels of immigration since the pandemic ended.
You have full employment. Everyone who wants a job, can get one. Immigrants spend money getting established in the USA. Those who arrive with little need furniture, clothing and transportation. The rent housing and buy food. Their spending and their work contributes to GDP.
The U.S. Economy Is Surpassing Expectations. Immigration Is One Reason.
Immigrants aided the pandemic recovery and may be crucial to future needs. The challenge is processing newcomers and getting them where the jobs are.
Why the US economy needs more immigrants
A surge in immigration to the United States is projected to impact the economy, labour market, and housing sector. The Congressional Budget Office anticipates a larger and younger workforce, potential effects on average wages, increased productivity, and growth in residential investment.
The bald fact is the citizens of majority white first world nations are NOT ever going to be emmigrating to the USA, because, other than the Ukrainians, they're NOT facing war, famine, government instability or economic collapse, due in large part to NATO and the UN. Nobody is suggesting building a Wall to keep the US from being overrun with Canadians. Au contraire, Americans are holding job fairs in Canada trying to lure well educated mostly white Canadians to move to the US.
We already live in countries which have a much better quality of life for their citizens, than you do. We like universal health care that isn't bankrupting our citizens. We like a quality education for ALL of our kids regardless of where they live. We like sound infrastructure, and governments that puts its citizens first.
No political party that took abortion away from women would survive in this country. You people are pussies. You follow the pols like sheep. They work for YOU, not the other way around.
Does a citizen have a right to his own body? To her own body?
Or does a church or a state retain supremacy over all individuals and their bodies?
It's definitely become a form of post-sex contraception.Most abortions should be banned.
Sadly, the feminist sexual revolution seems to impose that women have the "right" to have sex without biological consequences... to spite men and their lack of biological consequences.Yes, until a separate person incapable of speaking or thinking for themselves comes into play that is 100% dependant on the other.
And laws have rule over someone's body when another person is involved. Just like if you kill someone and you lose control and have to go to jail, if you shoot at cops you give up your life.
But women don't have to give up control of their body. They can not have sex if they don't want to get pregnant, they can use birth control but even that still is a gamble, they can wait till they are ready for a family.
Once an egg is fertilized and implants then it is a person. It's just as much a person after 2 weeks as it is at 2 years. Once the egg is fertilized and implanted then it begins a 18 year growth period to becoming an adult, it is a person, just in very early stages. Because barring any unforseen circumstances that will be born in 9 months.
An abortion is ending a baby growing inside of a woman, that means killing it. There can't be an abortion if there is no life growing.
If had a society that was based on personal responsibility, morals, values and standards abortion wouldn't even be an issue. But we don't, that's why so many people say killing unborn children is a great thing.
The only way it is 100% preventable, is by using Chorionic Villus Sampling (CVS) or Amniocentesis which is a diagnostic test, not the screening they use in Iceland. These diagnostics are the only sure, 100% certain ways, to give accurate results.Down Syndrome is 100% preventable. Iceland has already done it.
In your specious example, a woman does very much give up control of her body. If the state or the church can tell her what she must do or not do during pregnancy, she has no control over her body, you and religious zealots control her body.Yes, until a separate person incapable of speaking or thinking for themselves comes into play that is 100% dependant on the other.
And laws have rule over someone's body when another person is involved. Just like if you kill someone and you lose control and have to go to jail, if you shoot at cops you give up your life.
But women don't have to give up control of their body. They can not have sex if they don't want to get pregnant, they can use birth control but even that still is a gamble, they can wait till they are ready for a family.
Once an egg is fertilized and implants then it is a person. It's just as much a person after 2 weeks as it is at 2 years. Once the egg is fertilized and implanted then it begins a 18 year growth period to becoming an adult, it is a person, just in very early stages. Because barring any unforseen circumstances that will be born in 9 months.
An abortion is ending a baby growing inside of a woman, that means killing it. There can't be an abortion if there is no life growing.
If had a society that was based on personal responsibility, morals, values and standards abortion wouldn't even be an issue. But we don't, that's why so many people say killing unborn children is a great thing.
That is most likely true.Yup. And if the doctor says, "folks, there's something wrong we need to do a late term abortion" that should be perfectly legal and the government needs to stay out of the doctors office.
No one walks in to an abortion clinic 7 months pregnant and says I changed my mind.
Trump said yesterday that us Democrats abort babies after 9 months of pregnancy. We execute babies.This poll is to clarify the mutually exclusive positions that are often conflated on this site.
I'm a mildly interested bystander. I can't give birth. Anyone I might date is probably long past conceiving.
I see many factors and trends that affect the abortion issue. The USA is becoming poorer as medical expenses rise and trust in the healthcare industry decreases. We have a falling birthrate as twentysomethings with poverty and job insecurity delay or cancel plans for parenthood. The religious objections to abortion may fade away as Christianity dies out. And there will be more wars and various other calamities knocking the population down. So I will mostly stand by and watch what happens.
