Zelensky challenges Trump to release plan to end Ukraine war with Russia

[AntonToo]

The article says documents from his hard drive says he made money from the Ukrainian firm, but, if you want to quibble over 1 year, that’s fine, we’ll say 2014…which means Biden got involved with Ukraine the SAME year his son started working for burisma. That doesn’t make it look any better.

What the **** does Burisma and pre-2021 "Biden got involved in Ukraine" have at all to do with the war?

Ukraine has been recieving aid from United States for as long as it existed as country because we support democratic development and reforms.

 

[sparky]

Ukraine has been recieving aid from United States for as long as it existed as country because we support democratic reforms.

what reforms?

~S~

 

[AntonToo]

what reforms?

~S~

You know, stuff like open markets, constitutionalism, responsibility to the people, human rights, transparency and fair elections....you probably don't.

 

[TrumpMAGA88]

Plan....

CUT ALL FUNDING AND SUPPORT TO UKRAINE DAY ONE

 

[sparky]

you probably don't.

i don't see it happening, do you?

~S~

 

[Faun]

Funny that he hasn't asked Biden for his plan to end the war?

Offhand, I'd say that Trump's plan for ending the war is simple: stop funding it and let Zelenskyy fight his own battles himself. If his neighbors want to chip in, that is their business.

Then I'd guess Trump would either expect repayment of all we've loaned him or we take over the land for ourselves.

MSN

Trump claims he could end the war in a day. Yet he allows the killing to continue.

 

[Faun]

Why do you hate your own country?
Why do you cheer for the enemy of your country (Putin) and sabotage your own country's efforts to protect our allies from Russian aggression?
Are you related to Jane Fonda?

They love Russia since Russia helped Trump beat Hillary.

 

[AntonToo]

i don't see it happening, do you?

~S~

Lets get real, you know nothing about Ukraine aside from your Dear Leader getting caught with his pants down while trying to extort Zelensky's administration and some Biden bullshit.

You don't see Ukrainians holding their government to account, conducting credible elections, peacefully transfering power between multiple administrations, establishing seperations of power, foundations of civil society taking root, efforts to curb corruption and Ukraine making strides to join the EU.

They are all the reasons for Putin's invasion. If and when his populace broadly realizes that Ukranians and other ex-USSR states are living better by adopting western governing ideals is when his repressive Czarist rule starts falling apart and ultimately goes down as a regressive period in Russian history.

 

[ThisIsMe]

What the **** does Burisma and pre-2021 "Biden got involved in Ukraine" have at all to do with the war?

Ukraine has been recieving aid from United States for as long as it existed as country because we support democratic development and reforms.

Who said anything about the war. I said that that the time that Hunter started working for burisma is the same time that Joe became very interested in Ukraine..

As far as last aid to Ukraine, I can’t seem to find any article that mentions any aid to Ukraine before 2014, I’m not saying we haven’t, but I can’t find any articles of it.

 

[AntonToo]

Who said anything about the war. I said that that the time that Hunter started working for burisma is the same time that Joe became very interested in Ukraine.

Wow, you are actually saying with a straight face that it's conspicuous for Vice President of the United States to be extra interested in the region while it's litteraly in the news everyday due to Maidan revolution and RUSSIAN INVASION AND ANNEXATION OF CRIMEA?

How silly can you get?

 

[krichton]

To negociate a peace. Ukraine isn’t winning this war so the only difference between a negotiated peace now or x amount of time in the future is the number of dead people.

Had we just given the written promise to Putin that Ukraine wouldn’t be inducted into NATO we could have avoided the entire thing

Except Putin himself never claimed that was the reason despite Tucker asking him directly if NATO was the reason for the war. Also, why are you so dead set on making the US look weak as ****? Write a letter to Putin? Biden isn't Trump. He's not an agent of Russia. Lmao

 

[krichton]

23 years in the Marine Corps, fought in 2 wars, helps. But the fact that the lines aren't moving. The offensive was an unmitigated disaster, Ukraine is running out of people to fight the war. etc. Im sure you know better though right? Dont take my word for it though.

