1 woman & her purse vs. 3 violent men...no one has a gun...poor woman...

A look at the truth about gun accidents...

GunCite-Gun Accidents

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n Targeting Guns, Dr. Kleck concludes in part, "Most gun accidents occur in the home, many (perhaps most) of them involving guns kept for defense. However, very few accidents occur in connection with actual defensive uses of guns. Gun accidents are generally committed by unusually reckless people with records of heavy drinking, repeated involvement in automobile crashes, many traffic citations, and prior arrests for assault. Gun accidents, then, involve a rare and atypical subset of the population, as both shooters and victims. They rarely involve children, and most commonly involve adolescents and young adults."

"The risk of a gun accident is extremely low, even among defensive gun owners, except among a very small, identifiably high-risk subset of the population. Consequently, it is doubtful whether, for the average gun owner, the risk of a gun accident could counterbalance the benefits of keeping a gun in the home for protection: the risk of an accident is quite low overall, and is virtually nonexistent for most gun owners." (p 321)

Don't be a low life and your odds for having a gun accident go down...

There are still more accidental shootings than homicides.

One could use your advice to avoid crime also, no gun needed. Being careful about where you go and who you hangout with is great for avoiding crime.
 
Do your chances of survival go up when you're armed?

Is a woman more likely to be raped when she's packing a deadly weapon?

Actually on #1 I'd say they go down.

Sorry, but that notion is idiotic. If chance of survival goes down when you're armed, then we should disarm our soldiers when they're in wartime. Why oh why didn't warring nations in centuries past discard their swords in battle in order to increase their odds of survival???

Thanks. You just destroyed your own point.

Two armies meet for battle at dawn. All is ready. Suddenly God comes down and pulls all the guns. How many casualties do you have by sunset?

Think about it.

And on the third day the armies re-equipped with sharp pointed sticks, and there was much slaughter and merriment.

-- not to mention the weeping and gnashing of teeth. :thup:

People will always find ways to kill and injure other people. What you asshats want to do is disarm the people who DON'T feel the need to impinge on their fellow citizens.
 
Do your chances of survival go up when you're armed?

Is a woman more likely to be raped when she's packing a deadly weapon?

Actually on #1 I'd say they go down.

Sorry, but that notion is idiotic. If chance of survival goes down when you're armed, then we should disarm our soldiers when they're in wartime. Why oh why didn't warring nations in centuries past discard their swords in battle in order to increase their odds of survival???

Thanks. You just destroyed your own point.

Two armies meet for battle at dawn. All is ready. Suddenly God comes down and pulls all the guns. How many casualties do you have by sunset?

Think about it.

That's ridiculous.

Two opposing armies. One armed, one unarmed.

What happens? Reconcile that.

Two people. One a criminal armed with a knife. The other an unarmed innocent.

What happens?

Why are you trying so hard to twist and distort common sense? You make it sound as if not defending yourself with a weapon actually improves your chances of survival, as if criminals and would-be-criminals don't exist. Hello? Have you ever been mugged? Ever been attacked? It happens more often than you think, and just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean you get a say in keeping anyone also from being protected. Next thing you'll be saying is that clothes and survival gear decreases your chances of survival in the wild.

The point has zero to do with "defense".

The point has to do with the ludicrous mentality that the way to fight a fire is to douse it with gasoline.

Guns -- and by extension the general concept of dealing with every issue by obliterating/destroying it, is not an answer. Predending it is is just juvenile..

Yes, I have been mugged. Fortunately there were no firearms involved so all I lost was a wallet. Wallets and the money in them can be replaced.

Funny thing -- it was right after that mugging that I had the cops draw guns on me. When they found out I had no ID it really pissed them off. Part of that same mentality.
 
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Shouldn't you tell people they are more likely to be accidently shot than murdered with a gun when you are pushing them for protection?

actually, the research does not back this up...in the 19 studies the lowest reported number of times a gun is used, outside of obama's study, was 760,000...gun accidents far lower than that and deaths due to gun accidents are about 6-700 a year...so you are wrong again...

