A precedent for those arguing against reparations

[IM2]

I think we need to become better informed as citizens of this country. There are things people here argue against with no knowledge of what they are, or even if they have ever happened before. When blacks talk about reparations it is because a precedent has been set by this government whereby they have attempted to redress wrongs their policies have created. In this case we will look at will pertain to the General Allotment Act, better known as the Dawes Act of 1887. So as we will read the many sad responses detailing why blacks should not get reparations for things when we were not alive for and how whites today should not be paying for things they did not do, realize that in 2009 the government of this country decided you would be paying Native Americans for something that happened 122 years after the fact and that none of you were alive when the Dawes Act was passed. But you are paying for it.

Personally I feel the awarded amount was not enough. But I'm using YOUR rhetoric so that you understand.

Cobell v. Salazar - Wikipedia
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website.
How the Cobell Case Impacted Indian Land Policies
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website
Cobell v. Salazar
cobell v. salazar - Yahoo Search Results

From your first link: "The plaintiffs claim that the U.S. government has incorrectly accounted for the income from Indian trust assets, which are legally owned by the Department of the Interior, but held in trust for individual Native Americans (the beneficial owners)."

So it had nothing to do with reparations. Please try again.

You don't know what reparations are if this is what you think.

Treaty obligations. Not the same thing. Where's your black treaty?

It is the same thing.

 

[Dale Smith]

So? Send me your address, your name and a amount that you believe that I owe you...please divide it by a factor 37 million since that is how many black folks live in the USA.

My suggestion to you is to stop pissing and moaning about how you believe that those that suffered the yoke of slavery (that ended 155 years ago) entitles you and those of your ilk to even more welfare and entitlements. My great grandfather was a full blooded Natchez native American on my father's side from Alabama and I haven't received diddly squat in reparations nor have I asked for any. Get off of your fat ass and make your own way instead of wallowing in victimhood. The LBJ "War on Poverty" has only created generations of welfare seekers. The world does not owe you a "giving".

My suggestion to you is: shut up and know that whites are where they are only because of legislation.

Because you are not a full blooded Natchez therefore you can't ask for reparations. So get better informed before you try arguing with me. You see, I did make my own way. It started with my degrees and continues now with 36 years of research on these matters.

I have black blood, Native American blood flowing through my veins that make up my DNA. I have busted my ass to eek out an existence on this shitty prison planet ruled by 13 bloodline families that go back to the days of the Egyptians that believe that they have the divine right to rule and all roads to indeed lead to Rome. Your alleged "36 years of research" claim amuses me greatly because it reeks of political correctness taught to you by Marxists that want to keep the black race subservient to them and keep them on the plantation. I will debate you any time and on any issue. I know of what I speak. I have brothers and sisters from every ethnicity that understands the nature of the cage that are fighting with me to expose this debt slavery system.

You have one of two choices....you can go back and read my prior posts that contain HJR 192 and the Federal Reserve Act using my name and the search feature or you can ignore me because you can't take me on in a debate.....the choice is yours but I will never stop replying to your divisive and racist diatribes whether you see them or not.

I can take you on easily Dale. You talk stupid. I know exactly what you are talking about and most of it is conspiracy theory garbage. Name the 13 families. I bet it starts off with the Rothschilds. You call what I say racist, but between you and I, I'm the one with the truth. Documented truth, all 360 degrees of it. .

Your grandfather did not have sex with the woman who birthed you. So talking about your grandfathers race is irrelevant to this conversation. There ain't no plantation Dale. And no one cares how hard you say you worked. We all worked hard around here. Whites are where they are because of legislation. And you really don't want to talk about HJRS?

I have a third choice Dale, tear your raggedy argument apart. .

So start a thread Dale. Then tell me what section it's in. Maybe you might want to look at PL 93-373. Because we can buy, sell and trade gold coins today as much as we want. There was a reason for HJR 192 and Executive Order 6102. It was called the great depression.

Nope, the 13 bloodline families are mostly of Italian descent and the Kazarian court Jews are just pawns and put out in front to deflect attention away from the Jesuits and the Vatican....the Learned Elders of Zion manifesto? It was written by the Jesuits.

You claim that I talk of "conspiracy theories"? Nope, I am a conspiracy analyst with thousands upon thousands of hours of due diligence seeking the truth as to how this debt slavery system still flourishes. Black, white, red, yellow, etc, etc......the tint of one skin doesn't mean a damn thing in the great big scheme of it all. Divide and conquer by using racial, political, economic and gender warfare in order to keep our focus elsewhere. Your "struggle" is no different than anyone else's but those of your ilk do most of the whining while depending on those that don't want to see you succeed......and that is truth.

No, my grandfather did not have sex with the woman that birthed me....but your mother wasn't a slave and neither was her mother OR father. Legislation has put whites like me in an elevated position? I would sure like to see that because I have had to scratch my way through this world and no one gave me a free pass because of the tint of my skin.

Please, by all means, tear my "raggedy argument" apart and be sure to give source documentation. Gold was a means of exchange before FDR pledged our labor as surety against the debt due to the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of USA.INC and made the Federal Reserve Notes "legal tender"....do you know what a "note" is according to Black's Law Dictionary? It's a debt, sister....it's a debt note with interest attached to every FRN that is created and borrowed into existence. We can buy gold now but it can't be used to settle debts as it pertains to those of USA.INC, a corporate entity that was taken into receivership by the IMF after USA.INC went bankrupt yet again in 1950. I have no doubt that you haven't a clue as to how the Great Depression was artificially created and the crooks behind it....but I do. Woodrow Wilson and FDR sold out American to the banking oligarchs that are the shadow government.

I don't need to start yet another thread because I have covered this all before to ad nauseum. The bottom line is that we are all in the same boat....just because some are only waist high in shit doesn't make them better off than those that are up to their armpits in shit. What should matter is the fact that we are standing in shit to begin with...regardless of how high it is.

I eagerly await your rebuttal.........

