A well regulated militia.

[Rustic]

The left wants sensible gun control . Not "gun bans". Right away you cons go to extremes.

There is nothing sensible about any type of gun control.

Gun control is all about control has nothing to do with guns… LOL

 

[Timmy]

You guys really sing a different tune when we talk voter ID .

Sophistry.

Nobody is arguing that one shouldn't have to show a legal ID to purchase a gun, just as one has to show an ID to travel on a plane, open a bank account, enter a federal building.....

... but not to vote.

Interesting, huh?

Wrong again . You need to ID yo register . But conservatives want to limit to specific ID in order to surpress votes .

 

[Yousaidwhat]

Nonsense.

You can play the word game any way you like to, but the goal of the left is to remove guns from the hands of honest citizens, as well as those not-so-honest citizens who create problems.

What you call "gun control" is nothing more than a legislated attempt to deny arms of value to all .... whether it be through banning assault weapons because they're black, decreasing magazine sizes, or limiting gun performance.

The left fully understands that you do not have to "ban guns" to disarm the American populace. The rest had better wake up to that fact, too.

What gun control would deny guns to law abiding ?

The government has no fucking right to know who buys what or how many firearms. ''Sensible/universal gun control laws" is dog whistle for firearm registration and nothing good can come out of firearm registration.

Should firearms be available out of vending machines ?

No one saying they should, but the federal government has no right to know anything about any ones legal purchases.
And any government official that thinks so should be abolished...

Gee , it's not like we have a gun problem or anything .

What does knowing who has a gun go to do with infringing rights ?

It's none of your business what we own.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

You guys really sing a different tune when we talk voter ID .

Sophistry.

Nobody is arguing that one shouldn't have to show a legal ID to purchase a gun, just as one has to show an ID to travel on a plane, open a bank account, enter a federal building.....

... but not to vote.

Interesting, huh?

Wrong again . You need to ID yo register . But conservatives want to limit to specific ID in order to surpress votes .

 

[Auld Phart]

You guys really sing a different tune when we talk voter ID .

Sophistry.

Nobody is arguing that one shouldn't have to show a legal ID to purchase a gun, just as one has to show an ID to travel on a plane, open a bank account, enter a federal building.....

... but not to vote.

Interesting, huh?

Wrong again . You need to ID yo register . But conservatives want to limit to specific ID in order to surpress votes .

Hey junior,,,,

Try showing your bus pass to a gun store owner to buy a firearm

 

[RWNJ]

What gun control would deny guns to law abiding ?

The government has no fucking right to know who buys what or how many firearms. ''Sensible/universal gun control laws" is dog whistle for firearm registration and nothing good can come out of firearm registration.

Should firearms be available out of vending machines ?

Who advocates for this?

Fucking moronic.

You do!!! You say there should be no restrictions.

You are an idiot if you believe this.

No. He's just an idiot. No qualifiers are necessary.

 

[ding]

There are those, mostly liberals, who believe that gun ownership should be restricted to militias; as per their interpretation of the Second Amendment. I would have no problem with this. I would simply join a militia. I would encourage every patriot to do the same. This would be a good thing, in my opinion. We would no longer be individual gun owners. We would be a trained group of gun owners. Something that would, no doubt, give liberals nightmares.

You should have a big problem with this. The 2nd Amendment is an Individual Right, not a collective one. Well Regulated back in the Revolutionary Era meant "properly functioning" - not government regulated. In order for Individuals to be able to hold Government Accountable, they need to be free to own and learn how to use their weapons.

You are absolutely correct!

Here is my proof that the Framers intended the militia to be the people themselves and keep and possess their arms.

A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." - Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, WHO ARE PEACEABLE CITIZENS, from keeping their own arms; …" Samuel Adams quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"

"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." - George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops." - Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country." - James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

 

[Rustic]

Nonsense.

You can play the word game any way you like to, but the goal of the left is to remove guns from the hands of honest citizens, as well as those not-so-honest citizens who create problems.

What you call "gun control" is nothing more than a legislated attempt to deny arms of value to all .... whether it be through banning assault weapons because they're black, decreasing magazine sizes, or limiting gun performance.

The left fully understands that you do not have to "ban guns" to disarm the American populace. The rest had better wake up to that fact, too.

What gun control would deny guns to law abiding ?

The government has no fucking right to know who buys what or how many firearms. ''Sensible/universal gun control laws" is dog whistle for firearm registration and nothing good can come out of firearm registration.

Should firearms be available out of vending machines ?

No one saying they should, but the federal government has no right to know anything about any ones legal purchases.
And any government official that thinks so should be abolished...

Gee , it's not like we have a gun problem or anything .

What does knowing who has a gun go to do with infringing rights ?

2016 Real Time Death Statistics in America
Fuck face, it's a non-issue, more people die from getting out of bed or hit by falling trees than people using an ar15 to kill people. Lol

Firearm registration is 100% unconstitutional... fact

 

[Timmy]

The left wants sensible gun control . Not "gun bans". Right away you cons go to extremes.

There is nothing sensible about any type of gun control.

Gun control is all about control has nothing to do with guns… LOL

So you are cool wh felons buying all the guns they want ?

 

[ding]

Well regulated"

If you want to cherry pick lines .

Well regulated does not mean regulations. When the Constitution specifies regulations it specifically states who and what is being regulated. The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. The fundamental purpose of the militia was to serve as a check upon a standing army, the words “well regulated” referred to the necessity that the armed citizens making up the militia have the level of equipment and training necessary to be an effective and formidable check upon the national government’s standing army. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

 

[Rustic]

The government has no fucking right to know who buys what or how many firearms. ''Sensible/universal gun control laws" is dog whistle for firearm registration and nothing good can come out of firearm registration.