Ukraine Can't Win the War

There is no realistic chance of total Ukrainian victory next year, or the year after that.

time.com

The longer this war goes the greater risk there is that Ukraine loses not wins.




Someone being invaded doesn't give them the right to our unconditional support. You only care because someone told you it was important.

It's because our commitment wasn't strong nor fast enough. Being slow to deliver weapons or approve them was what allowed Russia to gain a foothold.

Ukraine may not be able to win, but that doesn't mean that Russia can either. They don't have the equipment or manpower to take every single city much less occupy the entire country. If Trump wins reelection and cuts off aid, all gloves will be off and Ukraine will probably send detachments directly into Russia and make many more deep bombing runs with ATACMS and maybe even HiMARs which they were restricted from using for that purpose before.

 

[krichton]

Because we would only be "helping" them kill more people on both sides. That's it. At this point in time they have no ability to push Russia out of Ukraine so now is the time for a negotiated peace.

So you don't realize that any kind of peace treaty with Putin isn't worth the paper it's signed on? A negotiated peace only serves Putin so he can rebuild his army for another go at Ukraine. There's no such thing as peace with Russia.

 

[krichton]

To what end because them expelling Russia from Ukraine at this point isn’t a realistic outcome.

The afghans never expelled Russia from their country. Russia left on their own because the war untenable, just like it is now.

 

[Couchpotato]

The afghans never expelled Russia from their country. Russia left on their own because the war untenable, just like it is now.

2 completely different types of warfare. The Russians were fighting an insurgency in Afghanistan, they are fighting a conventional war in Ukraine.

 

[Couchpotato]

So you don't realize that any kind of peace treaty with Putin isn't worth the paper it's signed on? A negotiated peace only serves Putin so he can rebuild his army for another go at Ukraine. There's no such thing as peace with Russia.

Based on what?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Wow, you are actually saying with a straight face that it's conspicuous for Vice President of the United States to be extra interested in the region while it's litteraly in the news everyday due to Maidan revolution and RUSSIAN INVASION AND ANNEXATION OF CRIMEA?

How silly can you get?

No, in saying that it’s all very coincidental that hunter joins burisma when all this is going down in ukraine.

The US didn’t get involved with crimea because Obama said he didn’t want to risk war with russia

The West Fails to Learn from Crimea’s Ten-Year Occupation

www.wilsoncenter.org

The same year crimea is invaded, hunter is put on the board of burisma. Like 2 years later, Biden has the prosecutor fired for poking around into burisma. Then in 2022, when Russia invaded Ukraine, suddenly the U.S. has to get involved.

Could be that zelensky knew of the shenanigans the bidens were up to in Ukraine and zelensky is leveraging Biden for military aid to keep him quiet

 

[Faun]

No, in saying that it’s all very coincidental that hunter joins burisma when all this is going down in ukraine.

The US didn’t get involved with crimea because Obama said he didn’t want to risk war with russia

The West Fails to Learn from Crimea’s Ten-Year Occupation

www.wilsoncenter.org

The same year crimea is invaded, hunter is put on the board of burisma. Like 2 years later, Biden has the prosecutor fired for poking around into burisma. Then in 2022, when Russia invaded Ukraine, suddenly the U.S. has to get involved.

Could be that zelensky knew of the shenanigans the bidens were up to in Ukraine and zelensky is leveraging Biden for military aid to keep him quiet

LOL

By "poking around into burisma," you mean protecting Burisma's owner from prosecution.

 

[ThisIsMe]

LOL

By "poking around into burisma," you mean protecting Burisma's owner from prosecution.

No, I mean investigations into a company where the vp son is doing business.

 

[Faun]

No, I mean investigations into a company where the vp son is doing business.

LOL

Shokin spent 2014 helping Burisma's owner evade prosecution by a British court and then spent 2015 not actively pursuing a Ukrainian investigation.

So no, he wasn't going after Zlochevsky, Burisma or Hunter.