My mother was forced to sit in the back of buses, refused entry into college because they don't allow blacks, had to get off the fucking sidewalks when whites were on it, had to watch a white girl spit in her sisters mouth and could not vote until she was 40. Just to name a few things. We are not in the same boat, and if you want to discuss the programs whites alone received as part of the depression, start a tread.

White people stood up for blacks about the immoral Jim Crow rules in the south and suffered accordingly for doing so but it was the right thing to do and I would have done so myself had I been alive when Bull Connor and George Wallace were trying to keep blacks from attending schools and colleges and all the other racist unwritten and written rules that made deemed them as second class citizens...what is so ironic to me is that all Americans, regardless of skin tint were considered "enemy combatants" due to a few changes in the 1917 "Trading With The Enemy" Act in 1933 and all allodial rights to property were lost.

BTW, George Washington Carver was able to go to college even before Jim Crow rules. You are using the tint of your skin as a crutch and an excuse for not being where you want to be....rise above it already.

 

[Taz]

I think we need to become better informed as citizens of this country. There are things people here argue against with no knowledge of what they are, or even if they have ever happened before. When blacks talk about reparations it is because a precedent has been set by this government whereby they have attempted to redress wrongs their policies have created. In this case we will look at will pertain to the General Allotment Act, better known as the Dawes Act of 1887. So as we will read the many sad responses detailing why blacks should not get reparations for things when we were not alive for and how whites today should not be paying for things they did not do, realize that in 2009 the government of this country decided you would be paying Native Americans for something that happened 122 years after the fact and that none of you were alive when the Dawes Act was passed. But you are paying for it.

Personally I feel the awarded amount was not enough. But I'm using YOUR rhetoric so that you understand.

Cobell v. Salazar - Wikipedia
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website.
How the Cobell Case Impacted Indian Land Policies
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website
Cobell v. Salazar
cobell v. salazar - Yahoo Search Results

From your first link: "The plaintiffs claim that the U.S. government has incorrectly accounted for the income from Indian trust assets, which are legally owned by the Department of the Interior, but held in trust for individual Native Americans (the beneficial owners)."

So it had nothing to do with reparations. Please try again.

You don't know what reparations are if this is what you think.

Treaty obligations. Not the same thing. Where's your black treaty?

It is the same thing.

No it's not, you must be having another psychotic episode.

 

[IM2]

I think we need to become better informed as citizens of this country. There are things people here argue against with no knowledge of what they are, or even if they have ever happened before. When blacks talk about reparations it is because a precedent has been set by this government whereby they have attempted to redress wrongs their policies have created. In this case we will look at will pertain to the General Allotment Act, better known as the Dawes Act of 1887. So as we will read the many sad responses detailing why blacks should not get reparations for things when we were not alive for and how whites today should not be paying for things they did not do, realize that in 2009 the government of this country decided you would be paying Native Americans for something that happened 122 years after the fact and that none of you were alive when the Dawes Act was passed. But you are paying for it.

Personally I feel the awarded amount was not enough. But I'm using YOUR rhetoric so that you understand.

Cobell v. Salazar - Wikipedia
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website.
How the Cobell Case Impacted Indian Land Policies
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website
Cobell v. Salazar
cobell v. salazar - Yahoo Search Results

From your first link: "The plaintiffs claim that the U.S. government has incorrectly accounted for the income from Indian trust assets, which are legally owned by the Department of the Interior, but held in trust for individual Native Americans (the beneficial owners)."

So it had nothing to do with reparations. Please try again.

You don't know what reparations are if this is what you think.

Treaty obligations. Not the same thing. Where's your black treaty?

It is the same thing.

No it's not, you must be having another psychotic episode.

Actually it s. But you are dumb. And because you are, you think reparations are only when you think blacks are asking whites for money.

 

[IM2]

My suggestion to you is: shut up and know that whites are where they are only because of legislation.

Because you are not a full blooded Natchez therefore you can't ask for reparations. So get better informed before you try arguing with me. You see, I did make my own way. It started with my degrees and continues now with 36 years of research on these matters.

I have black blood, Native American blood flowing through my veins that make up my DNA. I have busted my ass to eek out an existence on this shitty prison planet ruled by 13 bloodline families that go back to the days of the Egyptians that believe that they have the divine right to rule and all roads to indeed lead to Rome. Your alleged "36 years of research" claim amuses me greatly because it reeks of political correctness taught to you by Marxists that want to keep the black race subservient to them and keep them on the plantation. I will debate you any time and on any issue. I know of what I speak. I have brothers and sisters from every ethnicity that understands the nature of the cage that are fighting with me to expose this debt slavery system.

You have one of two choices....you can go back and read my prior posts that contain HJR 192 and the Federal Reserve Act using my name and the search feature or you can ignore me because you can't take me on in a debate.....the choice is yours but I will never stop replying to your divisive and racist diatribes whether you see them or not.

I can take you on easily Dale. You talk stupid. I know exactly what you are talking about and most of it is conspiracy theory garbage. Name the 13 families. I bet it starts off with the Rothschilds. You call what I say racist, but between you and I, I'm the one with the truth. Documented truth, all 360 degrees of it. .

Your grandfather did not have sex with the woman who birthed you. So talking about your grandfathers race is irrelevant to this conversation. There ain't no plantation Dale. And no one cares how hard you say you worked. We all worked hard around here. Whites are where they are because of legislation. And you really don't want to talk about HJRS?

I have a third choice Dale, tear your raggedy argument apart. .

So start a thread Dale. Then tell me what section it's in. Maybe you might want to look at PL 93-373. Because we can buy, sell and trade gold coins today as much as we want. There was a reason for HJR 192 and Executive Order 6102. It was called the great depression.

Nope, the 13 bloodline families are mostly of Italian descent and the Kazarian court Jews are just pawns and put out in front to deflect attention away from the Jesuits and the Vatican....the Learned Elders of Zion manifesto? It was written by the Jesuits.