Should firearms be available out of vending machines ?

Who advocates for this?

Fucking moronic.

You do!!! You say there should be no restrictions.

You are an idiot if you believe this.

No. He's just an idiot. No qualifiers are necessary.

Timmy just can't help it…

 

[boedicca]

You guys really sing a different tune when we talk voter ID .

Sophistry.

Nobody is arguing that one shouldn't have to show a legal ID to purchase a gun, just as one has to show an ID to travel on a plane, open a bank account, enter a federal building.....

... but not to vote.

Interesting, huh?

Wrong again . You need to ID yo register . But conservatives want to limit to specific ID in order to surpress votes .

If you are copacetic with needing an ID "yo register", then why oh why are your panties in a twist over having to show that ID at the polling place in order to vote?

 

[Timmy]

What gun control would deny guns to law abiding ?

The government has no fucking right to know who buys what or how many firearms. ''Sensible/universal gun control laws" is dog whistle for firearm registration and nothing good can come out of firearm registration.

Should firearms be available out of vending machines ?

No one saying they should, but the federal government has no right to know anything about any ones legal purchases.
And any government official that thinks so should be abolished...

Gee , it's not like we have a gun problem or anything .

What does knowing who has a gun go to do with infringing rights ?

2016 Real Time Death Statistics in America
Fuck face, it's a non-issue, more people die from getting out of bed or hit by falling trees than people using an ar15 to kill people. Lol

Firearm registration is 100% unconstitutional... fact

Fact ? Point me to the Supreme Court case then .

There's virtually no voter fraud . Doesn't stop u righties .

 

[Rustic]

The left wants sensible gun control . Not "gun bans". Right away you cons go to extremes.

There is nothing sensible about any type of gun control.

Gun control is all about control has nothing to do with guns… LOL

So you are cool wh felons buying all the guns they want ?

You do know felons don't buy firearms in general, the vast majority are stolen.
For instance firearms are absolutely illegal in Mexico… Mexico and Guatemala have unbridled violence and killing.

 

[ding]

So you are cool wh felons buying all the guns they want ?

No. That's why the right only applies to peaceable law abiding citizens.

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, WHO ARE PEACEABLE CITIZENS, from keeping their own arms; …" Samuel Adams quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"

 

[Rustic]

The government has no fucking right to know who buys what or how many firearms. ''Sensible/universal gun control laws" is dog whistle for firearm registration and nothing good can come out of firearm registration.

Should firearms be available out of vending machines ?

No one saying they should, but the federal government has no right to know anything about any ones legal purchases.
And any government official that thinks so should be abolished...

Gee , it's not like we have a gun problem or anything .

What does knowing who has a gun go to do with infringing rights ?

2016 Real Time Death Statistics in America
Fuck face, it's a non-issue, more people die from getting out of bed or hit by falling trees than people using an ar15 to kill people. Lol

Firearm registration is 100% unconstitutional... fact

Fact ? Point me to the Supreme Court case then .

There's virtually no voter fraud . Doesn't stop u righties .

Show us where your firearm registration is mandatory? They can't be because mandatory firearm registration is illegal.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

The left wants sensible gun control . Not "gun bans". Right away you cons go to extremes.

There is nothing sensible about any type of gun control.

Gun control is all about control has nothing to do with guns… LOL

So you are cool wh felons buying all the guns they want ?

You Progressives are morons.

We don't want felons getting firearms.

The problem is you think you have to take ours while they keep theirs.

 

[RWNJ]

What gun control would deny guns to law abiding ?

The government has no fucking right to know who buys what or how many firearms. ''Sensible/universal gun control laws" is dog whistle for firearm registration and nothing good can come out of firearm registration.

Should firearms be available out of vending machines ?

No one saying they should, but the federal government has no right to know anything about any ones legal purchases.
And any government official that thinks so should be abolished...

Gee , it's not like we have a gun problem or anything .

What does knowing who has a gun go to do with infringing rights ?

2016 Real Time Death Statistics in America
Fuck face, it's a non-issue, more people die from getting out of bed or hit by falling trees than people using an ar15 to kill people. Lol

Firearm registration is 100% unconstitutional... fact

And registration always leads to confiscation.

 

[Eloy]

There are those, mostly liberals, who believe that gun ownership should be restricted to militias; as per their interpretation of the Second Amendment. I would have no problem with this. I would simply join a militia. I would encourage every patriot to do the same. This would be a good thing, in my opinion. We would no longer be individual gun owners. We would be a trained group of gun owners. Something that would, no doubt, give liberals nightmares.

Were it as simple as every Tom, Dick, and Harry simply signing-up to a so-called militia without a rigorous training program and regular maneuvers, it could hardly be called "well-regulated" now, could it?

Irrelevant. No citizen militia, no matter how well trained, can stand up against a modern military. However, we can conduct guerrilla warfare quite effectively. As long as we have our guns and the will to resist, no army could ever stop us. After all, we outnumber the army by about 300 to one.

You miss the point; 18th century state militias were a guarantee against a United States federal government becoming tyrannical. They flexed their muscle from 1861 to 1865 and lost.

 

[ding]

Yeah . But it's annoys me when people just quote "shall not be infringed ". Just quote the whole thing !

Ok.

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, WHO ARE PEACEABLE CITIZENS, from keeping their own arms; …" Samuel Adams quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country." - James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789