A well regulated militia.

[2aguy]

The left wants sensible gun control . Not "gun bans". Right away you cons go to extremes.

There is nothing sensible about any type of gun control.

Gun control is all about control has nothing to do with guns… LOL

So you are cool wh felons buying all the guns they want ?

No moron...when you catch a felon with a gun, you arrest them and put them in jail...that gun control works every single time........nothing you propose works at all....

 

[2aguy]

Nonsense.

You can play the word game any way you like to, but the goal of the left is to remove guns from the hands of honest citizens, as well as those not-so-honest citizens who create problems.

What you call "gun control" is nothing more than a legislated attempt to deny arms of value to all .... whether it be through banning assault weapons because they're black, decreasing magazine sizes, or limiting gun performance.

The left fully understands that you do not have to "ban guns" to disarm the American populace. The rest had better wake up to that fact, too.

What gun control would deny guns to law abiding ?

The government has no fucking right to know who buys what or how many firearms. ''Sensible/universal gun control laws" is dog whistle for firearm registration and nothing good can come out of firearm registration.

Should firearms be available out of vending machines ?

No one saying they should, but the federal government has no right to know anything about any ones legal purchases.
And any government official that thinks so should be abolished...

Gee , it's not like we have a gun problem or anything .

What does knowing who has a gun go to do with infringing rights ?

We don't have a gun problem moron.....we have a criminal problem and people like you keep putting violent criminals back on the street...even repeat gun felons over and over again till they kill someone......

 

[2aguy]

You guys really sing a different tune when we talk voter ID .

Nope...you show an Id for everything in life....and you should do so to vote...and buy a gun.....a simple photo I'd for both Rights......moron.

 

[2aguy]

The left wants sensible gun control . Not "gun bans". Right away you cons go to extremes.

"Sensible Gun Control" is to Abolishing the 2nd Amendment what ObamaCare is to Single Payer Nationalized Health Care.

Just sayin'.

Ummm . No it's not .

Is it so bad to keep guns away from crazies and criminals?

Or should we have them available out of vending machines ?

Is it so bad to keep guns away from crazies and criminals?

There are thousands of laws on the books already to prevent crazies and criminals from getting firearms.

AND THEY DON'T WORK

Yes they do. It's the shitty gun nut states ruining everything with their lack of control .

Moron.
They have control...the gangs down their use straw buyers who can pass your background checks...then they drive the guns north to sell them...the only illegal act is transferring them to the criminal...and background checks don't stop that...

 

[2aguy]

The left wants sensible gun control . Not "gun bans". Right away you cons go to extremes.

Nope...name your sensible gun control...then explain how it actually works to keep guns from criminals......

 

[Rustic]

You guys really sing a different tune when we talk voter ID .

Nope...you show an Id for everything in life....and you should do so to vote...and buy a gun.....a simple photo I'd for both Rights......moron.

No doubt, I average couple dozen Insta checks a day for people buying firearms at my store. It literally takes minutes... done. But it should take only seconds…
Fucking progressives have to be helpless to think thatS hard to produce an ID… No wonder them fuckers want a nanny state

 

[2aguy]

The left wants sensible gun control . Not "gun bans". Right away you cons go to extremes.

I am not going to let you get away with just throwing out "sensible gun control" as if that is an intelligent thing to say and then not give specifics...you anti gunners...having had your "sensible gun control" ideas exposed for how stupid they are, are no longer stating specifics.....because when challenged you look like idiots...

So.....name specific gun control laws you want, then explain how they work mechanically to stop criminals...and mass shooters....

here is one state implementing Universal Background checks and the stupidity that ensues when you try to sell a gun privately....

The goal of the anti gunners here...get gun stores to refuse to do background checks because they are a hassle...that means that private sales end.....because they will not be able to get the checks done......that is what anti gunners want, and why they set them up this way......

Also, they cannot work without gun registration...the crown jewel in the anti gun collection...


Missoula, Montana Highlights the Inanity of "Universal Background Checks" - The Truth About Guns


On October 27, the Missoula, Montana City Council enacted an ordinance mandating “universal background checks.” Asabcfoxmontana.com reports, the people at the sharp end are none too happy with the new law.

Here’s how it works:

If a gun owner wants to sell a gun, he must bring that gun to a federally licensed firearm dealer. The dealer then essentially takes ownership of the gun while he does a background check on the buyer. If that buyer fails the background check, the dealer now has to do a background check on the gun owner in order to return the gun to him. If the owner fails the background check, now the dealer is left with a gun he doesn’t want and he’s out all the time he invested in getting the background checks.

That’s why many gun shops are saying they are choosing not to participate.

“We run into a major logistical nightmare. And it’s not good business sense. We’re going to tie up more time and energy into the entire situation then we could deem even charging a fee to do that for the public. So just from a business standpoint, it does not make good sense for us,” says Bob Burton, manager of Grizzly Gold & Silver.

According to the fine-print of the ordinance, guns shops are allowed to choose to opt in or out.