You claim that I talk of "conspiracy theories"? Nope, I am a conspiracy analyst with thousands upon thousands of hours of due diligence seeking the truth as to how this debt slavery system still flourishes. Black, white, red, yellow, etc, etc......the tint of one skin doesn't mean a damn thing in the great big scheme of it all. Divide and conquer by using racial, political, economic and gender warfare in order to keep our focus elsewhere. Your "struggle" is no different than anyone else's but those of your ilk do most of the whining while depending on those that don't want to see you succeed......and that is truth.

No, my grandfather did not have sex with the woman that birthed me....but your mother wasn't a slave and neither was her mother OR father. Legislation has put whites like me in an elevated position? I would sure like to see that because I have had to scratch my way through this world and no one gave me a free pass because of the tint of my skin.

Please, by all means, tear my "raggedy argument" apart and be sure to give source documentation. Gold was a means of exchange before FDR pledged our labor as surety against the debt due to the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of USA.INC and made the Federal Reserve Notes "legal tender"....do you know what a "note" is according to Black's Law Dictionary? It's a debt, sister....it's a debt note with interest attached to every FRN that is created and borrowed into existence. We can buy gold now but it can't be used to settle debts as it pertains to those of USA.INC, a corporate entity that was taken into receivership by the IMF after USA.INC went bankrupt yet again in 1950. I have no doubt that you haven't a clue as to how the Great Depression was artificially created and the crooks behind it....but I do. Woodrow Wilson and FDR sold out American to the banking oligarchs that are the shadow government.

I don't need to start yet another thread because I have covered this all before to ad nauseum. The bottom line is that we are all in the same boat....just because some are only waist high in shit doesn't make them better off than those that are up to their armpits in shit. What should matter is the fact that we are standing in shit to begin with...regardless of how high it is.

I eagerly await your rebuttal.........

My mother was forced to sit in the back of buses, refused entry into college because they don't allow blacks, had to get off the fucking sidewalks when whites were on it, had to watch a white girl spit in her sisters mouth and could not vote until she was 40. Just to name a few things. We are not in the same boat, and if you want to discuss the programs whites alone received as part of the depression, start a tread.

White people stood up for blacks about the immoral Jim Crow rules in the south and suffered accordingly for doing so but it was the right thing to do and I would have done so myself had I been alive when Bull Connor and George Wallace were trying to keep blacks from attending schools and colleges and all the other racist unwritten and written rules that made deemed them as second class citizens...what is so ironic to me is that all Americans, regardless of skin tint were considered "enemy combatants" due to a few changes in the 1917 "Trading With The Enemy" Act in 1933 and all allodial rights to property were lost.

BTW, George Washington Carver was able to go to college even before Jim Crow rules. You are using the tint of your skin as a crutch and an excuse for not being where you want to be....rise above it already.

This coming from a person in the race who was given the most by the government. I'm where I want to be, standing up against racism in my community. I'm not the one crying about being a debt slave. So rise above it.

 

[Taz]

From your first link: "The plaintiffs claim that the U.S. government has incorrectly accounted for the income from Indian trust assets, which are legally owned by the Department of the Interior, but held in trust for individual Native Americans (the beneficial owners)."

So it had nothing to do with reparations. Please try again.

You don't know what reparations are if this is what you think.

Treaty obligations. Not the same thing. Where's your black treaty?

It is the same thing.

No it's not, you must be having another psychotic episode.

Actually it s. But you are dumb. And because you are, you think reparations are only when you think blacks are asking whites for money.

No, reparations are also food stamps and welfare, as well as AA...

 

[Indeependent]

I have black blood, Native American blood flowing through my veins that make up my DNA. I have busted my ass to eek out an existence on this shitty prison planet ruled by 13 bloodline families that go back to the days of the Egyptians that believe that they have the divine right to rule and all roads to indeed lead to Rome. Your alleged "36 years of research" claim amuses me greatly because it reeks of political correctness taught to you by Marxists that want to keep the black race subservient to them and keep them on the plantation. I will debate you any time and on any issue. I know of what I speak. I have brothers and sisters from every ethnicity that understands the nature of the cage that are fighting with me to expose this debt slavery system.

You have one of two choices....you can go back and read my prior posts that contain HJR 192 and the Federal Reserve Act using my name and the search feature or you can ignore me because you can't take me on in a debate.....the choice is yours but I will never stop replying to your divisive and racist diatribes whether you see them or not.

I can take you on easily Dale. You talk stupid. I know exactly what you are talking about and most of it is conspiracy theory garbage. Name the 13 families. I bet it starts off with the Rothschilds. You call what I say racist, but between you and I, I'm the one with the truth. Documented truth, all 360 degrees of it. .

Your grandfather did not have sex with the woman who birthed you. So talking about your grandfathers race is irrelevant to this conversation. There ain't no plantation Dale. And no one cares how hard you say you worked. We all worked hard around here. Whites are where they are because of legislation. And you really don't want to talk about HJRS?

I have a third choice Dale, tear your raggedy argument apart. .

So start a thread Dale. Then tell me what section it's in. Maybe you might want to look at PL 93-373. Because we can buy, sell and trade gold coins today as much as we want. There was a reason for HJR 192 and Executive Order 6102. It was called the great depression.

Nope, the 13 bloodline families are mostly of Italian descent and the Kazarian court Jews are just pawns and put out in front to deflect attention away from the Jesuits and the Vatican....the Learned Elders of Zion manifesto? It was written by the Jesuits.

You claim that I talk of "conspiracy theories"? Nope, I am a conspiracy analyst with thousands upon thousands of hours of due diligence seeking the truth as to how this debt slavery system still flourishes. Black, white, red, yellow, etc, etc......the tint of one skin doesn't mean a damn thing in the great big scheme of it all. Divide and conquer by using racial, political, economic and gender warfare in order to keep our focus elsewhere. Your "struggle" is no different than anyone else's but those of your ilk do most of the whining while depending on those that don't want to see you succeed......and that is truth.

