Zelensky challenges Trump to release plan to end Ukraine war with Russia

[there4eyeM]

Do Putin's trolls get aged vodka, or just the normal?

 

[Marener]

Ukraine's biggest mistake was to become a puppet for the MIC

They were never gonna let him join NATO

they wanted a reaction from putin

and they got it

Countries want to join NATO to protect themselves from Russian aggression. They’ve proven this is an exceedingly rational desire.

 

[AntonToo]

An agreement with the U.S. Is not worth the paper it's written on

What the hell are you talking about? Which written agreements did US break?

Unlike Russia (that directly violated at least 4 agreements by invading Ukraine) we respect international law and honor our official agreements.

 

[ESay]

What agreement? Do you even know what Russia’s proposal that Ukraine rejected was?

It sure as hell wasn’t for Russians to leave occupied territories and it sure as hell didn’t give Ukraine any security guarantees.

You sound like Russian propagandist

The Stambul Accords. They have already been published. Yes, they were bad. And I think that Ukraine should have started negotiations in November 2022, after Kharkiv and Kherson counter-offensives. Its position was the strongest exactly then.

Of course Russia isn't going to leave the occupied lands. Not as the result of this war, at least.

 

[AntonToo]

The Stambul Accords. They have already been published. Yes, they were bad. And I think that Ukraine should have started negotiations in November 2022, after Kharkiv and Kherson counter-offensives. Its position was the strongest exactly then.

Of course Russia isn't going to leave the occupied lands. Not as the result of this war, at least.

So you admit that Istambul Accords were bad for Ukraine, that Ukranian position is stronger now and that Russia's terms are still unacceptable for Ukraine today.

Now tell me again that Russian bullshit about Boris Johnson making Ukranians do something.

 

[ESay]

So you admit that Istambul Accords were bad for Ukraine, that Ukranian position is stronger now and that Russia's terms are still unacceptable for Ukraine today.

Now tell me again that Russian bullshit about Boris Johnson making Ukranians do something.

Yes, they were bad and Ukraine missed a chance to negotiate something better. Ukraine's position is much weaker now than it was in the late 2022. And it will be worse. The thing is that after these senseless months of the war Ukraine will inevitable come to Istambul 2 Agreements. That may be worse, than in the first case.

 

[AntonToo]

Yes, they were bad and Ukraine missed a chance to negotiate something better. Ukraine's position is much weaker now than it was in the late 2022. And it will be worse. The thing is that after these senseless months of the war Ukraine will inevitable come to Istambul 2 Agreements. That may be worse, than in the first case.

They are not "senseless months". Russia's millitary and economy is bleeding out every single day this war keeps going. Every single day Ukraine and it's allies are closer to winning this war, closer to making sure Russia NEVER invades any other country and giving future imperialists wanna-be's something to consider before starting a lawless, bloody conflict to grab some land.

Just like you were wrong about Ukraine needing to give into Russian demands in Istambul, you are now wrong now about them needing to fold to more or less same ridiculous demands Russia has today.

 

[ESay]

They are not "senseless months". Russia's millitary and economy is bleeding out every single day this war keeps going. Every single day Ukraine and it's allies are closer to winning this war, closer to making sure Russia NEVER invades any other country and giving future imperialists wanna-be's something to consider before starting a lawless, bloody conflict to grab some land.

Just like you were wrong about Ukraine needing to give into Russian demands in Istambul, you are now wrong now about them needing to fold to more or less same ridiculous demands Russia has today.

Dude, I don't need this senseless babbling from your part. These stories were okay awhile ago, but not now. Maybe one day your ilk will come to realization that you were fooled by your masters of puppets. But I don't care about that. The only thing what I want is you getting good booting this November and the current mob of shit clowns leaving the office in disgrace.

 

[AntonToo]

Dude, I don't need this senseless babbling from your part. These stories were okay awhile ago, but not now. Maybe one day your ilk will come to realization that you were fooled by your masters of puppets. But I don't care about that. The only thing what I want is you getting good booting this November and the current mob of shit clowns leaving the office in disgrace.

Dude I don't care about your empty assertions and silly "masters of puppets" fantasies.

You have zero sensible argument for why it's in Ukraine's interest to roll over to Putin's ridiculous demands. Zero sensible argument for how Ukraine is supposed to guarantee it's long term security without NATO membership.

Come back if you can actually can put up something reasoned, instead of globalist conspiracy theories and blatant Russian propaganda about how Boris Johnson supposedly made Ukraine do something they didn't want to.

 

[ESay]

Dude I don't care about your empty assertions and silly "masters of puppets" fantasies.

You have zero sensible argument for why it's in Ukraine's interest to roll over to Putin's ridiculous demands. Zero sensible argument for how Ukraine is supposed to guarantee it's long term security without NATO membership.

Come back if you can actually can put up something reasoned, instead of blatant Russian propaganda about how Boris Johnson supposedly made Ukraine do something they didn't want to.

