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freedom from religion WAS FREEDOM OF RELIGION at the time Kon....if the 5 founding father's acted today in public, just as they acted back then in public....then they would be elected again....
Do you actually think they were shouting from the rooftops that they were Deists and did not believe that Christ was the son of god, or God manifested in the Son?
got news for ya....the people of the time would have never elected them if they wore that kind of stuff on their coat sleeve....they did what all politicians do....they held their true intentions and feelings on the topic, close to their heart, not for all constituents of the time, to see, they discussed those views in secret meetings....amongst the enlightened of the era.
Taking that into account, it not much of a stretch to think they would have wanted freedom FROM religion. Of course, they couldn't say that in the Constitution. That's why we have SC, to figure out the true "original intent" and not just take the word of the anal "literal interpretation" proponents.
Odd how the Founders' "original intent" was to be some leftist totalitarian Utopia, huh?if the 5 founding father's acted today in public, just as they acted back then in public....then they would be elected again....
Do you actually think they were shouting from the rooftops that they were Deists and did not believe that Christ was the son of god, or God manifested in the Son?
got news for ya....the people of the time would have never elected them if they wore that kind of stuff on their coat sleeve....they did what all politicians do....they held their true intentions and feelings on the topic, close to their heart, not for all constituents of the time, to see, they discussed those views in secret meetings....amongst the enlightened of the era.
Taking that into account, it not much of a stretch to think they would have wanted freedom FROM religion. Of course, they couldn't say that in the Constitution. That's why we have SC, to figure out the true "original intent" and not just take the word of the anal "literal interpretation" proponents.
Odd how the Founders' "original intent" was to be some leftist totalitarian Utopia, huh?if the 5 founding father's acted today in public, just as they acted back then in public....then they would be elected again....
Do you actually think they were shouting from the rooftops that they were Deists and did not believe that Christ was the son of god, or God manifested in the Son?
got news for ya....the people of the time would have never elected them if they wore that kind of stuff on their coat sleeve....they did what all politicians do....they held their true intentions and feelings on the topic, close to their heart, not for all constituents of the time, to see, they discussed those views in secret meetings....amongst the enlightened of the era.
Taking that into account, it not much of a stretch to think they would have wanted freedom FROM religion. Of course, they couldn't say that in the Constitution. That's why we have SC, to figure out the true "original intent" and not just take the word of the anal "literal interpretation" proponents.
Good thing no one's "interpreting" the Constitution to mean the Founders wanted one of those, huh?Odd how the Founders' "original intent" was to be some leftist totalitarian Utopia, huh?Taking that into account, it not much of a stretch to think they would have wanted freedom FROM religion. Of course, they couldn't say that in the Constitution. That's why we have SC, to figure out the true "original intent" and not just take the word of the anal "literal interpretation" proponents.
Makes a hell of a lot more sense than a right wing banana Republic wasteland.
Good thing no one's "interpreting" the Constitution to mean the Founders wanted one of those, huh?Odd how the Founders' "original intent" was to be some leftist totalitarian Utopia, huh?
Makes a hell of a lot more sense than a right wing banana Republic wasteland.
Shame the article contains alot of bullcrap. Such as the Washington was a Diest when the man was an active vestryman for the Anglican Church. People who don't believe generally don't volunteer their time to actively build the Church. Nor do they fund and encourage missionary trips. Nor do they widely quote scripture. Nor do they tutor their children in the faith.
If one looks at a map of the world and paints in the colors for religions in the various countries, it is quite easy to see that believers believe what they do because of accidents of birth, culture and tradition. True believers IOW, do not believe. They follow tradition and culture. Not an invisible miracle working super absentee God. This makes the huge majority of believer's hypocrites and those who truly believe delusional. Regards DL
Shame the article contains alot of bullcrap. Such as the Washington was a Diest when the man was an active vestryman for the Anglican Church. People who don't believe generally don't volunteer their time to actively build the Church. Nor do they fund and encourage missionary trips. Nor do they widely quote scripture. Nor do they tutor their children in the faith.
We won't get the chance, if you drooling leftist idiots crown Obama king.Good thing no one's "interpreting" the Constitution to mean the Founders wanted one of those, huh?Makes a hell of a lot more sense than a right wing banana Republic wasteland.
No... but the modern day right wing idiots like yourself are going to Limbaugh us all the way to one.
If one looks at a map of the world and paints in the colors for religions in the various countries, it is quite easy to see that believers believe what they do because of accidents of birth, culture and tradition.
True believers IOW, do not believe. They follow tradition and culture. Not an invisible miracle working super absentee God.
This makes the huge majority of believer's hypocrites and those who truly believe delusional.
Regards
DL
By Rob Boston
Thomas Jefferson believed that a coolly rational form of religion would take root in America. Was he ever wrong.
To hear the Religious Right tell it, men like George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were 18th-century versions of Jerry Falwell in powdered wigs and stockings. Nothing could be further from the truth.
More: 5 Founding Fathers Whose Skepticism About Christianity Would Make Them Unelectable Today | Belief | AlterNet
A deist would never say this;
At the ending of this document
Circular to State Governments
June 8, 1783
I now make it my earnest prayer, that God would have you, and the State over which you preside, in his holy protection, that he would incline the hearts of the Citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to Government, to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another, for their fellow Citizens of the United States at large, and particularly for their brethren who have served in the Field, and finally, that he would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all, to do Justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that Charity, humility and pacific temper of mind, which were the Characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, and without an humble imitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation.
de·ism (dzm, d-)
n.
The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation.
He believed that God protects this Nation in Federal and State Government.
When he says the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, he is talking about Christianity (the Bible).
A deist would never say this;
At the ending of this document
Circular to State Governments
June 8, 1783
I now make it my earnest prayer, that God would have you, and the State over which you preside, in his holy protection, that he would incline the hearts of the Citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to Government, to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another, for their fellow Citizens of the United States at large, and particularly for their brethren who have served in the Field, and finally, that he would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all, to do Justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that Charity, humility and pacific temper of mind, which were the Characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, and without an humble imitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation.
de·ism (dzm, d-)
n.
The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation.
He believed that God protects this Nation in Federal and State Government.
When he says the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, he is talking about Christianity (the Bible).
In Washington's case, yes, but not because of the language, which could be used easily by a deist. Witness Thomas Jefferson's use of language when describing God and His creation.
We won't get the chance, if you drooling leftist idiots crown Obama king.Good thing no one's "interpreting" the Constitution to mean the Founders wanted one of those, huh?
No... but the modern day right wing idiots like yourself are going to Limbaugh us all the way to one.
Shame the article contains alot of bullcrap. Such as the Washington was a Diest when the man was an active vestryman for the Anglican Church. People who don't believe generally don't volunteer their time to actively build the Church. Nor do they fund and encourage missionary trips. Nor do they widely quote scripture. Nor do they tutor their children in the faith.