No, my grandfather did not have sex with the woman that birthed me....but your mother wasn't a slave and neither was her mother OR father. Legislation has put whites like me in an elevated position? I would sure like to see that because I have had to scratch my way through this world and no one gave me a free pass because of the tint of my skin.

Please, by all means, tear my "raggedy argument" apart and be sure to give source documentation. Gold was a means of exchange before FDR pledged our labor as surety against the debt due to the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of USA.INC and made the Federal Reserve Notes "legal tender"....do you know what a "note" is according to Black's Law Dictionary? It's a debt, sister....it's a debt note with interest attached to every FRN that is created and borrowed into existence. We can buy gold now but it can't be used to settle debts as it pertains to those of USA.INC, a corporate entity that was taken into receivership by the IMF after USA.INC went bankrupt yet again in 1950. I have no doubt that you haven't a clue as to how the Great Depression was artificially created and the crooks behind it....but I do. Woodrow Wilson and FDR sold out American to the banking oligarchs that are the shadow government.

I don't need to start yet another thread because I have covered this all before to ad nauseum. The bottom line is that we are all in the same boat....just because some are only waist high in shit doesn't make them better off than those that are up to their armpits in shit. What should matter is the fact that we are standing in shit to begin with...regardless of how high it is.

I eagerly await your rebuttal.........

My mother was forced to sit in the back of buses, refused entry into college because they don't allow blacks, had to get off the fucking sidewalks when whites were on it, had to watch a white girl spit in her sisters mouth and could not vote until she was 40. Just to name a few things. We are not in the same boat, and if you want to discuss the programs whites alone received as part of the depression, start a tread.

White people stood up for blacks about the immoral Jim Crow rules in the south and suffered accordingly for doing so but it was the right thing to do and I would have done so myself had I been alive when Bull Connor and George Wallace were trying to keep blacks from attending schools and colleges and all the other racist unwritten and written rules that made deemed them as second class citizens...what is so ironic to me is that all Americans, regardless of skin tint were considered "enemy combatants" due to a few changes in the 1917 "Trading With The Enemy" Act in 1933 and all allodial rights to property were lost.

BTW, George Washington Carver was able to go to college even before Jim Crow rules. You are using the tint of your skin as a crutch and an excuse for not being where you want to be....rise above it already.

This coming from a person in the race who was given the most by the government. I'm where I want to be, standing up against racism in my community. I'm not the one crying about being a debt slave. So rise above it.

You have racism in your community?
Move.

 

[DGS49]

I strongly favor the payment of reparations for slavery.

When Abraham Lincoln arguably freed the slaves in the "states in rebellion," then the Constitution was amended to free slaves in 1865, the slave owners had the value of their property reduced to Zero and that property was taken from them by force, they were entitled to compensation for the collective value of their slaves. Hence, they should have been paid by the Federal Government, just as the British government compensated former slave owners when it eliminated slavery under its jurisdiction.

On the other hand, those who were slaves should have been compensated by the former slave owners for the net present value of the forced services, less upkeep, with the money taken out of the estates of the former slave owners.

I suggest that we give the descendants of the slave owners a right to sue the Federal government for the present value of the emancipated slaves, and we give the descendants of the slaves the right to sue the former slaveholders, with damages limited to the amounts that they - the descendants of slave owners - recover from the Federal Government.

Of course, all of this will require PROOF that you are the descendant of a slave or slave owner, and proof of the number of slaves and their values. And if you are of mixed race, you are totally disqualified.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I strongly favor the payment of reparations for slavery.

When Abraham Lincoln arguably freed the slaves in the "states in rebellion," then the Constitution was amended to free slaves in 1865, the slave owners had the value of their property reduced to Zero and that property was taken from them by force, they were entitled to compensation for the collective value of their slaves. Hence, they should have been paid by the Federal Government, just as the British government compensated former slave owners when it eliminated slavery under its jurisdiction.

On the other hand, those who were slaves should have been compensated by the former slave owners for the net present value of the forced services, less upkeep, with the money taken out of the estates of the former slave owners.

I suggest that we give the descendants of the slave owners a right to sue the Federal government for the present value of the emancipated slaves, and we give the descendants of the slaves the right to sue the former slaveholders, with damages limited to the amounts that they - the descendants of slave owners - recover from the Federal Government.

Of course, all of this will require PROOF that you are the descendant of a slave or slave owner, and proof of the number of slaves and their values. And if you are of mixed race, you are totally disqualified.

So in other words... $5 a head.
Good thinking.

 

[JoeMoma]

IM2 threads....

1) Make another daily thread saying blacks should get free money and stuff. (like this worked so well before)
2) Anyone who says otherwise is a racist.
3) Post some more C&P long articles repeating the same mantra
4) Anyone who says otherwise is a racist.
5) Claim all whites are basically racist.
6) Anyone who says otherwise is a racist.
7) Whine about how no one is taking him seriously
8) Anyone who says otherwise is a racist.
9) Make numerous racist rants against whites and other posters.
10) Anyone who rebukes that....wait for it.... is a racist.

Another day......
Repeat 1 - 10

11) Claims that he would kick the ass of anyone who would talk to him the way posters reply to him on USMB (reinforcing the stereotype that blacks are gangsta thugs).

 

[Indeependent]

I strongly favor the payment of reparations for slavery.

When Abraham Lincoln arguably freed the slaves in the "states in rebellion," then the Constitution was amended to free slaves in 1865, the slave owners had the value of their property reduced to Zero and that property was taken from them by force, they were entitled to compensation for the collective value of their slaves. Hence, they should have been paid by the Federal Government, just as the British government compensated former slave owners when it eliminated slavery under its jurisdiction.

On the other hand, those who were slaves should have been compensated by the former slave owners for the net present value of the forced services, less upkeep, with the money taken out of the estates of the former slave owners.

