A Matter of Faith...

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    <blockquote>" There are five things which have a twofold result in this life. What five?...[Knowledge based on] faith, likes, tradition, reflection on form and delight in views. Even if I know something on the basis of faith, that might be empty, hollow and confused, while what I do not know on the basis of faith may be factual, true and not otherwise. It is not proper for an intelligent being, safeguarding the truth, to come categorically to the the conclusion that such alone is true and whatever else is false."</blockquote>

    It must be noted tht the single chief determinant in religious belief is being raised within a particular religious tradition. While Christians fervently believe that they and they alone have a place in heaven, Muslims believe just as fervently that only they have a place in heaven. Both cannot be right, but they can both be wrong. But both accept on faith that their view is the only correct view.

    Faith can, ultimately, blind us to such an extent that no evidence contrary to that article of faith will be accepted, and such dagmatic adherence to faith can lead us into dark places unfit for human life. The philosopher Karl Popper once stated that "...The difference between science and dogma is that scientific theory must always be open to falsification on the basis of evidence...". Dogma, on the other hand, is not open to such falsification on the basis of evidence...It is thus and thus alone, evidence to the contrary not withstanding.

    Unquestioning faith is also a sign of intellectual laziness. It is far easier to blindly accept what one is told than to question the facts of what one is told. It takes timeand effort to move beyond the dogma, and often such questioning has social costs attached as well...i.e. ostracism, shaming, hostility. It is not an easy thing, to question the beliefs one is expected to hold and all too many seem willing to take the easy waty out.
     
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    Liberalism is the most pernicious sytem of dogma out there. You guys refuse to look at reality. In your view, gore won, the economy is in the toilet, unemployment is at an all time high, tax cuts don't stimulate the economy, Iraq is a failed mission. All are lies and distortion.

    You need to look at yourself, believer of lies.
     
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    Amen Bullypulpit.


    rtwngAvngr, I resent that, I very much pride myself at looking at the reality in all things. There is no reason for me to 'look at myself', lies are what I see when I read that God created the world in a week, and what I see when President Bush speaks. That is not to say other polititians don't lie - it is a dirty game - but it is ridiculous to act as if Bush is a righteous leader - he is not a healthy leader - he thinks god wants him to be president - one's core abilities to lead a free society don't get anymore curopt than that.
     
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    I find it funny you claim the Bible is full of lies, and you don't want to look at yourself.

    What you have just said is that you run your own race and don't want your illusions shattered by reality no matter what.

    Now you get all offended when proven wrong because your ego is bruised.

    Welcome to reality.

    Justice and truth are not determined by what you feel, but by reality its self.
     
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    I look at myself every hour of every day, I don't know where that assumption that I don't came from. Who the fuck are you to tell me I don't 'look at myself'!?
    I am part of the human race. That's what I do - Look at reality - not a 2000 year old book.
    My ego is strong, again a random comment, I am not offended, and you haven't proven shit.

    That was the dumbest set of lines I have ever seen Newguy, absolutely astounding.

    You are quite self-righteous welcoming me to reality - Christians are the ones who don't want their illusions shattered by reality no matter what. THAT'S WHAT THIS THREAD WAS ABOUT. And I'm ignoring reality. YOU need to look at yourself, and how closed your mind is - ohh wait - you don't, cause their is no consequence for you not adhering to science! Science doesn't need false promises and false punishments to gain followers - because it has FACTS, and LOGICAL INFERENCES.


    You are ridiculous. Your satements are ridiculous and completely out of nowhere. You are hopeless to talk to, you are a hypocrit, and you are going to reply to this post with a pile of shit bigger than a Rhinoceros'.
     
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    pssst...Modu$...you are wigging out, my nubian brother. ;)

    If you look for 'reality' you'd 'real'ize the 'book' written 2000 years ago IS true. "Really"

    ;)

    :D
     
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    Gee....

    :rolleyes:

    Good to know books cannot be real, and that as things get "old" they aren't real either.

    :)

    :cof:

    My friend, you tread into waters of which you know not the depth.

    :cof: :D

    Wow. Nice post. Is it your age or IQ that almost breaks the single digit barrier?

    How about proving your points with some of that "factual science" for me?

    I have trouble understanding some of it as I am only an uneducated Bible following kind of guy.
     
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    Your ego is strong and you didn't get offended and you respond like that? :slap:
     
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    No need to look at myself any further in any other way which I haven't - like you so blindly suggest I need to do.
     
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    -And you are the ultimate authority on that, right?
     

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