A quick question for Christians

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    As you believe, every man or woman 'goes somewhere' after they die, depending on how they lived their lives.

    Where do animals go? Does it depend on how they lived their lives? If I have a gooood Dooooggg, does he go to dog heaven where he gets pet all day with all the doggie biscuits he desires? What of simpler species, like ants? Are ants judged by the actions they take in their lives? Where do they go when they die?
     
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    There is only mild Biblical implication that they are saved.

    Although the point of the whole thing has nothing to do with that, so it really is not totally provable nor relevant to salvation.
     
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    Not exactly accurate - It's not about things people 'do' which leads them to where they will spend eternity; but the faith they show.

    Where there exists no soul, there exists no chance of salvation or damnation. There's no/little biblical evidence animals contain a soul. I'd argue animals die like plants die. Their 'bodies' just stop working, and then there is nothing.
     
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    What does it matter?
     
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    Unless you are a Christian that believes in Predestination or a Catholic that believes in Predestination correct? I know there are differences between the two predestination theories.
     
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    Doesn't matter - even those 'predestined' to have faith, still are saved, based on that faith.

    imo, 'prestination' is a :bs: concept.

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    Ohhh...

    See I learned that Christians Predestination is basically this:

    For Calvin, the point of the doctrine of predestination was to remind us that God is free and gracious. There is nothing that we can do to earn God's favor. Rather, our salvation comes from God alone. We are able to choose God because God first chose us.

    Properly understood, the doctrine of predestination frees us from speculating about who is saved and who is not. God has already taken care of these matters in the mystery of God's own being. We are called to hear God's good news in Jesus Christ and to trust in God through Jesus Christ.

    For the preaching of the Gospel is to be heard, and it is to be believed; and it is to be held as beyond doubt that if you believe and are in Christ, you are elected. (Second Helvetic Confession, 5.059)

    While I learned this about Catholic Predestination when I used to go to church:

    The Catholic Church, following St. Augustine (e.g., Grace and Free Will, 1,1; Sermon 169, 11,13), accepts predestination of the elect to heaven, but also affirms the freedom of the human will, thus staking out a position distinct from Calvinism. Predestination to hell, in Catholicism, always involves man's free will, and foreseen sins, so that man is ultimately responsible for his own damnation, not God (double predestination is rejected).

    God is sovereign, in our view, every bit as much as in Protestantism (particularly Calvinism), as will amply be demonstrated below. All that is disputed are the intricacies of the grace / free will antinomy, which is one of the most mysterious and difficult questions in the history of both Christian theology and theistic philosophy. Of course, the allowance of free will is also present in Lutheran, Anglican, Methodist, most charismatic, non-denominational and Baptist theologies, etc.

    The Catholic Church affirms predestination as a de fide dogma (the highest level of binding theological certainty), while at the same time affirming free will and the possibility of falling away from the faith.

    I just wanted to make sure I understood correctly. :D
     
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    Animals do not die like plants - that is a horrible thing to believe.

    If the only animal with a soul is the human then why would there ever be a world without the human. What would be the purpose of having a whole planet of "PLANTS"...

    Why would this planet have been covered by dinosaurs without any humans?
    Ohh, maybe you don't believe in dinosaurs.:eek:
     
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    Humans are not 'animals'. This world at one time DID contain what we now call dinosours. There would NOT be a world without humans. God created this world as a place FOR humans.

    :)

    When an animal dies - that's it. it's existance is over. When we die, the soul created within us moves into a realm of God or a realm of 'Godlessness'.
     
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    If there would not be a world without humans then WHY did god make a world of only dinosaurs and then kill them all?
     

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