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[José]

Originally posted by Fitz
Spoken like a true ignoramus.

Ok then, Fitz...

You just solved one of the most intractable issues of all western theology. The same issue Augustine, Aquinas tried in vain to explain.

Is that better for your ego?

 

[uscitizen]

Without Free will and the power to choose ones destiny, there is no real life or love.

Very true. And yet the Free Will Baptists are very controlling/opressive of their membership.

 

[Mad Scientist]

LOL, scientist. Ask an honest question and get a smartass...

The OP asked why "a just a righteous God would allow all this to happen". I wonder why He allows a car bombing, plane hi-jacking, suicide cult of a religion to continue.

It's a legit question.

 

[Big Fitz]

Originally posted by Fitz
Spoken like a true ignoramus.

Ok then, Fitz...

You just solved one of the most intractable issues of all western theology. The same issue Augustine, Aquinas tried in vain to explain.

Is that better for your ego?

No. My issue was with your shitty attitude. I didn't attack your answer in case you missed it.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Without Free will and the power to choose ones destiny, there is no real life or love.

Very true. And yet the Free Will Baptists are very controlling/opressive of their membership.

That's their problem.

 

[Big Fitz]

Without Free will and the power to choose ones destiny, there is no real life or love.

Very true. And yet the Free Will Baptists are very controlling/opressive of their membership.

That's their problem.

The reason to be leary of every denomination.

 

[Granny]

P.S., as a Christian... I can't stand Benny Hinn either. I can't say he's a charlatan, or fraud for I don't really know about his healing powers. But he is a revolting showman who I think hurts Christianity with his histronics.

Maybe you can't say he's a charlatan - but I can. He's no different than Jim and Tammy Bakker, Herbert W. Armstrong, and a whole lot of others who prey on the hopes and fears of others to make a mint for themselves.

You are right that these people hurt Christianity with their histrionics.

 

[Middleman]

i have a question for those of all faiths and those who have none....

why would a just and righteous god allow what is going on to go on?

why would he allow his beloved children to hate each other over beliefs in him or her?

i see people like benny hinn (the faith healer) and wonder why god doesnt strike him dead? do you ever wonder about this?

Yes. I wonder at the mystery of life. It is perplexing/

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

i have a question for those of all faiths and those who have none....

why would a just and righteous god allow what is going on to go on?

why would he allow his beloved children to hate each other over beliefs in him or her?

i see people like benny hinn (the faith healer) and wonder why god doesnt strike him dead? do you ever wonder about this?

1. Its my belief that Benny Hinn appeals to a certain section of listeners/sinners.
2. And his form of preaching and teaching translates well to them, his audiance.
3. And as long as people hear the word, and they get saved, I believe its Gods will, and God will not stop what Benny Hill is doing just because many non belivers can't stand his methods.
4. Maybe if you just listened to him with open ears you might get it, perhaps Satan is making you resist, and thats what it is thats bothering you, and you don't know why.
5. Hating other religions, if those religions mean to cause you harm is no surprise, as a human being, I can't be expected to love islam, now many arabs who are the purveyors of islam turn to Christ, whom then are Christain brothers, and them I do not hate, its islam thats hateable, and I ofcourse hate islam, everything about it.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[SmarterThanHick]

when things go bad it's our own fault cuz we have the free will but when things go good praise jesus who done gave it to you!

 

[p kirkes]

The book of Job in the old testament may bear on the OP's question.

Job, a righteous man, was allowed by God to be tested by Satan who claimed that Job would curse God if all he had was taken away. God put just one condition on Satan and that was not to kill Job.

So Job suffered at the hands of Satan, but remained true and did not curse God. He did, however, want to know why all this befell him. Even Job's friends accused him of sin, they were wrong, but that was the prevalent thinking of the time. That is, prosperity equals righteousness, poverty, illness equals sinfulness.

At the end of the test period, God spoke with Job, not to explain what He did but to demonstrate his awesomeness. Job was suitably humbled and God restored Job's fortunes more than before.

This book reveals the Sovereignty of God, His ways are not our ways, He doesn't have to explain anything, but we must know that he is the Creator and we are the created. It shows, I believe, the correct relationship we should have with God. To love Him with all your heart, mind, strength, and your neighbor as yourself.

However, if one wants to substitute their own rules to live by, then you have free will to do so. But God had something to say about that, ....."there is a way which seems right to a man but it's end is the way of death", Proverbs 13; V-12.