I suggest that we give the descendants of the slave owners a right to sue the Federal government for the present value of the emancipated slaves, and we give the descendants of the slaves the right to sue the former slaveholders, with damages limited to the amounts that they - the descendants of slave owners - recover from the Federal Government.

Of course, all of this will require PROOF that you are the descendant of a slave or slave owner, and proof of the number of slaves and their values. And if you are of mixed race, you are totally disqualified.

So in other words... $5 a head.
Good thinking.

Head?

 

[flacaltenn]

I think we need to become better informed as citizens of this country. There are things people here argue against with no knowledge of what they are, or even if they have ever happened before. When blacks talk about reparations it is because a precedent has been set by this government whereby they have attempted to redress wrongs their policies have created. In this case we will look at will pertain to the General Allotment Act, better known as the Dawes Act of 1887. So as we will read the many sad responses detailing why blacks should not get reparations for things when we were not alive for and how whites today should not be paying for things they did not do, realize that in 2009 the government of this country decided you would be paying Native Americans for something that happened 122 years after the fact and that none of you were alive when the Dawes Act was passed. But you are paying for it.

Personally I feel the awarded amount was not enough. But I'm using YOUR rhetoric so that you understand.

Cobell v. Salazar - Wikipedia
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website.
How the Cobell Case Impacted Indian Land Policies
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website
Cobell v. Salazar
cobell v. salazar - Yahoo Search Results

From your first link: "The plaintiffs claim that the U.S. government has incorrectly accounted for the income from Indian trust assets, which are legally owned by the Department of the Interior, but held in trust for individual Native Americans (the beneficial owners)."

So it had nothing to do with reparations. Please try again.

You don't know what reparations are if this is what you think.

No -- he's completely right. The US govt PLUNDERED the Indian Trust Fund just the way they PLUNDERED the excess FICA taxes that were supposed to be in the "Soc Sec" Trust fund.. THAT'S the CLAIM...

From your 2nd link..

4. What is this lawsuit about?
The Settlement resolves claims that the federal government violated its trust duties to individual Indian trust beneficiaries. The claims fall into three areas:

• Historical Accounting Claims state that the federal government violated its trust duties by not providing a proper historical accounting relating to IIM accounts and other trust assets.
• Trust Administration Claims include:
  • Fund Administration Claims state that the federal government violated its trust duties and mismanaged individual Indian trust funds.
  • Land Administration Claims state that the federal government violated its trust responsibilities for management of land, oil, natural gas, mineral, timber, grazing, and other resources.

The federal government denies all these claims. It says it has no legal responsibility for these claims and owes nothing to the Class Members.


The Fed govt put revenue from govt use of Indian Lands into a trust fund. This included Oil gas, forestry, mining, grazing operations. And they STOLE the actual money and put in IOUs. Indians making claims on those funds were routinely denied..

This IS NOT reparations for CONQUERING and stealing their lands.. If that's what you think -- you'll have to dive a LOT deeper for that connection..

 

[Meathead]

I think we need to become better informed as citizens of this country. There are things people here argue against with no knowledge of what they are, or even if they have ever happened before. When blacks talk about reparations it is because a precedent has been set by this government whereby they have attempted to redress wrongs their policies have created. In this case we will look at will pertain to the General Allotment Act, better known as the Dawes Act of 1887. So as we will read the many sad responses detailing why blacks should not get reparations for things when we were not alive for and how whites today should not be paying for things they did not do, realize that in 2009 the government of this country decided you would be paying Native Americans for something that happened 122 years after the fact and that none of you were alive when the Dawes Act was passed. But you are paying for it.

Personally I feel the awarded amount was not enough. But I'm using YOUR rhetoric so that you understand.

Cobell v. Salazar - Wikipedia
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website.
How the Cobell Case Impacted Indian Land Policies
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website
Cobell v. Salazar
cobell v. salazar - Yahoo Search Results

All Americans who can document they are slaves should be compensated to the tune of $1 billion each. Everybody else should stop whining and get a job.

 

[IM2]

I think we need to become better informed as citizens of this country. There are things people here argue against with no knowledge of what they are, or even if they have ever happened before. When blacks talk about reparations it is because a precedent has been set by this government whereby they have attempted to redress wrongs their policies have created. In this case we will look at will pertain to the General Allotment Act, better known as the Dawes Act of 1887. So as we will read the many sad responses detailing why blacks should not get reparations for things when we were not alive for and how whites today should not be paying for things they did not do, realize that in 2009 the government of this country decided you would be paying Native Americans for something that happened 122 years after the fact and that none of you were alive when the Dawes Act was passed. But you are paying for it.

Personally I feel the awarded amount was not enough. But I'm using YOUR rhetoric so that you understand.

Cobell v. Salazar - Wikipedia
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website.
How the Cobell Case Impacted Indian Land Policies
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website
Cobell v. Salazar
cobell v. salazar - Yahoo Search Results

From your first link: "The plaintiffs claim that the U.S. government has incorrectly accounted for the income from Indian trust assets, which are legally owned by the Department of the Interior, but held in trust for individual Native Americans (the beneficial owners)."

So it had nothing to do with reparations. Please try again.

You don't know what reparations are if this is what you think.

No -- he's completely right. The US govt PLUNDERED the Indian Trust Fund just the way they PLUNDERED the excess FICA taxes that were supposed to be in the "Soc Sec" Trust fund.. THAT'S the CLAIM...

From your 2nd link..

4. What is this lawsuit about?
The Settlement resolves claims that the federal government violated its trust duties to individual Indian trust beneficiaries. The claims fall into three areas:

• Historical Accounting Claims state that the federal government violated its trust duties by not providing a proper historical accounting relating to IIM accounts and other trust assets.
• Trust Administration Claims include:
  • Fund Administration Claims state that the federal government violated its trust duties and mismanaged individual Indian trust funds.
  • Land Administration Claims state that the federal government violated its trust responsibilities for management of land, oil, natural gas, mineral, timber, grazing, and other resources.