Reasoned? You people and the word 'reasoned' are oxymoron. I heard enough babbling about great counter-offensive, dividing Russian frontline in half, bridgehead in Krynki etc. Enough this bullshit.

Ukraine won't defeat Russia militarily, Ukraine won't be a NATO member, and Ukraine is facing a military defeat if this stupid war will be going on this way.

Arahamia. Ever heard of this man? Listen to his interview about the negotiations in Istanbul.

 

[AntonToo]

Reasoned? You people and the word 'reasoned' are oxymoron. I heard enough babbling about great counter-offensive, dividing Russian frontline in half, bridgehead in Krynki etc. Enough this bullshit.

Ukraine won't defeat Russia militarily, Ukraine won't be a NATO member, and Ukraine is facing a military defeat if this stupid war will be going on this way.

Arahamia. Ever heard of this man? Listen to his interview about the negotiations in Istanbul.

Yes reasoned response that directly comments on what you are quoting. Crazy idea, I know.

Counter offensive mostly failed last year, so now Ukraine should give up? Should hand over to Russia all the lands it wants (including land and cities Ukraine currently controls), "demiliterize" and assume a "nuetral" status...so Russia can regroup, rebuild and go for Kiev again?

It is litteraly INSANE for Ukranian leadership to agree to these suicidal terms. How do you not get such simple things?

 

[ESay]

Yes reasoned response that directly comments on what you are quoting. Crazy idea, I know.

Counter offensive mostly failed last year, so now Ukraine should give up? Should hand over to Russia all the lands it wants (including land and cities Ukraine currently controls), "demiliterize" and assume a "nuetral" status...so Russia can regroup, rebuild and go for Kiev again?

It is litteraly INSANE for Ukranian leadership to agree to these suicidal terms. How do you not get such simple things?

Ukraine will have to agree on a neutral status, Ukraine will have to agree on the occupied areas being left under Russian control (at least de facto). Closed borders, forced mobilization, the current political regime is what is insane.

 

[AntonToo]

Ukraine will have to agree on a neutral status, Ukraine will have to agree on the occupied areas being left under Russian control (at least de facto). Closed borders, forced mobilization, the current political regime is what is insane.

Nonsense, Ukraine doesn't "have to agree" to insane agreements that do not guarantee it's security, are not worth the paper they are written on.

Current Ukranian political regime is doing what is most SANE - defending it's country, which OF COURSE includes compulsory millitary registration and service.

Russia and most of Europe would be speaking German right now if they followed your ideas on what is "insane".

 

[ESay]

Nonsense, Ukraine doesn't "have to agree" to insane agreements that do not guarantee it's security, are not worth the paper they are written on.

Current Ukranian political regime is doing what is most SANE - defending it's country, which OF COURSE includes compulsory millitary registration and service.

Ukraine is an underdog in this fight. And so, this fight will come to its logical conclusion, whether you like it or not.

 

[AntonToo]

Ukraine is an underdog in this fight. And so, this fight will come to its logical conclusion, whether you like it or not.

Ukraine's resolve, backed by the western world's economic and millitary support will collapse Russian economy, force thier withdrawal and more then likely end Putin's regime.

This is not some untested theory, see Afghanistan and the collapse of Soviet Union. There has never been a successful protracted invasion in modern history.

 

[ESay]

Ukraine's resolve, backed by the western world's economy will collapse Russian economy and with it Putin's regime.

This is not some untested theory, see Afghanistan and the collapse of Soviet Union.

Ukraine's resolve.. Ask yourself why Ukrainian state borders are still closed, and why laws about mobilization and draft dodge are becoming more and more strict.

See Afghanistan and how the American campaign ended there.

 

[AntonToo]

Ukraine's resolve.. Ask yourself why Ukrainian state borders are still closed, and why laws about mobilization and draft dodge are becoming more and more strict.

Because some Ukranians are draft dodgers, just as there were draft dodgers in any conflict, in any country.

You seriously don't know that?

 

[ESay]

Because some Ukranians are draft dodgers, just as there were draft dodgers in any conflict, in any country.

You seriously don't know that?

Sure, and how many countries closed their borders to prevent 'some' dodgers to escape? To name a few.

 

[Independent thinker]

Funny that he hasn't asked Biden for his plan to end the war?

Offhand, I'd say that Trump's plan for ending the war is simple: stop funding it and let Zelenskyy fight his own battles himself. If his neighbors want to chip in, that is their business.

Then I'd guess Trump would either expect repayment of all we've loaned him or we take over the land for ourselves.

MSN

Two things:

1. Why is there a NATO at all if we are just going to out and out defend a country that wasn't even in NATO?

2. It's kind of sad that the big Z is taking advantage of a senior by fleecing him for money. There should be laws against this.

 

[Mrkelly]

What the hell are you talking about? Which written agreements did US break?

Unlike Russia (that directly violated at least 4 agreements by invading Ukraine) we respect international law and honor our official agreements.