A good chunk of FOREIGNERS spread misinformation on this very board. Where's the ban from USMB?

[debbiedowner]

I got news for you “Old Lady”... The Russians have attempted to interfere in our elections, in any way possible, since the end of WW2. Not “fake news”. “Old news”... The investigation was about collusion. Not interference. Interference was a foregone conclusion, and has been for a very long time. Believe whatever helps you sleep at night. But, for me... I choose the truth.And the truth is Mueller is raping our coffers for all they’re worth. And making his buddies rich along the way. While you butthurt Democrats cheer him on. Useful idiots indeed...

I'm told by people who ought to know that the Russian involvement in this past election is far beyond anything they have done before. The hacks were beyond acceptable, imo. It is the equivalent of breaking into the DNC and stealing file cabinets worth of stuff. Sound familiar? We got rid of a President for that, and he was one of US.

Really!? If the breech were so egregious why does the DNC, to this day, refuse to turnover its servers to the FBI for investigation? Must be pretty serious...

It was outright theft. You can throw whatever dust in the air you want. Why is that alright with you?

It still is theft. Of money, investigating what we already know. You keep shifting the focus of the topic. It’s at that point you should rethink the basis of your position. It’s only difficult if your a partisan hack...

I already told you, I believe the intelligence agencies that say this is well beyond anything they've done before and I don't take kindly to their hacking and then leaking the information out during the campaign. If Russia has done anything like this before, I didn't hear about it. I doubt if you have either.

You don't believe the intelligence agencies and you seem to think this is SOP since 1945. We disagree.

You never know Vasator sounds like one of them there Russian trolls.

 

[Desperado]

Since the Russians supposedly use FaceBook, maybe Mark Zuckerberg should also be charged collusion. How much did the Russians supposedly spend on FaceBook ads?

 

[petro]

Has any single individual here actually changed their mind due to a post from another poster?
I suspect not, but those that get their opinion from a stranger on the internet doesn't qualify as a deep thinker to me.
Nor does getting an opinion from some media hack such as Joy Berhart or any other celebrity.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Really!? If the breech were so egregious why does the DNC, to this day, refuse to turnover its servers to the FBI for investigation? Must be pretty serious...

It was outright theft. You can throw whatever dust in the air you want. Why is that alright with you?

It still is theft. Of money, investigating what we already know. You keep shifting the focus of the topic. It’s at that point you should rethink the basis of your position. It’s only difficult if your a partisan hack...

I already told you, I believe the intelligence agencies that say this is well beyond anything they've done before and I don't take kindly to their hacking and then leaking the information out during the campaign. If Russia has done anything like this before, I didn't hear about it. I doubt if you have either.

You don't believe the intelligence agencies and you seem to think this is SOP since 1945. We disagree.

When the intelligence agencies haven't actually been allowed to examine the DNC server and are basing their opinion purely on the word of a political party, then yes, I find their opinion to be dubious.

Just like you found the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq story to be dubious. Don't go born-again-CIA-worshipper just because the guys currently in the crosshairs of the intelligence machine is someone you don't like, you know good and God damn well that you don't trust those shit heads either.

Thanks for telling me who I trust. It's so helpful.

Fair enough, but my main three points remain.

First point - The intelligence community has both been wrong before and completely bullshitted the American people before.

Second point - The DNC never turned over the server to the FBI. The intelligence consensus is based entirely on the say-so of the DNC

Third point - The DNC just rigged their own primary. Their integrity is hardly beyond reproach.

Thus, when I assumed you were being insincere to support your political argument, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. The alternative is that you're sincerely explaining that you have faith in the word of proven liars based on the word of proven liars.

 

[OldLady]

I'm told by people who ought to know that the Russian involvement in this past election is far beyond anything they have done before. The hacks were beyond acceptable, imo. It is the equivalent of breaking into the DNC and stealing file cabinets worth of stuff. Sound familiar? We got rid of a President for that, and he was one of US.

Really!? If the breech were so egregious why does the DNC, to this day, refuse to turnover its servers to the FBI for investigation? Must be pretty serious...

It was outright theft. You can throw whatever dust in the air you want. Why is that alright with you?