The federal government denies all these claims. It says it has no legal responsibility for these claims and owes nothing to the Class Members.


The Fed govt put revenue from govt use of Indian Lands into a trust fund. This included Oil gas, forestry, mining, grazing operations. And they STOLE the actual money and put in IOUs. Indians making claims on those funds were routinely denied..

This IS NOT reparations for CONQUERING and stealing their lands.. If that's what you think -- you'll have to dive a LOT deeper for that connection..

Actually I don't have to dive very deep at all. And if you are saying Taz s right, you are a lost soul. But that's to be expected from you in these matters.

 

[flacaltenn]

I think we need to become better informed as citizens of this country. There are things people here argue against with no knowledge of what they are, or even if they have ever happened before. When blacks talk about reparations it is because a precedent has been set by this government whereby they have attempted to redress wrongs their policies have created. In this case we will look at will pertain to the General Allotment Act, better known as the Dawes Act of 1887. So as we will read the many sad responses detailing why blacks should not get reparations for things when we were not alive for and how whites today should not be paying for things they did not do, realize that in 2009 the government of this country decided you would be paying Native Americans for something that happened 122 years after the fact and that none of you were alive when the Dawes Act was passed. But you are paying for it.

Personally I feel the awarded amount was not enough. But I'm using YOUR rhetoric so that you understand.

Cobell v. Salazar - Wikipedia
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website.
How the Cobell Case Impacted Indian Land Policies
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website
Cobell v. Salazar
cobell v. salazar - Yahoo Search Results

From your first link: "The plaintiffs claim that the U.S. government has incorrectly accounted for the income from Indian trust assets, which are legally owned by the Department of the Interior, but held in trust for individual Native Americans (the beneficial owners)."

So it had nothing to do with reparations. Please try again.

You don't know what reparations are if this is what you think.

No -- he's completely right. The US govt PLUNDERED the Indian Trust Fund just the way they PLUNDERED the excess FICA taxes that were supposed to be in the "Soc Sec" Trust fund.. THAT'S the CLAIM...

From your 2nd link..

4. What is this lawsuit about?
The Settlement resolves claims that the federal government violated its trust duties to individual Indian trust beneficiaries. The claims fall into three areas:

• Historical Accounting Claims state that the federal government violated its trust duties by not providing a proper historical accounting relating to IIM accounts and other trust assets.
• Trust Administration Claims include:
  • Fund Administration Claims state that the federal government violated its trust duties and mismanaged individual Indian trust funds.
  • Land Administration Claims state that the federal government violated its trust responsibilities for management of land, oil, natural gas, mineral, timber, grazing, and other resources.

The federal government denies all these claims. It says it has no legal responsibility for these claims and owes nothing to the Class Members.


The Fed govt put revenue from govt use of Indian Lands into a trust fund. This included Oil gas, forestry, mining, grazing operations. And they STOLE the actual money and put in IOUs. Indians making claims on those funds were routinely denied..

This IS NOT reparations for CONQUERING and stealing their lands.. If that's what you think -- you'll have to dive a LOT deeper for that connection..

Actually I don't have to dive very deep at all. And if you are saying Taz s right, you are a lost soul. But that's to be expected from you in these matters.

Can't help people who dont read and understand their own links. Maybe it's not YOUR fault. Maybe someone "in authority" SOLD you bum information. That court case was not a "discrimination or reparation" case. It was a BOOKKEEPING and govt fraud case. Show us where we're wrong. Don't try to just bellow and cast ad homs back..

The govt took it upon themselves to vet and administer all the "leases" that corporations and private entities MADE with the Indian tribes. Because the Fed govt HAS that power when dealing with a "foreign and sovereign entity". So all the payments and proceeds from those leases went thru the "trust fund". And the FEDS resolved the disputes between tribal leaders and the land holders and distributed payments out of those funds.

Who TOLD YOU this was "reparations" for past discrimination and abuse? We should all know who's lying about this..

 

[flacaltenn]

Read the FAQ directly below the one I posted. The one about who is eligible to be in the Class Settlement. And tell me why ONLY THOSE landholders are eligible thru the setttlement. Is it because their ancestors were abused as native Americans? NO -- it is not..


It's about the CONTINUING abuse of American Indians by the Fed Govt in terms of heavy handed and CORRUPT and inept "program management"..

 

[Coyote]

I think we need to become better informed as citizens of this country. There are things people here argue against with no knowledge of what they are, or even if they have ever happened before. When blacks talk about reparations it is because a precedent has been set by this government whereby they have attempted to redress wrongs their policies have created. In this case we will look at will pertain to the General Allotment Act, better known as the Dawes Act of 1887. So as we will read the many sad responses detailing why blacks should not get reparations for things when we were not alive for and how whites today should not be paid for things they did not do, realize that in 2009 the government of this country decided you would be paying Native Americans for something that happened 122 years after the fact and that none of you were alive when the Dawes Act was passed. But you are paying for it.

Personally I feel the awarded amount was not enough. But I'm using YOUR rhetoric so that you understand.

Cobell v. Salazar - Wikipedia
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website.
How the Cobell Case Impacted Indian Land Policies
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website
Cobell v. Salazar
cobell v. salazar - Yahoo Search Results

So? Send me your address, your name and a amount that you believe that I owe you...please divide it by a factor 37 million since that is how many black folks live in the USA.

My suggestion to you is to stop pissing and moaning about how you believe that those that suffered the yoke of slavery (that ended 155 years ago) entitles you and those of your ilk to even more welfare and entitlements. My great grandfather was a full blooded Natchez native American on my father's side from Alabama and I haven't received diddly squat in reparations nor have I asked for any. Get off of your fat ass and make your own way instead of wallowing in victimhood. The LBJ "War on Poverty" has only created generations of welfare seekers. The world does not owe you a "giving".

My suggestion to you is: shut up and know that whites are where they are only because of legislation.