So what if all of Missoula’s federally-licensed gun storesand FFLs in the surrounding areas opt out? One can only assume that private sellers and buyers will ignore the law and conduct their transactions illegally — which they may do even if there’s a willing FFL to save time, money and government oversight.

 

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The government has no fucking right to know who buys what or how many firearms. ''Sensible/universal gun control laws" is dog whistle for firearm registration and nothing good can come out of firearm registration.

Should firearms be available out of vending machines ?

No one saying they should, but the federal government has no right to know anything about any ones legal purchases.
And any government official that thinks so should be abolished...

Gee , it's not like we have a gun problem or anything .

What does knowing who has a gun go to do with infringing rights ?

2016 Real Time Death Statistics in America
Fuck face, it's a non-issue, more people die from getting out of bed or hit by falling trees than people using an ar15 to kill people. Lol

Firearm registration is 100% unconstitutional... fact

Fact ? Point me to the Supreme Court case then .

There's virtually no voter fraud . Doesn't stop u righties .

So, tell us .... how do you know there is "virtually no voter fraud" since you don't allow ID checks?

Sounds like wishful thinking .... without a shred of evidence.

 

[Spare_change]

The left wants sensible gun control . Not "gun bans". Right away you cons go to extremes.

Yes, we've seen your attempts at final solutions before.....

"final solution" ... what an interesting choice of words

 

[Spare_change]

Don't go down that road the 2nd amendment is clear. The right of the PEOPLE to bear arms shall not be infringed. Not the militia, not the government, not the army, the PEOPLE. It can not be clearer.

Then why include all that "militia " stuff?

Because the militia was formed from the PEOPLE

And ?

Hey, did the founding fathers have to show state issued photo ID to vote ?

what do they have to hide by not showing their ID

Maybe they don't have one that's accepted under the restrictions.

Example . Old man hasn't driven in 10 years . He has his old photo ID drivers license. But it's expired . He walks into the polling place he's used for decades , he knows all the people who work there. He's denied his right to vote because that ID doesn't count .

Good point --- there's probably 7 of them .... nationwide!

 

[Spare_change]

Because the militia was formed from the PEOPLE

And ?

Hey, did the founding fathers have to show state issued photo ID to vote ?

what do they have to hide by not showing their ID

Maybe they don't have one that's accepted under the restrictions.

Example . Old man hasn't driven in 10 years . He has his old photo ID drivers license. But it's expired . He walks into the polling place he's used for decades , he knows all the people who work there. He's denied his right to vote because that ID doesn't count .

why doesn't it?

Because the point of these laws is to disenfranchise voters .

So tell us ..... just exactly how does a law requiring you to prove who you are disenfranchise you?

 

[kaz]

There are already gun control laws on the books, they are not enforced. Mandatory firearm registration is absolutely unconstitutional… fact

Name these laws that aren't being enforced ? That's bullshit propaganda .

Every violent criminal that is released out of prison, that's the laws that are not being enforced. Repeat criminals can you understand that? repeat criminals can you understand that? Vast majority of violent crimes are done by repeat criminals can you understand that? That means they were let out too early you dumbass motherfucker. Can you understand that? If they were not release they would not be repeating their crimes can you understand?

You need to quit falling down the fucking well... lol

Lol! What's the matter? Can't handle being called out on your NRA propaganda bullshit?

You said "gun control laws not being enforced ". Now it's "criminals being let out" ?!?

1) not every crime is a life sentence .

2) what do you care if they are criminals . According to you gun nuts they shouldn't be restricted from owning a gun.

From the guy who thinks government can't infringe on your rights means you have no rights other than what government decides to give you ...

Of course they can infringe on rights . Sensible gun control is not an infringement. It balances the safety of Americans .

I believe in free speech . Doesn't mean I can scream insults outside your window at 2am .

So by "shall not be infringed" they meant "they can infringe?" Were they just not very good writers?

And screaming insults out your window at 2am is an action. You can't shoot your gun out your window at 2am either. Just owning a gun is a false equivalency to that, you're not harming anyone. And your gun laws do nothing to stop criminals from having them, they are completely ineffective except to disarm the honest citizens and make us more vulnerable

 

[kaz]

what do they have to hide by not showing their ID

Maybe they don't have one that's accepted under the restrictions.

Example . Old man hasn't driven in 10 years . He has his old photo ID drivers license. But it's expired . He walks into the polling place he's used for decades , he knows all the people who work there. He's denied his right to vote because that ID doesn't count .

why doesn't it?

Because the point of these laws is to disenfranchise voters .

Not one citizen in this country has been denied the right to vote and you can't name one for that reason. So go ahead, give it a try, retard

Have you not seen all these legal challenges to these laws ?

So no, let the record show you can't name one citizen of this country who has been denied the ability to vote. That's because there is no one. Democrats like to make up the dragons you go out to slay

 

[kaz]

And ?