It still is theft. Of money, investigating what we already know. You keep shifting the focus of the topic. It’s at that point you should rethink the basis of your position. It’s only difficult if your a partisan hack...

I already told you, I believe the intelligence agencies that say this is well beyond anything they've done before and I don't take kindly to their hacking and then leaking the information out during the campaign. If Russia has done anything like this before, I didn't hear about it. I doubt if you have either.

You don't believe the intelligence agencies and you seem to think this is SOP since 1945. We disagree.

Link the quote that states “this is well beyond the point of anything they’ve done before...” don’t worry... we’ll wait...
What you doubt matters not. What can you show us to support your position? Again you’re just stringing the conversation afield because you can’t substantiate a single position or statement you’ve made in this thread, beyond your discontent with the outcome of the election.

So far you've called me a partisan hack and a Dem snowflake that can't get over Hillary's loss. That the best you got?
We disagree. Arguing about it any further isn't going to accomplish anything.

 

[Vastator]

I got news for you “Old Lady”... The Russians have attempted to interfere in our elections, in any way possible, since the end of WW2. Not “fake news”. “Old news”... The investigation was about collusion. Not interference. Interference was a foregone conclusion, and has been for a very long time. Believe whatever helps you sleep at night. But, for me... I choose the truth.And the truth is Mueller is raping our coffers for all they’re worth. And making his buddies rich along the way. While you butthurt Democrats cheer him on. Useful idiots indeed...

I'm told by people who ought to know that the Russian involvement in this past election is far beyond anything they have done before. The hacks were beyond acceptable, imo. It is the equivalent of breaking into the DNC and stealing file cabinets worth of stuff. Sound familiar? We got rid of a President for that, and he was one of US.

Really!? If the breech were so egregious why does the DNC, to this day, refuse to turnover its servers to the FBI for investigation? Must be pretty serious...

It was outright theft. You can throw whatever dust in the air you want. Why is that alright with you?

It still is theft. Of money, investigating what we already know. You keep shifting the focus of the topic. It’s at that point you should rethink the basis of your position. It’s only difficult if your a partisan hack...

I already told you, I believe the intelligence agencies that say this is well beyond anything they've done before and I don't take kindly to their hacking and then leaking the information out during the campaign. If Russia has done anything like this before, I didn't hear about it. I doubt if you have either.

You don't believe the intelligence agencies and you seem to think this is SOP since 1945. We disagree.

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. You spoke of something stolen. What was stolen? How? And who is now in possession, of that which was stolen? This sounds serious. I want to help you. Help me; help you...

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Has any single individual here actually changed their mind due to a post from another poster?
I suspect not, but those that get their opinion from a stranger on the internet doesn't qualify as a deep thinker to me.
Nor does getting an opinion from some media hack such as Joy Berhart or any other celebrity.

Yes, actually. Well, kind of. Not often, though lol.

Every now and then, someone I'm arguing with makes a point that brings me to the realization that there are factors of which I was unaware or hadn't considered. Generally just minor points, though. Nothing on this message board has actually brought me to any life-changing new conclusions. Still fun, though. I like to argue, but I learned young that doing so in person tends to wear down on real life acquaintances, so this board is a fucking godsend.

 

[Vastator]

Really!? If the breech were so egregious why does the DNC, to this day, refuse to turnover its servers to the FBI for investigation? Must be pretty serious...

It was outright theft. You can throw whatever dust in the air you want. Why is that alright with you?

It still is theft. Of money, investigating what we already know. You keep shifting the focus of the topic. It’s at that point you should rethink the basis of your position. It’s only difficult if your a partisan hack...

I already told you, I believe the intelligence agencies that say this is well beyond anything they've done before and I don't take kindly to their hacking and then leaking the information out during the campaign. If Russia has done anything like this before, I didn't hear about it. I doubt if you have either.

You don't believe the intelligence agencies and you seem to think this is SOP since 1945. We disagree.

Link the quote that states “this is well beyond the point of anything they’ve done before...” don’t worry... we’ll wait...
What you doubt matters not. What can you show us to support your position? Again you’re just stringing the conversation afield because you can’t substantiate a single position or statement you’ve made in this thread, beyond your discontent with the outcome of the election.