Let me say that faith to believe what God has revealed allows one to accept these words. Thus, this question, for me, has been asked and answered centuries ago.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Do you punish your children when the disobey? Do you love them? We all all God's children yet we were born in sin. Jesus is the our Savior and only through him can you become one of the saved ones. The trials and tribulations we go through test our commitment to God. Yes many bad things happen in the world, but the world is Satan's playground and it is through him that these bad things happen. God allows this because Adam and Eve chose to violate the law and God sentenced human kind to live in Satan's world. Temptation will always exist until Jesus returns.

so you are saying when Jesus returns.....Temptation suddenly becomes something we know nothing about?......it just vanishes from our minds?.....

 

[Big Fitz]

Do you punish your children when the disobey? Do you love them? We all all God's children yet we were born in sin. Jesus is the our Savior and only through him can you become one of the saved ones. The trials and tribulations we go through test our commitment to God. Yes many bad things happen in the world, but the world is Satan's playground and it is through him that these bad things happen. God allows this because Adam and Eve chose to violate the law and God sentenced human kind to live in Satan's world. Temptation will always exist until Jesus returns.

so you are saying when Jesus returns.....Temptation suddenly becomes something we know nothing about?......it just vanishes from our minds?.....

well that does kinda run contrary to Scripture where it talks about the people being led astray near the end of the 1000 years of peace under Christ's rule before the doors are slammed shut on all those who rebel against God.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Lots and lots of messages but absolutely no answer to strollingbones' questions:

why would a just and righteous god allow what is going on to go on?

why would he allow his beloved children to hate each other over beliefs in him or her?

A God who favors the freedom of his creatures to do evil over goodness itself is not the totally righteous spiritual being described in Judeo-Christian theology.

then the battle between Lucifer and his minions and God and his Followers that i described earlier takes on a little more meaning......its something going on between the "Heavenly" dwellers that we dont know much about,except....we are the pawns,and cant do a dam thing about it.....

 

[mattskramer]

Sin, man's fall (corporately), God's redemption (individually), man restored (individually), then comes the end of time and eternal life for those who chose to be saved.

What was this individual's child's sin? What about children who suffer and die before being given a chance to learn of Jesus and make an informed choice? I guess that they go to hell.

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[(R)IGHTeous 1]

i have a question for those of all faiths and those who have none....

why would a just and righteous god allow what is going on to go on?

why would he allow his beloved children to hate each other over beliefs in him or her?

i see people like benny hinn (the faith healer) and wonder why god doesnt strike him dead? do you ever wonder about this?

God gave us all, his creation FREE WILL. What we do on this Earth is OUR doing, and OUR doing alone.

God allows us domain over this world, watching how we act, remember him, or not, live for him, or not, choose good, or evil, etc.

God will intervene eventually, sooner rather than later, to find out how, read REVELATIONS.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

God gave us all, his creation FREE WILL. What we do on this Earth is OUR doing, and OUR doing alone.

God allows us domain over this world, watching how we act, remember him, or not, live for him, or not, choose good, or evil, etc.

God will intervene eventually, sooner rather than later, to find out how, read REVELATIONS.

so you're saying it's always our free will alone without any interference.

except when god intervenes.

which you have no way of telling

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

god gave us all, his creation free will. What we do on this earth is our doing, and our doing alone.

god allows us domain over this world, watching how we act, remember him, or not, live for him, or not, choose good, or evil, etc.

God will intervene eventually, sooner rather than later, to find out how, read revelations.

so you're saying it's always our free will alone without any interference.

Except when god intervenes.

Which you have no way of telling

Again, read revelations.

 

[Douger]

Ya talkin about King James' Gawd ?
The entity in the story that kills everything on earth but a handful of Jews and a bunch of animals on a ship .
He loves you !

Praise Allah
I wonder if I can trade in the seventy two virgins for a couple retired porn starlets ?

 

[zzzz]

Do you punish your children when the disobey? Do you love them? We all all God's children yet we were born in sin. Jesus is the our Savior and only through him can you become one of the saved ones. The trials and tribulations we go through test our commitment to God. Yes many bad things happen in the world, but the world is Satan's playground and it is through him that these bad things happen. God allows this because Adam and Eve chose to violate the law and God sentenced human kind to live in Satan's world. Temptation will always exist until Jesus returns.

so you are saying when Jesus returns.....Temptation suddenly becomes something we know nothing about?......it just vanishes from our minds?.....

well that does kinda run contrary to Scripture where it talks about the people being led astray near the end of the 1000 years of peace under Christ's rule before the doors are slammed shut on all those who rebel against God.

When the those who are saved are taken unto God and Satan's reign on earth has ended, temptation, greed, and other human desires will cease to exist and we will exist on another level, not as mortals but immortals. No one can say what or how that existence will be like except that it will be wonderful. Except for those souls that Satan took into hell with him. For them it is everlasting pain, suffering, torment ...