Hey, did the founding fathers have to show state issued photo ID to vote ?

what do they have to hide by not showing their ID

Maybe they don't have one that's accepted under the restrictions.

Example . Old man hasn't driven in 10 years . He has his old photo ID drivers license. But it's expired . He walks into the polling place he's used for decades , he knows all the people who work there. He's denied his right to vote because that ID doesn't count .

why doesn't it?

Because the point of these laws is to disenfranchise voters .

So tell us ..... just exactly how does a law requiring you to prove who you are disenfranchise you?

He's not old enough to have a drivers license

 

[kaz]

Every violent criminal that is released out of prison, that's the laws that are not being enforced. Repeat criminals can you understand that? repeat criminals can you understand that? Vast majority of violent crimes are done by repeat criminals can you understand that? That means they were let out too early you dumbass motherfucker. Can you understand that? If they were not release they would not be repeating their crimes can you understand?

You need to quit falling down the fucking well... lol

Lol! What's the matter? Can't handle being called out on your NRA propaganda bullshit?

You said "gun control laws not being enforced ". Now it's "criminals being let out" ?!?

1) not every crime is a life sentence .

2) what do you care if they are criminals . According to you gun nuts they shouldn't be restricted from owning a gun.

From the guy who thinks government can't infringe on your rights means you have no rights other than what government decides to give you ...

Of course they can infringe on rights . Sensible gun control is not an infringement. It balances the safety of Americans .

I believe in free speech . Doesn't mean I can scream insults outside your window at 2am .

You can shove them "sensible gun laws" up your ass, because that dog whistle for firearm registration… fact
Lol

We should have national registration. It would prevent straw purchasers and doesn't infringe on your right to bear .

Would having to register for free speech infringe on your right to free speech? I'd say yes.

Liberals talking about gun control is particularly sick since you're the ones who demand the southern borders remain open to anyone who wants to come here bringing anything they want to bring. The flow of drugs into this country proving what sick fucks you are and how disingenuous your gun arguments are. They can and do bring guns the exact same way.

It's about the power of government to you, that's it. Gun laws accomplish nothing else

 

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what do they have to hide by not showing their ID

Maybe they don't have one that's accepted under the restrictions.

Example . Old man hasn't driven in 10 years . He has his old photo ID drivers license. But it's expired . He walks into the polling place he's used for decades , he knows all the people who work there. He's denied his right to vote because that ID doesn't count .

why doesn't it?

Because the point of these laws is to disenfranchise voters .

So tell us ..... just exactly how does a law requiring you to prove who you are disenfranchise you?

He's not old enough to have a drivers license

Reckon that solves the voting problem, then.

 

[kaz]

Name these laws that aren't being enforced ? That's bullshit propaganda .

Every violent criminal that is released out of prison, that's the laws that are not being enforced. Repeat criminals can you understand that? repeat criminals can you understand that? Vast majority of violent crimes are done by repeat criminals can you understand that? That means they were let out too early you dumbass motherfucker. Can you understand that? If they were not release they would not be repeating their crimes can you understand?

You need to quit falling down the fucking well... lol

Lol! What's the matter? Can't handle being called out on your NRA propaganda bullshit?

You said "gun control laws not being enforced ". Now it's "criminals being let out" ?!?

1) not every crime is a life sentence .

2) what do you care if they are criminals . According to you gun nuts they shouldn't be restricted from owning a gun.

From the guy who thinks government can't infringe on your rights means you have no rights other than what government decides to give you ...

Of course they can infringe on rights . Sensible gun control is not an infringement. It balances the safety of Americans .

I believe in free speech . Doesn't mean I can scream insults outside your window at 2am .

But you are not required to register to speak and you aren't arrested till you violate the Rights of others with your speech......you want to violate the Rights of gun owners who have broken no law and committed no crime....

That is the key point, and it sailed right over his head, like most everything else ...

 

[kaz]

From the guy who thinks government can't infringe on your rights means you have no rights other than what government decides to give you ...

Of course they can infringe on rights . Sensible gun control is not an infringement. It balances the safety of Americans .

I believe in free speech . Doesn't mean I can scream insults outside your window at 2am .

You can shove them "sensible gun laws" up your ass, because that dog whistle for firearm registration… fact
Lol

We should have national registration. It would prevent straw purchasers and doesn't infringe on your right to bear .

Never, mandatory national registration is absolutely unconstitutional. If the federal government tried such a thing millions on both sides would die. Rightly so
So called "straw Purchasers" do not buy most of the firearms for violent criminals, you have no proof. The vast vast majority of violent crimes are done by repeat criminals/gangbangers and the vast majority of them get their firearms from stealing them and/or from south of the border where they can buy firearms in bulk for pennies on the dollar for what they would paid for them here… fact

"Stealing " . All those are stolen?! Lol. You idiot . Shady people sell their guns to criminals , they ain't being stolen.

Since most crimes are committed with illegal guns, how is making more laws to control the guns that aren't committing the crimes going to help again, wheelchair boy?