And the gun grabbers will stop any attempt to help educate the public about gun safety...they prefer people dying and being injured in accidents because it is more important for them to get guns banned than it is to save lives...

Where is the body count to support so many defenses? Your surveys are obviously very wrong.
 
Actually on #1 I'd say they go down.

Sorry, but that notion is idiotic. If chance of survival goes down when you're armed, then we should disarm our soldiers when they're in wartime. Why oh why didn't warring nations in centuries past discard their swords in battle in order to increase their odds of survival???

Thanks. You just destroyed your own point.

Two armies meet for battle at dawn. All is ready. Suddenly God comes down and pulls all the guns. How many casualties do you have by sunset?

Think about it.

And on the third day the armies re-equipped with sharp pointed sticks, and there was much slaughter and merriment.

-- not to mention the weeping and gnashing of teeth. :thup:

People will always find ways to kill and injure other people. What you asshats want to do is disarm the people who DON'T feel the need to impinge on their fellow citizens.

Once AGAIN --- where did anyone "disarm" any of the four people in this story? WHERE?

They CHOSE not to be armed. And by the way, the total number killed was zero.
 
There are still more accidental shootings than homicides.

But there are far, far more times a gun is successfully used to save a life and stop a violent crime...more than the total number of accidents and more than any accidental gun deaths...so having a gun is a positive for society...

Again, don't be a low life and you won't accidentally shoot yourself or a family member...

and teach gun safety...
 
Where is the body count to support so many defenses? Your surveys are obviously very wrong.


All 19 studies, done by different researchers from both private and government researchers...over a 40 year period...since gun grabbers love the government...the Dept. of justice did a study that found 1.4 million times a gun was used to save a life and stop crime and obama had his CDC to a study in 2013 and they found the numbers to be between 500,000 and 3 million times a year...

Tell all 19 researchers they are wrong...
 
Sorry, but that notion is idiotic. If chance of survival goes down when you're armed, then we should disarm our soldiers when they're in wartime. Why oh why didn't warring nations in centuries past discard their swords in battle in order to increase their odds of survival???

Thanks. You just destroyed your own point.

Two armies meet for battle at dawn. All is ready. Suddenly God comes down and pulls all the guns. How many casualties do you have by sunset?

Think about it.

And on the third day the armies re-equipped with sharp pointed sticks, and there was much slaughter and merriment.

-- not to mention the weeping and gnashing of teeth. :thup:

People will always find ways to kill and injure other people. What you asshats want to do is disarm the people who DON'T feel the need to impinge on their fellow citizens.

Once AGAIN --- where did anyone "disarm" any of the four people in this story? WHERE?

They CHOSE not to be armed. And by the way, the total number killed was zero.

In most rapes the total killed is zero, so I guess that makes it OK then....

and in NYC you do NOT choose not to be armed, it is thrust upon you if you are law abiding.
 
The point has to do with the ludicrous mentality that the way to fight a fire is to douse it with gasoline.

The way you stop a violent criminal is to carry and use a gun effectively...most of the time this means no shots are fired and the criminal is driven off...1.4 million times a year on average...
 
Where is the body count to support so many defenses? Your surveys are obviously very wrong.


All 19 studies, done by different researchers from both private and government researchers...over a 40 year period...since gun grabbers love the government...the Dept. of justice did a study that found 1.4 million times a gun was used to save a life and stop crime and obama had his CDC to a study in 2013 and they found the numbers to be between 500,000 and 3 million times a year...

Tell all 19 researchers they are wrong...

Yes they are wrong. They are just surveys. If those were accurate we would have lots of dead criminals. We do not.
 
The point has to do with the ludicrous mentality that the way to fight a fire is to douse it with gasoline.

