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You confuse "justify your position" with "justify the position I have falsely attributed to you".
"Or perhaps pro-life supports recognize that there is indeed a substantial difference between a fetus and a baby they just don't want to admit that they are more anti-abortion than they are pro-life."
This is the one I was talking about. Please cite and link some support.
Ah, so you falsely attribute as directed.
Shocker.
I don't waste time arguing against falsely attributed stances, just as I don't argue points I've never made.
Your level of non-caring is evident, trust me. It shines through every post. You don't care about babies, women, and you also don't care about reality or fact.
You just don't care.
Or perhaps pro-life supports recognize that there is indeed a substantial difference between a fetus and a baby they just don't want to admit that they are more anti-abortion than they are pro-life.
But I understand the need to dismiss the hypocrisy as something "I just can't understand" when you fail to justify your position.
Many pro-life people believe there is a difference between a fetus and a baby. The liberal need to paint all of their opposition with the same brush is a clearly visibile indicator of the poverty of the liberal ability to THINK.
Again dont have sex and you dont have to have an abortion.True enough. BUt anyone can feed the baby if the mother decides she doesn't want to deal with that shit. Now, when we can take fetuses out of wombs and put them into anti-abortion assholes, you might have an argument here.
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I never said that socialized medicine is evil. They werent trying to kill me it is just a trade off. With the system we have the hospitals are doctors are in it to make money and to avoid possible law suits. They will go overboard in ensuring that there is nothing wrong with you and if there is they treat it. Sure they make mistakes there is no perfect system. When it comes to Socialized Medicine they want to do as little as possible because there main concern is saving money. So when it comes to whether or not the give you a test is if they think you really need one. When they decide whether or not they are going to give you medicine they decide based on your chance to survive. They have the minimum number of beds and doctors to get the job done so you have to wait longer for services.So two of your examples are underdeleopled countries, one is a military system not designed to treat children, and Germany. Sorry, not making a convincing case for "socialized medicine is Eeeeeevil". Your argument was that you couldn't get timely treatment, not that they made wrong diagnosis. 96,000 American die every year because of medical mistakes in this country.
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One I dont believe in religion so that has nothing to do with my feelings. My standards are why does an unborn child have to die because two people decide to have unprotected sex? Now if you want to promote free services to where they can be castrated or have their tubes tied we can talk.Goody for you. Not seeing why everyone else has to live to your standard because of your silly religious beliefs.
You confuse "justify your position" with "justify the position I have falsely attributed to you".
That is entirely possible.
pro-life supports believe abortion is the murder of an innocent baby.
Am I mistaken?
Again dont have sex and you dont have to have an abortion.True enough. BUt anyone can feed the baby if the mother decides she doesn't want to deal with that shit. Now, when we can take fetuses out of wombs and put them into anti-abortion assholes, you might have an argument here.
No, they have the right to decide to have sex, and they have the right to terminate any unwanted pregnancies. Not only is that the LAW in this country, it's just common sense. Unless you want to start throwing pregnant women in jail and sending them to "Breeder Camps". Just because they don't do what you want (A standard by your own admission, you couldn't meet!) doesn't give you a say.
When you support taking care of these kids AFTER they are born, I'll start taking you seriously about what happens tothem before they are born. Or not.
First, are you just as keen to think that privatized medicine isn't just as keen to save money as socialized medicine? Even more so, they have to make up profits. So they disallow "pre-existing conditions" and get rid of people like myself who run up too many medical bills on their plan.
And again, Industrialized countries with universal health care have longer life expectencies and lower infant mortality rates than Americans.
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One I dont believe in religion so that has nothing to do with my feelings. My standards are why does an unborn child have to die because two people decide to have unprotected sex? Now if you want to promote free services to where they can be castrated or have their tubes tied we can talk.Goody for you. Not seeing why everyone else has to live to your standard because of your silly religious beliefs.
Again- YOU CALL IT an "unborn child". I call it a fetus. My term is technically accurate, yours isn't. So we are talking about your BELIEF it's a person, not any scientific, legal or practical matter. If it can't live outside a womb, it's the owner of that womb's decision. Period.
In his wisdom dictator Nicolae Ceausescu decided in the mid-1960s that Romania ought to have 25 million people. At the time the population was 19 million. He designated the title "Heroine Mother" for any woman who bore and brought up ten or more children. For seven to nine children a woman won the order of "Maternal Glory." For five or six children she was given the "Maternity Medal."
In their wisdom the mothers of Romania, living in cramped quarters with a poor diet and a declining standard of living, decided that, medals or no medals, they could not support large families. They were having on average less than two children apiece. If that reproduction rate continued, Romania's population would begin to fall.
The pill and the intrauterine device had never been allowed in the country. Other modern means of contraception were essentially unavailable. The women were maintaining their low birth rate with the only option open to them -- abortion, which was legal and available on a walk-in basis at any local clinic for a fee of about $2. In 1966 in Romania there were four abortions for every live birth.
In that year, with no warning, Ceausescu issued Decree No. 770 prohibiting abortion. He did nothing to make contraceptives more available. He was not motivated by concern for families or unborn children; he wanted a larger labor force.
In 1967 the Romanian birth rate doubled. Then it started dropping. Within ten years it was nearly as low as it had been before, though there had been no change in policy.
Finally, at a crowded party, with my official spies momentarily out of hearing range, I had an opportunity to find out. I was talking to the head of obstetrics at a major Bucharest hospital. I told him I wondered how the birth rate had fallen, and then I asked, "What has happened to your maternal mortality rate?"
He looked straight at me. He got my drift. "It has become very, very high," he said with great sadness. In nearly every country women who die of complications from abortion, legal or illegal, are listed in health statistics as maternal mortalities. Later I saw some actual figures. As the birth rate came down in Romania after Decree 770, the maternal mortality rate tripled.
Ceausescu's policy to increase the Romanian population failed to achieve its goal. It imposed pain, injury, and death on Romanian women
You confuse "justify your position" with "justify the position I have falsely attributed to you".
That is entirely possible.
pro-life supports believe abortion is the murder of an innocent baby.
Am I mistaken?
Very. Some pro-life people believe that, and others don't. We're not as unibrained as liberals.
You're an idiot.
"Fetus" is just a label, like "baby", that identifies a human being at a particular stage of development.
Stages of life of a human:
embryo
fetus
infant
child
adolescent
adult
aged
You're a narrow minded, and ignorant, moron. We have discussed this particular topic on here many times, with the pro-life people saying repeatedly that "fetus" is just a development/age description that in no way affects the HUMANITY of a human.