So far you've called me a partisan hack and a Dem snowflake that can't get over Hillary's loss. That the best you got?
We disagree. Arguing about it any further isn't going to accomplish anything.

I’ve called you neither. Please provide a quote to support your claim. Don’t worry... I’ll wait... I’m still waiting on the requests for quotes from previous engagements that oddly enough... Never come. Hmm...

 

[Ame®icano]

We just indicted 12 Russian trolls for trolling so why is the very same shit tolerated on this very board?

Hmmm

13.
Americans are allowed to troll each other. Foreigners trying to fuck with our minds, stay out.

I don't mind foreigners, I mind leftist socialists and communists.

They fuck up everything, and everywhere.

What American idiot could support them?

 

[OldLady]

It was outright theft. You can throw whatever dust in the air you want. Why is that alright with you?

It still is theft. Of money, investigating what we already know. You keep shifting the focus of the topic. It’s at that point you should rethink the basis of your position. It’s only difficult if your a partisan hack...

I already told you, I believe the intelligence agencies that say this is well beyond anything they've done before and I don't take kindly to their hacking and then leaking the information out during the campaign. If Russia has done anything like this before, I didn't hear about it. I doubt if you have either.

You don't believe the intelligence agencies and you seem to think this is SOP since 1945. We disagree.

When the intelligence agencies haven't actually been allowed to examine the DNC server and are basing their opinion purely on the word of a political party, then yes, I find their opinion to be dubious.

Just like you found the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq story to be dubious. Don't go born-again-CIA-worshipper just because the guys currently in the crosshairs of the intelligence machine is someone you don't like, you know good and God damn well that you don't trust those shit heads either.

Thanks for telling me who I trust. It's so helpful.

Fair enough, but my main three points remain.

First point - The intelligence community has both been wrong before and completely bullshitted the American people before.

Second point - The DNC never turned over the server to the FBI. The intelligence consensus is based entirely on the say-so of the DNC

Third point - The DNC just rigged their own primary. Their integrity is hardly beyond reproach.

Thus, when I assumed you were being insincere to support your political argument, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. The alternative is that you're sincerely explaining that you have faith in the word of proven liars based on the word of proven liars.

First point - Mueller has just laid out, chapter and verse, who did what. I don't see how that is supposed to be read as "mistakes." I suppose you could be saying that the FBI has just been sitting at their desks making this shit up and taking names out of the Moscow phonebook, but I don't believe that. You can if you want.
Second point--the FBI received an exact copy of the servers in question which fulfilled their requirements. Exact copy. This is a total nonpoint.
Third point--I find it terribly amusing that Dems are expected to flock to the Trump tent -- because Dems lie and none of that happens in the WH? LMFAO
Better arguments than Vastator, though, I'll give you that.

 

[OldLady]

It was outright theft. You can throw whatever dust in the air you want. Why is that alright with you?

It still is theft. Of money, investigating what we already know. You keep shifting the focus of the topic. It’s at that point you should rethink the basis of your position. It’s only difficult if your a partisan hack...

I already told you, I believe the intelligence agencies that say this is well beyond anything they've done before and I don't take kindly to their hacking and then leaking the information out during the campaign. If Russia has done anything like this before, I didn't hear about it. I doubt if you have either.

You don't believe the intelligence agencies and you seem to think this is SOP since 1945. We disagree.

Link the quote that states “this is well beyond the point of anything they’ve done before...” don’t worry... we’ll wait...
What you doubt matters not. What can you show us to support your position? Again you’re just stringing the conversation afield because you can’t substantiate a single position or statement you’ve made in this thread, beyond your discontent with the outcome of the election.

So far you've called me a partisan hack and a Dem snowflake that can't get over Hillary's loss. That the best you got?
We disagree. Arguing about it any further isn't going to accomplish anything.

I’ve called you neither. Please provide a quote to support your claim. Don’t worry... I’ll wait... I’m still waiting on the requests for quotes from previous engagements that oddly enough... Never come. Hmm...

Shaddup troll.

 

[Vastator]

It still is theft. Of money, investigating what we already know. You keep shifting the focus of the topic. It’s at that point you should rethink the basis of your position. It’s only difficult if your a partisan hack...