The way you stop a violent criminal is to carry and use a gun effectively...most of the time this means no shots are fired and the criminal is driven off...1.4 million times a year on average...

So most of the time people would be safer with a realistic cap gun? Just wouldn't have to worry about accidental shootings?
 
All this guns are the answer to everything stuff reminds me of the time Homer Simpson got a gun.


Guns, like hammers, are tools with a specific purpose. The hammer to drive spikes into wood... Guns to kill human beings that threaten the innocent, and beasts so they can sustain life.

These are serious matters, suited for serious people... matters poorly suited for the constituents of anti-social fiction.

LOL! Socialists... D'OH!


You should've stopped with the bolded.
 
Anti gun people don't care if women are brutalized beaten and raped as long as no one gets shot

No, we just realize that guns aren't going to keep that from happening.

If guns made you safe from Rape, then why does the US have the most rape reports in the world?

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How many of those rape victims had guns on them when they were raped?

Without knowing that your point is meaningless as usual.
 
And no one even deserves the chance to defense themselves.

Tell me are you going to stop it? No

We already know the cops can't stop it.

So let's just make it impossible for people to defend themselves.

As long as no one gets shot it's all good.

I can think of a whole lot of things we can do to reduce rape.

Arming women isn't one of them. Again, if guns made us safer from rape, why does the US have the most reported rapes in the world?
Because all women aren't armed.

Seems obvious.
 
A gun in the house is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a bad guy.

And again with the bullshit Kellerman.

What makes you think that stat is not correct? I haven't looked into it, but the body count certainly doesn't support that many criminals are being killed. Ah, I guess the stat probably includes suicides? If so I'd like to see the stat without suicides.

Kellerman limited himself to gun deaths in the home, and it came out to 39 suicides, 3.5 homicides and .5 accidents to every bad guy killed.

The FBI's figures are even more damning. they estimate only 201 "Justifiable" homicides with guns out of 32,000 gun deaths every year.

Just remember, 32,000 gun deaths aren't a health care crisis but 1 Ebola death- EVERYBODY FUCKING PANIC!!!

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Again, who cares about suicides.

And again, you ignore the deterrent factor, as usual.

But keep sucking government dick, you cheap fascist hack.

Why wouldn't you care about suicides?
You are just as dead and a gun is the leading tool used for suicide
Suicide isn't a crime and who are you to tell someone they can't end their own life if they so choose?
 
The point has to do with the ludicrous mentality that the way to fight a fire is to douse it with gasoline.

The way you stop a violent criminal is to carry and use a gun effectively...most of the time this means no shots are fired and the criminal is driven off...1.4 million times a year on average...

Of course, because the best answer to violence is .... more violence!
We humans figured that out a long time ago.

Damn, that was the best idea we ever had. Look how it's worked out through history. I tell ya we're fuckin' geniuses.
 
The point has to do with the ludicrous mentality that the way to fight a fire is to douse it with gasoline.

The way you stop a violent criminal is to carry and use a gun effectively...most of the time this means no shots are fired and the criminal is driven off...1.4 million times a year on average...

Of course, because the best answer to violence is .... more violence!
We humans figured that out a long time ago.

Damn, that was the best idea we ever had. Look how it's worked out through history. I tell ya we're fuckin' geniuses.

The answer to violence can be controlled limited violence in return.

Do police officers apprehend suspects with a big hug and candy?
 
The point has to do with the ludicrous mentality that the way to fight a fire is to douse it with gasoline.

The way you stop a violent criminal is to carry and use a gun effectively...most of the time this means no shots are fired and the criminal is driven off...1.4 million times a year on average...

Of course, because the best answer to violence is .... more violence!
We humans figured that out a long time ago.

Damn, that was the best idea we ever had. Look how it's worked out through history. I tell ya we're fuckin' geniuses.

The answer to violence can be controlled limited violence in return.

Do police officers apprehend suspects with a big hug and candy?

Yes limited, like mag capacity should be.
 

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