Zelensky is fighting Trump’s ceasefire efforts, "Russia must return all territory gained since 2014

[Deadstick]

There was no reason for NATO if Russia remained peaceful

Now, it is needed more than ever

There was no need for it after the end of the Warsaw pact you are just using excuses for NATO aggression.

 

[Deadstick]

Meanwhile another act of Piracy on the high seas, Estonia with NATO attempt to hijack a Russian Ship in International waters involving a warship and aircraft until a Russian fighter jet turned up, they should have blasted the Estonian gangsters to hell.

State-Sponsored Piracy? Estonia’s NATO-Backed Interception of Tanker Sparks Outrage

A disturbing incident in the Baltic Sea has raised concerns over what appears to be an act of maritime piracy...

southfront.press

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Both invasions happened during Democrat Administrations you fucking retard.

Has NOTHING to do with what the lying, orange, Russian asset stated, you fucking moron.

 

[Ringo]

The Ukrainians insist on three points for the negotiations. All of them are ridiculous and proof that Kiev is either insane or just says random things in total disconnect with reality (which is also a form of insanity).

1) Total ceasefire for 30 days
The Russian government has said for close to a full year now that there will be no ceasefire during negotiations, because a long ceasefire would disproportionately benefit the Ukrainian army, allowing them to regroup and rearm. The negotiations are there to find a way to a "lasting peace" that addresses the "root causes" of the conflict.
A 30 days ceasefire would achieve nothing other than disrupt the ongoing Russian summer campaign and allow the Ukrainian army to fight more effectively in the future. There is zero reason for Russia to agree to this. It's literally just "you have to stop winning because we don't want you to win".

Verdict: mentally ill

2) Return of 'deported' Ukrainian children
This INSANE blood libel they insist on would mean sacrificing Russian children from Russian families who were saved from Ukrainian terror shelling. There are families that were split up because of the war, but most of them have already been reunited via negotiations in Doha. The current Ukrainian demand is literally to hand over Donetsk orphans whose parents they murdered.
Looking at the fate of thousands of Ukrainian children who were 'saved' by Western NGOs and just disappeared from the face of the earth, this is legitimately among the most psychotically evil demands they could potentially conjure up. Personally I would put whoever even brings this up publicly on an FSB kill list.

Verdict: mentally ill and criminal

3) Exchange of prisoners of war, "all for all".
The Kiev regime currently holds about 1,000 Russian servicemen and 500+ civilians, including 52 civilians they kidnapped from Kursk oblast. They want to exchange these for about 9,000 Ukrainian soldiers who are held as POWs in Russia.
Again, this is completely insane and would be both a HUGE concession for no reason, and also only serve as an incentive for the Kiev regime to take even more civilians hostage (a practice they started during the Donbass War in 2014, when they kidnapped random Ukrainian civilians they accused of being "pro-Russian" and exchanged them to the Donbass Republics for their own captive soldiers).

Verdict: mentally ill and criminal

 

[martybegan]

Has NOTHING to do with what the lying, orange, Russian asset stated, you fucking moron.

Has everything to do with Dems being on watch when it happened, and in Obama's case, doing squat when they took the Crimea.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Has everything to do with Dems being on watch when it happened, and in Obama's case, doing squat when they took the Crimea.

You, as usual, are FOS.

Trump Made Secret Efforts to Lift Russia Sanctions​

Newsweek
https://www.newsweek.com › trump-white-house-secret...
Jun 2, 2017 — President Donald Trump's administration moved quickly to try and lift economic sanctions on Russia and other punishments former President ...

 

[martybegan]

You, as usual, are FOS.

Trump Made Secret Efforts to Lift Russia Sanctions​

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https://www.newsweek.com › trump-white-house-secret...
Jun 2, 2017 — President Donald Trump's administration moved quickly to try and lift economic sanctions on Russia and other punishments former President ...

Newsweek, from 2017.

And yet Putin didn't invade while Trump was President.

Keep hacking, you hacking hack.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Newsweek, from 2017.

And yet Putin didn't invade while Trump was President.

So?

Keep hacking, you hacking hack.

Trump lifted the sanctions Obama put in place, HACK.

 

[martybegan]

So?


Trump lifted the sanctions Obama put in place, HACK.

He's trying to get a ceasefire, more than 3 years of Biden just paying for a Stalemate.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

He's trying to get a ceasefire, more than 3 years of Biden just paying for a Stalemate.

You are as FOS as your dear leader.



As usual, Trump takes Putin, his daddy's side.

 

[martybegan]

You are as FOS as your dear leader.



As usual, Trump takes Putin, his daddy's side.

Considering Russia occupies the land it wants to take, Trump is right.

Unless you advocate for NATO to step in and take the land back for them, Ukraine isn't getting that land back anytime soon.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Considering Russia occupies the land it wants to take, Trump is right.

WTF?
NO, he isn't.

The Mexicans occupy 35% of Texas.
So, let them have what they occupy?

Unless you advocate for NATO to step in and take the land back for them, Ukraine isn't getting that land back anytime soon.

Very well possible.

 

[martybegan]

WTF?
NO, he isn't.