Because you are not full blooded Natchez therefore you can't ask for reparations. So get better informed before you try arguing with me. You see, I did make my own way. It started with my degrees and continues now with 36 years of research on these matters.

Would that mean only full blooded blacks descended from slaves would be eligible?

 

[IM2]

I think we need to become better informed as citizens of this country. There are things people here argue against with no knowledge of what they are, or even if they have ever happened before. When blacks talk about reparations it is because a precedent has been set by this government whereby they have attempted to redress wrongs their policies have created. In this case we will look at will pertain to the General Allotment Act, better known as the Dawes Act of 1887. So as we will read the many sad responses detailing why blacks should not get reparations for things when we were not alive for and how whites today should not be paying for things they did not do, realize that in 2009 the government of this country decided you would be paying Native Americans for something that happened 122 years after the fact and that none of you were alive when the Dawes Act was passed. But you are paying for it.

Personally I feel the awarded amount was not enough. But I'm using YOUR rhetoric so that you understand.

Cobell v. Salazar - Wikipedia
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website.
How the Cobell Case Impacted Indian Land Policies
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website
Cobell v. Salazar
cobell v. salazar - Yahoo Search Results

From your first link: "The plaintiffs claim that the U.S. government has incorrectly accounted for the income from Indian trust assets, which are legally owned by the Department of the Interior, but held in trust for individual Native Americans (the beneficial owners)."

So it had nothing to do with reparations. Please try again.

You don't know what reparations are if this is what you think.

No -- he's completely right. The US govt PLUNDERED the Indian Trust Fund just the way they PLUNDERED the excess FICA taxes that were supposed to be in the "Soc Sec" Trust fund.. THAT'S the CLAIM...

From your 2nd link..

4. What is this lawsuit about?
The Settlement resolves claims that the federal government violated its trust duties to individual Indian trust beneficiaries. The claims fall into three areas:

• Historical Accounting Claims state that the federal government violated its trust duties by not providing a proper historical accounting relating to IIM accounts and other trust assets.
• Trust Administration Claims include:
  • Fund Administration Claims state that the federal government violated its trust duties and mismanaged individual Indian trust funds.
  • Land Administration Claims state that the federal government violated its trust responsibilities for management of land, oil, natural gas, mineral, timber, grazing, and other resources.

The federal government denies all these claims. It says it has no legal responsibility for these claims and owes nothing to the Class Members.


The Fed govt put revenue from govt use of Indian Lands into a trust fund. This included Oil gas, forestry, mining, grazing operations. And they STOLE the actual money and put in IOUs. Indians making claims on those funds were routinely denied..

This IS NOT reparations for CONQUERING and stealing their lands.. If that's what you think -- you'll have to dive a LOT deeper for that connection..

Actually I don't have to dive very deep at all. And if you are saying Taz s right, you are a lost soul. But that's to be expected from you in these matters.

Can't help people who dont read and understand their own links. Maybe it's not YOUR fault. Maybe someone "in authority" SOLD you bum information. That court case was not a "discrimination or reparation" case. It was a BOOKKEEPING and govt fraud case. Show us where we're wrong. Don't try to just bellow and cast ad homs back..

The govt took it upon themselves to vet and administer all the "leases" that corporations and private entities MADE with the Indian tribes. Because the Fed govt HAS that power when dealing with a "foreign and sovereign entity". So all the payments and proceeds from those leases went thru the "trust fund". And the FEDS resolved the disputes between tribal leaders and the land holders and distributed payments out of those funds.

Who TOLD YOU this was "reparations" for past discrimination and abuse? We should all know who's lying about this..

I think we need to become better informed as citizens of this country. There are things people here argue against with no knowledge of what they are, or even if they have ever happened before. When blacks talk about reparations it is because a precedent has been set by this government whereby they have attempted to redress wrongs their policies have created. In this case we will look at will pertain to the General Allotment Act, better known as the Dawes Act of 1887. So as we will read the many sad responses detailing why blacks should not get reparations for things when we were not alive for and how whites today should not be paying for things they did not do, realize that in 2009 the government of this country decided you would be paying Native Americans for something that happened 122 years after the fact and that none of you were alive when the Dawes Act was passed. But you are paying for it.

Definition of reparation
1 a : a repairing or keeping in repair
b reparations plural : repairs
2 a : the act of making amends, offering expiation, or giving satisfaction for a wrong or injury
b : something done or given as amends or satisfaction
3 : the payment of damages : indemnification; specifically : compensation in money or materials payable by a defeated nation for damages to or expenditures sustained by another nation as a result of hostilities with the defeated nation —usually used in plural

You really need to learn to read what is posted. I'm talking about reparations. For example:

Agent Orange Lawsuits and Reparations

Some lawsuits have accused chemical companies of war crimes for selling Agent Orange to the military. These lawsuits generally claim that companies such as Dow, Monsanto, Hercules and Diamond Shamrock knew more than they revealed at the time about the dangers of the herbicide. In 1984, a massive class-action lawsuit was settled in U.S. court. Seven U.S. companies agreed to pay a total of $180 million to 291,000 people, mostly Vietnam War veterans [source: Glaberson]. The final settlement, including interest, was around $240 million [source: AP].

How Agent Orange Worked

You racists want so badly to talk your stupid shit that you miss facts. You guys don't know how much your asses are paying in reparations but you damn sure don't want blacks to get any. That's because you are racsts.

 

[IM2]

I think we need to become better informed as citizens of this country. There are things people here argue against with no knowledge of what they are, or even if they have ever happened before. When blacks talk about reparations it is because a precedent has been set by this government whereby they have attempted to redress wrongs their policies have created. In this case we will look at will pertain to the General Allotment Act, better known as the Dawes Act of 1887. So as we will read the many sad responses detailing why blacks should not get reparations for things when we were not alive for and how whites today should not be paid for things they did not do, realize that in 2009 the government of this country decided you would be paying Native Americans for something that happened 122 years after the fact and that none of you were alive when the Dawes Act was passed. But you are paying for it.

