307,000 veterans died waiting for health care

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Tell that to these folks. Oh look he's only the Premier of the province. And lookey here, she's a MP and she had to go to California for some of her treatment. For every success story you trot out, I can trot out 40,000 failures. If you want to go with personal stories a good friend of mine who has worked for BC Corrections for 30 years sold his house so he could pay for cancer treatments in Santa Barbara so that his wife could live. Otherwise, based on Canadian wait times she was looking at surgery in 8 months when she needed it NOW.

Danny Williams, Canadian Official, Seeks Heart Surgery In US

The premier of Canada's east coast province is undergoing heart surgery in the United States this week because the treatment he is seeking was not available in his home province.

Danny Williams, Canadian Official, Seeks Heart Surgery In US

OTTAWA–Belinda Stronach, the MP for Newmarket-Aurora and former cabinet minister, travelled outside Canada's health-care system to California for some of her breast cancer treatment earlier this year.

Stronach, diagnosed in the spring with a type of breast cancer that required a mastectomy and breast reconstruction, went to California in June at her Toronto doctor's suggestion, a spokesperson confirmed.
Stronach travels to U.S. for cancer treatment | Toronto Star

Long Canadian wait times send patients south for surgery | Video

And I can show you the millions of lives ruined thanks to medical debt and a fear of seeking healthcare due to costs. Nothing is perfect.

Correct, nothing is perfect. So why do you approve of something that is going to be even worse than what it is replacing? Gruber himself admitted that they were lying to the dumb Americans to pass this shit. Why are you not up in arms over that?

Err, universal healthcare, empirically, is better for the people then a private health system.

Theoretically maybe, but in practice they have never lived up to the hype. In the UK they let a 22 year old die because he was a heavy drinker and he killed his liver. They never gave him the chance to mend his ways. This is the world you want to live in...


Alcoholic Cirrhosis Kills 22 Year Old Londoner Who Was Denied a Liver Transplant

Alcoholic Cirrhosis Kills 22 Year Old Londoner Who Was Denied a Liver Transplant

Not theoretically, look at life expectancy, medical debt, the people who get care without worry. Wait, what? A 22 year old who was a heavy drinker killed his liver? Ok? What's your point? I know cuban immigrants (illegal) who ran back to cuba because they couldn't afford healthcare here, LOL.

Here in the US there would have been a huge uproar if he were allowed to die without a chance. Life expectancy is not the only metric. How about comparing life expectancy after contracting cancer. In other words, when you get sick, what is your life expectancy?

US v UK: The breast cancer survival stakes
An American woman's chances of developing breast cancer are slightly higher than her British counterpart - but she is far more likely to survive.
One U.S. woman in eight can expect to have the disease at some point in her life, compared with one in nine in Britain.
But five-year survival rates for all forms of the disease - including the most advanced - stand at 85 per cent in the U.S and just under
74 per cent in the UK. If the cancer is caught early - at what doctors call stage 1 - the differences in survival are even more shocking.
An American woman has a 97 per cent chance of being alive five years after diagnosis.
In Britain, this figure is only 78 per cent.



Read more: US v UK: The breast cancer survival stakes
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And I can show you the millions of lives ruined thanks to medical debt and a fear of seeking healthcare due to costs. Nothing is perfect.

Correct, nothing is perfect. So why do you approve of something that is going to be even worse than what it is replacing? Gruber himself admitted that they were lying to the dumb Americans to pass this shit. Why are you not up in arms over that?

Err, universal healthcare, empirically, is better for the people then a private health system.

Theoretically maybe, but in practice they have never lived up to the hype. In the UK they let a 22 year old die because he was a heavy drinker and he killed his liver. They never gave him the chance to mend his ways. This is the world you want to live in...


Alcoholic Cirrhosis Kills 22 Year Old Londoner Who Was Denied a Liver Transplant

Alcoholic Cirrhosis Kills 22 Year Old Londoner Who Was Denied a Liver Transplant

Not theoretically, look at life expectancy, medical debt, the people who get care without worry. Wait, what? A 22 year old who was a heavy drinker killed his liver? Ok? What's your point? I know cuban immigrants (illegal) who ran back to cuba because they couldn't afford healthcare here, LOL.

Here in the US there would have been a huge uproar if he were allowed to die without a chance. Life expectancy is not the only metric. How about comparing life expectancy after contracting cancer. In other words, when you get sick, what is your life expectancy?

US v UK: The breast cancer survival stakes
An American woman's chances of developing breast cancer are slightly higher than her British counterpart - but she is far more likely to survive.
One U.S. woman in eight can expect to have the disease at some point in her life, compared with one in nine in Britain.
But five-year survival rates for all forms of the disease - including the most advanced - stand at 85 per cent in the U.S and just under
74 per cent in the UK. If the cancer is caught early - at what doctors call stage 1 - the differences in survival are even more shocking.
An American woman has a 97 per cent chance of being alive five years after diagnosis.
In Britain, this figure is only 78 per cent.



Read more: US v UK: The breast cancer survival stakes
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

So looking at one specific cancer is a way to demonize an entire health system? Amazing, I will admit the system has trouble, but it's a hell of a lot better then our private system that ruins peoples lives if they can't pay.