I already told you, I believe the intelligence agencies that say this is well beyond anything they've done before and I don't take kindly to their hacking and then leaking the information out during the campaign. If Russia has done anything like this before, I didn't hear about it. I doubt if you have either.

You don't believe the intelligence agencies and you seem to think this is SOP since 1945. We disagree.

When the intelligence agencies haven't actually been allowed to examine the DNC server and are basing their opinion purely on the word of a political party, then yes, I find their opinion to be dubious.

Just like you found the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq story to be dubious. Don't go born-again-CIA-worshipper just because the guys currently in the crosshairs of the intelligence machine is someone you don't like, you know good and God damn well that you don't trust those shit heads either.

Thanks for telling me who I trust. It's so helpful.

Fair enough, but my main three points remain.

First point - The intelligence community has both been wrong before and completely bullshitted the American people before.

Second point - The DNC never turned over the server to the FBI. The intelligence consensus is based entirely on the say-so of the DNC

Third point - The DNC just rigged their own primary. Their integrity is hardly beyond reproach.

Thus, when I assumed you were being insincere to support your political argument, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. The alternative is that you're sincerely explaining that you have faith in the word of proven liars based on the word of proven liars.

First point - Mueller has just laid out, chapter and verse, who did what. I don't see how that is supposed to be read as "mistakes." I suppose you could be saying that the FBI has just been sitting at their desks making this shit up and taking names out of the Moscow phonebook, but I don't believe that. You can if you want.
Second point--the FBI received an exact copy of the servers in question which fulfilled their requirements. Exact copy. This is a total nonpoint.
Third point--I find it terribly amusing that Dems are expected to flock to the Trump tent -- because Dems lie and none of that happens in the WH? LMFAO
Better arguments than Vastator, though, I'll give you that.

Wrong... there is no way of verifying anything is an exact copy without the real Mc Coy. Thanks for playing though.

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

The Whitehouse Mean Girls Club favorite game.

 

[OldLady]

Has any single individual here actually changed their mind due to a post from another poster?
I suspect not, but those that get their opinion from a stranger on the internet doesn't qualify as a deep thinker to me.
Nor does getting an opinion from some media hack such as Joy Berhart or any other celebrity.

I do actually think about the REASONABLE arguments I hear on this board. I don't always agree but yes, an opinion from a stranger can change a person's understanding of an issue. Make it more complicated, anyway.

 

[Vastator]

It still is theft. Of money, investigating what we already know. You keep shifting the focus of the topic. It’s at that point you should rethink the basis of your position. It’s only difficult if your a partisan hack...

I already told you, I believe the intelligence agencies that say this is well beyond anything they've done before and I don't take kindly to their hacking and then leaking the information out during the campaign. If Russia has done anything like this before, I didn't hear about it. I doubt if you have either.

You don't believe the intelligence agencies and you seem to think this is SOP since 1945. We disagree.

Link the quote that states “this is well beyond the point of anything they’ve done before...” don’t worry... we’ll wait...
What you doubt matters not. What can you show us to support your position? Again you’re just stringing the conversation afield because you can’t substantiate a single position or statement you’ve made in this thread, beyond your discontent with the outcome of the election.

So far you've called me a partisan hack and a Dem snowflake that can't get over Hillary's loss. That the best you got?
We disagree. Arguing about it any further isn't going to accomplish anything.

I’ve called you neither. Please provide a quote to support your claim. Don’t worry... I’ll wait... I’m still waiting on the requests for quotes from previous engagements that oddly enough... Never come. Hmm...

Shaddup troll.

What’s the matter? Cat got your typing fingers? C’mon show the board how you put Vastator in his place... We,re waiting

 

[petro]

Has any single individual here actually changed their mind due to a post from another poster?
I suspect not, but those that get their opinion from a stranger on the internet doesn't qualify as a deep thinker to me.
Nor does getting an opinion from some media hack such as Joy Berhart or any other celebrity.

Yes, actually. Well, kind of. Not often, though lol.

Every now and then, someone I'm arguing with makes a point that brings me to the realization that there are factors of which I was unaware or hadn't considered. Generally just minor points, though. Nothing on this message board has actually brought me to any life-changing new conclusions. Still fun, though. I like to argue, but I learned young that doing so in person tends to wear down on real life acquaintances, so this board is a fucking godsend.