The Mexicans occupy 35% of Texas.
So, let them have what they occupy?


Very well possible.

They don't "occupy" Texas, illegals are squatting there and other places, and we are taking care of that.

Your continued excuses on this matter are sad.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

They don't "occupy" Texas, illegals are squatting there and other places, and we are taking care of that.

Sure they do.
"Illegals"?
That's what Russians are in Ukraine.
They are trying to take care of that too.

Your continued excuses on this matter are sad.

You and your dear leaders excuses are even sadder.

 

[martybegan]

Sure they do.
"Illegals"?
That's what Russians are in Ukraine.
They are trying to take care of that too.

You and your dear leaders excuses are even sadder.

You make as much sense as investing in fax machines in 2025.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

You make as much sense as investing in fax machines in 2025.

You make as much sense as investing in Trump's bitcoin in ANY year.

 

[Deadstick]

The Ukrainians insist on three points for the negotiations. All of them are ridiculous and proof that Kiev is either insane or just says random things in total disconnect with reality (which is also a form of insanity).

1) Total ceasefire for 30 days
The Russian government has said for close to a full year now that there will be no ceasefire during negotiations, because a long ceasefire would disproportionately benefit the Ukrainian army, allowing them to regroup and rearm. The negotiations are there to find a way to a "lasting peace" that addresses the "root causes" of the conflict.
A 30 days ceasefire would achieve nothing other than disrupt the ongoing Russian summer campaign and allow the Ukrainian army to fight more effectively in the future. There is zero reason for Russia to agree to this. It's literally just "you have to stop winning because we don't want you to win".

Verdict: mentally ill

2) Return of 'deported' Ukrainian children
This INSANE blood libel they insist on would mean sacrificing Russian children from Russian families who were saved from Ukrainian terror shelling. There are families that were split up because of the war, but most of them have already been reunited via negotiations in Doha. The current Ukrainian demand is literally to hand over Donetsk orphans whose parents they murdered.
Looking at the fate of thousands of Ukrainian children who were 'saved' by Western NGOs and just disappeared from the face of the earth, this is legitimately among the most psychotically evil demands they could potentially conjure up. Personally I would put whoever even brings this up publicly on an FSB kill list.

Verdict: mentally ill and criminal

3) Exchange of prisoners of war, "all for all".
The Kiev regime currently holds about 1,000 Russian servicemen and 500+ civilians, including 52 civilians they kidnapped from Kursk oblast. They want to exchange these for about 9,000 Ukrainian soldiers who are held as POWs in Russia.
Again, this is completely insane and would be both a HUGE concession for no reason, and also only serve as an incentive for the Kiev regime to take even more civilians hostage (a practice they started during the Donbass War in 2014, when they kidnapped random Ukrainian civilians they accused of being "pro-Russian" and exchanged them to the Donbass Republics for their own captive soldiers).

Verdict: mentally ill and criminal

They repeated the lie about kidnapped children today on SKY news, it's what i expect now but still shocks me when they repeat lies and Ukrainian propaganda masquerading as news, all the fighting has been in Donbass that is pro Russian, i have said before those kids have been evacuated out of danger from Ukrainians trying to kill them with indiscriminate shelling of places like Donetsk, anyone normal would want to get their kids out of danger, like my mother and her siblings were evacuated from Manchester out of danger from the Luftwaffe who were bombing the city every night and they repeated the Bucha false flag again, they are serial liars.

 

[Zavulon]

The Ukrainians insist on three points for the negotiations. All of them are ridiculous and proof that Kiev is either insane or just says random things in total disconnect with reality (which is also a form of insanity).

They are not "insane". There is just the big interest between interests of Ukraine's citizens and interests of Kievan Junta. Continue of war means poverty and death for many Ukrainian citizens, but it means continuing flow of money for Kievan regime. So, their choice "Money for Zelenskiy, death to Ukrainians" is definitely immoral but, in some way, rational. There is no "Ukrainian nation" as a whole and united political force, thats cause "psychology of temporary leaders" - "to steal 100 roubles and run away". "Ukrainian state" is not just "failed", it is "deathborn". Ukrainian "leaders" don't see Ukrainian citizens as their "people", they see them as cattle to be sold on slaughter.
Same way, European (and American) choice seems (from their point of view) more or less "rational" - to change some virtual money, in fact - ones and zeros in bank computers to real distraction (or even destruction) of Russian political influence (and real resources like Syrian oil).

Of course, both those decisions are not very safe and smart but they are gambling. You know, like "American roulette" - six chambers with five cartriges.
Thats how they see the situation (as far as I can understand their logic).
And it leaves us only one option - "We have to repeat".

 

[FireFly]

Yes but it didn't mean anything,Nato kept pushing east and there was a drunken clown running Russia at the time who was your kind of guy allowing Western Corporate jackals and Russian Oligarchs to loot Russia while he stumbled about in a alcoholic induced haze.

That's how America First works. Trump wants to surrender.

 

[AlexanderPK]

That's how America First works. Trump wants to surrender.

Whereas Biden, mostly missing the toilet whilst pissing, was willing to fight of course, right?