Personally I feel the awarded amount was not enough. But I'm using YOUR rhetoric so that you understand.

Cobell v. Salazar - Wikipedia
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website.
How the Cobell Case Impacted Indian Land Policies
Cobell v. Salazar Class Action Website
Cobell v. Salazar
cobell v. salazar - Yahoo Search Results

So? Send me your address, your name and a amount that you believe that I owe you...please divide it by a factor 37 million since that is how many black folks live in the USA.

My suggestion to you is to stop pissing and moaning about how you believe that those that suffered the yoke of slavery (that ended 155 years ago) entitles you and those of your ilk to even more welfare and entitlements. My great grandfather was a full blooded Natchez native American on my father's side from Alabama and I haven't received diddly squat in reparations nor have I asked for any. Get off of your fat ass and make your own way instead of wallowing in victimhood. The LBJ "War on Poverty" has only created generations of welfare seekers. The world does not owe you a "giving".

My suggestion to you is: shut up and know that whites are where they are only because of legislation.

Because you are not full blooded Natchez therefore you can't ask for reparations. So get better informed before you try arguing with me. You see, I did make my own way. It started with my degrees and continues now with 36 years of research on these matters.

Would that mean only full blooded blacks descended from slaves would be eligible?

The violations blacks would be asking reparations for go way past the days of slavery.

 

[Coyote]

From your first link: "The plaintiffs claim that the U.S. government has incorrectly accounted for the income from Indian trust assets, which are legally owned by the Department of the Interior, but held in trust for individual Native Americans (the beneficial owners)."

So it had nothing to do with reparations. Please try again.

You don't know what reparations are if this is what you think.

No -- he's completely right. The US govt PLUNDERED the Indian Trust Fund just the way they PLUNDERED the excess FICA taxes that were supposed to be in the "Soc Sec" Trust fund.. THAT'S the CLAIM...

From your 2nd link..

4. What is this lawsuit about?
The Settlement resolves claims that the federal government violated its trust duties to individual Indian trust beneficiaries. The claims fall into three areas:

• Historical Accounting Claims state that the federal government violated its trust duties by not providing a proper historical accounting relating to IIM accounts and other trust assets.
• Trust Administration Claims include:
  • Fund Administration Claims state that the federal government violated its trust duties and mismanaged individual Indian trust funds.
  • Land Administration Claims state that the federal government violated its trust responsibilities for management of land, oil, natural gas, mineral, timber, grazing, and other resources.

The federal government denies all these claims. It says it has no legal responsibility for these claims and owes nothing to the Class Members.


The Fed govt put revenue from govt use of Indian Lands into a trust fund. This included Oil gas, forestry, mining, grazing operations. And they STOLE the actual money and put in IOUs. Indians making claims on those funds were routinely denied..

This IS NOT reparations for CONQUERING and stealing their lands.. If that's what you think -- you'll have to dive a LOT deeper for that connection..

Actually I don't have to dive very deep at all. And if you are saying Taz s right, you are a lost soul. But that's to be expected from you in these matters.

Can't help people who dont read and understand their own links. Maybe it's not YOUR fault. Maybe someone "in authority" SOLD you bum information. That court case was not a "discrimination or reparation" case. It was a BOOKKEEPING and govt fraud case. Show us where we're wrong. Don't try to just bellow and cast ad homs back..

The govt took it upon themselves to vet and administer all the "leases" that corporations and private entities MADE with the Indian tribes. Because the Fed govt HAS that power when dealing with a "foreign and sovereign entity". So all the payments and proceeds from those leases went thru the "trust fund". And the FEDS resolved the disputes between tribal leaders and the land holders and distributed payments out of those funds.

Who TOLD YOU this was "reparations" for past discrimination and abuse? We should all know who's lying about this..

I think we need to become better informed as citizens of this country. There are things people here argue against with no knowledge of what they are, or even if they have ever happened before. When blacks talk about reparations it is because a precedent has been set by this government whereby they have attempted to redress wrongs their policies have created. In this case we will look at will pertain to the General Allotment Act, better known as the Dawes Act of 1887. So as we will read the many sad responses detailing why blacks should not get reparations for things when we were not alive for and how whites today should not be paying for things they did not do, realize that in 2009 the government of this country decided you would be paying Native Americans for something that happened 122 years after the fact and that none of you were alive when the Dawes Act was passed. But you are paying for it.

Definition of reparation
1 a : a repairing or keeping in repair
b reparations plural : repairs
2 a : the act of making amends, offering expiation, or giving satisfaction for a wrong or injury
b : something done or given as amends or satisfaction
3 : the payment of damages : indemnification; specifically : compensation in money or materials payable by a defeated nation for damages to or expenditures sustained by another nation as a result of hostilities with the defeated nation —usually used in plural

Youo really ned to lar read what is posted I'm taing abot reparations. For example:

Agent Orange Lawsuits and Reparations

Some lawsuits have accused chemical companies of war crimes for selling Agent Orange to the military. These lawsuits generally claim that companies such as Dow, Monsanto, Hercules and Diamond Shamrock knew more than they revealed at the time about the dangers of the herbicide. In 1984, a massive class-action lawsuit was settled in U.S. court. Seven U.S. companies agreed to pay a total of $180 million to 291,000 people, mostly Vietnam War veterans [source: Glaberson]. The final settlement, including interest, was around $240 million [source: AP].

How Agent Orange Worked

You racists want so badly to talk your stupid shot that you miss facts. You guts don't know how much your asses are paying in reparations but you damn sure don't want blacks to get any. That's because you are racsts.

Reparations were given to survivors...same with what was given to survivors of Japanese-American internment. Not their decendents. That is appropriate. If it hasnt been done reparations should be given to suvivors of the Tuskeegee experiment. Those are where crimes and reparations are clearly defined and there are survivors.