Most on a site like this are fairly cemented in their views.
I have agreed with points made by counterparts here, but no big epiphany's to make one declare "I was so wrong".

 

[MaryL]

We just indicted 12 Russian trolls for trolling so why is the very same shit tolerated on this very board?

Hmmm

Foreigners from Mexico spread far more than just disinformation about whatever fancies them, and if we question them? But then they blow that off as racism or xenophobia. So if I choose to hurt people and lie and connive about it, it's your fault for noticing?

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

It still is theft. Of money, investigating what we already know. You keep shifting the focus of the topic. It’s at that point you should rethink the basis of your position. It’s only difficult if your a partisan hack...

I already told you, I believe the intelligence agencies that say this is well beyond anything they've done before and I don't take kindly to their hacking and then leaking the information out during the campaign. If Russia has done anything like this before, I didn't hear about it. I doubt if you have either.

You don't believe the intelligence agencies and you seem to think this is SOP since 1945. We disagree.

When the intelligence agencies haven't actually been allowed to examine the DNC server and are basing their opinion purely on the word of a political party, then yes, I find their opinion to be dubious.

Just like you found the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq story to be dubious. Don't go born-again-CIA-worshipper just because the guys currently in the crosshairs of the intelligence machine is someone you don't like, you know good and God damn well that you don't trust those shit heads either.

Thanks for telling me who I trust. It's so helpful.

Fair enough, but my main three points remain.

First point - The intelligence community has both been wrong before and completely bullshitted the American people before.

Second point - The DNC never turned over the server to the FBI. The intelligence consensus is based entirely on the say-so of the DNC

Third point - The DNC just rigged their own primary. Their integrity is hardly beyond reproach.

Thus, when I assumed you were being insincere to support your political argument, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. The alternative is that you're sincerely explaining that you have faith in the word of proven liars based on the word of proven liars.

First point - Mueller has just laid out, chapter and verse, who did what. I don't see how that is supposed to be read as "mistakes." I suppose you could be saying that the FBI has just been sitting at their desks making this shit up and taking names out of the Moscow phonebook, but I don't believe that. You can if you want.
Second point--the FBI received an exact copy of the servers in question which fulfilled their requirements. Exact copy. This is a total nonpoint.
Third point--I find it terribly amusing that Dems are expected to flock to the Trump tent -- because Dems lie and none of that happens in the WH? LMFAO
Better arguments than Vastator, though, I'll give you that.

I see what Mueller laid out, but Mueller's word also doesn't make this gospel. I don't trust the copy from the DNC, sorry. If they'll bullshit their own constituents then I don't trust their word that said copy was exact and unaltered. Physical server or you're a joke for trusting it, period.

I'm also not expecting anyone to flock to the Trump tent. If you got the impression that I consider Trump's word trustworthy either, then you were mistaken. Trump is a politician, and I expect politicians to do what is politically expedient.

Julian Assange, on the other hand, has never given me reason to distrust his word or what I read on WikiLeaks. He's made questionable decisions on perhaps revealing too much and potentially putting intelligence assets in harm's way in the past, but in over a decade he's yet to be debunked. So, near as I can tell, the only guy in this entire equation whose word is even POTENTIALLY worth two shits says that it wasn't the Russians that sourced the WikiLeaks data. Now, I'm not saying that Assange's word is gospel, either, but compared to the intelligence community or the DNC he's the burning fucking bush.

 

[MaryL]

I was born in America to parents that born here we. My grandparents immigrated legally. I am not a Russian clone, I hate this meddling shit. I hate illegals that are themselves meddling in our American culture to their benefit.I see far more wetback illegals meddling in our culture far more than Russian hackers, so something smells a little fishy when we call out Russian hackers, not that that isn't a problem either.

 

[The Original Tree]

I got news for you. Some of the Moderators are Russian Trolls.

Pay attention to what moderators move what topics or overly are aggressive with moderating comments on certain viewpoints.

We just indicted 12 Russian trolls for trolling so why is the very same shit tolerated on this very board?

Hmmm