Zalensky unhappy about peace.

[Lastamender]

You pussies may surrender but real men hold out.

Like Trump never conceding the 2020 election. Like that?

 

[Foxfyre]

He could have done this a year ago but instead he listened to Boris Johnson. By now Ukraine could have been well into reconstruction, well into economic recovery and well into taking care of its people once again. If an election was held today he would be resoundingly voted out and he knows it. Ending the war also means ending his dictatorial control over the country. The Lost territory is not coming back... At least not anytime soon.

It's time to stop perpetuating the myth that the United States is the global policeman. The rise of China on the horizon is the new reality. The next step in international relations will be determining what our place will be in the new arrangement. A country with less than 5% of the world's population can no longer control the entire world... It is simply an unreasonable and unsustainable position.

But for the simple agreement not to join NATO not a single Russian tank would ever have breached the Ukrainian border, Ukraine would still have all of its territory and it wouldn't be lying and ruins from border to border the way it is today.

Too bad Zalensky couldn't see the ill intent of NATO's greed and complete disregard for the lives of Ukrainian citizens.

I would expect that he will move out of country and live comfortably on the enormous fortune he has amassed as a result of this war. Perhaps he can find another sugar daddy in the EU. Russia has mentioned that they have absolutely no problem at all should he decide to join the EU.

It certainly looks at this point as though all of the objections to peace are coming from the Ukraine and not from Russia.

And he rejected Trump's very reasonable deal to help him rebuild his country in return for some valuable resources needed by Americans.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Does anyone really think or even want a forever war? Seriously? Do you, anyone, imagine a total Russian surrender, to Ukraine? It is not going to happen. Is this the stage where any peace agreement means the US sold out to Russia Because if that's the way it is stop pussying around with Ukraine. Declare war on Russia and get it over with. Honestly, this little monkey man is making a joke out of the US and the EU.

This war will end.

 

[DBA]

Trump is betraying Ukrainecto Russia, and not asking for anything in return.

He is using Musk to slash and burn the government with no real plan for the future.

He has installed lickspittle flunkies in key positions to exact his own personal revenge.

He is sidelining Congress, and trying to force a case into the Supreme Court on the expectation that they will make him a king.

You are completely deluded.

 

[JoeB131]

Trump asked Zelensky for shared mineral rights to help pay for the money we have given them. They said no. Trump said cool, we will go to Putin to see what he wants to do. You guys are terrible at negotiations.

Are you fucking serious?

This is more like what a mob boss does.

"Nice mineral rights you have here, it would be a shame if something were to happen to them!"

Trump is selling out a Democracy to a dictator. Only the most devoted Bleach-Drinking Cultist would think that's a good thing.

 

[frigidweirdo]

There are no any significant deposits of rare earth in Ukraine.


Yep. Do you remember how Americans fought first for independence of Phillipines from Spain, and for their dependence from the USA.


And really strong Ukraine (stronger than modern Russia and the modern USA) definitely will be more dangerous for Europe (or even the USA) than a weak one. You don't like strong Russia - watch what you can get with two equally strong Russias. Say nothing about US capability to make Ukraine really strong.


Why not? That's what America usually do.



Actually Germany was rised because quite opposite situations. The effective sistem of equal safety in Europe wasn't really built (and even when it was more or less effective - the Brits did everything to destroy it).

Yeah, there are.

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2024/07/the-future-of-critical-raw-materials-how-ukraine-plays-a-strategic-role-in-global-supply-chains/#:~:text=Ukraine%20is%20a%20key%20potential%20supplier%20of%20rare,reserves%20in%20Europe%20%287%25%20of%20the%20world%E2%80%99s%20reserves%29.

"Ukraine is a key potential supplier of rare earth metals, including titanium, lithium, beryllium, manganese, gallium, uranium, zirconium, graphite, apatite, fluorite, and nickel. Despite the war, Ukraine holds the largest titanium reserves in Europe (7% of the world’s reserves). It is one of the few countries that mine titanium ores, crucial for the aerospace, medical, automotive and marine industries."

 

[daveman]

I was a five year old once too Dave!

The difference between us is I grew up.

 

[Zavulon]

Yeah, there are.

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2024/07/the-future-of-critical-raw-materials-how-ukraine-plays-a-strategic-role-in-global-supply-chains/#:~:text=Ukraine%20is%20a%20key%20potential%20supplier%20of%20rare,reserves%20in%20Europe%20%287%25%20of%20the%20world%E2%80%99s%20reserves%29.

"Ukraine is a key potential supplier of rare earth metals, including titanium, lithium, beryllium, manganese, gallium, uranium, zirconium, graphite, apatite, fluorite, and nickel. Despite the war, Ukraine holds the largest titanium reserves in Europe (7% of the world’s reserves). It is one of the few countries that mine titanium ores, crucial for the aerospace, medical, automotive and marine industries."

Titanium is not really rare material. It's deposits can be found almost everywhere. Extraction and purification are energy (and technology) demanding. That's why Russia is one of the main titanium exporters. And that's why you need significant cooperation with Russia to make in Ukraine titanium production. And Russia won't sell enough of energy to even moderately hostile state, and Europeans won't be able to produce titanium in Ukraine simultaneously fighting even a moderate anti-guerilla war against local Russians.
Ukraine as a peaceful and prosperous part of Russia, yes, will be able to sell America significant additional amounts of titanium (say nothing about other goods) for very reasonable price. Ukraine as an anti-Russian outpost won't be able to produce anything.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Titanium is not really rare material. It's deposits can be found almost everywhere. Extraction and purification are energy (and technology) demanding. That's why Russia is one of the main titanium exporters. And that's why you need significant cooperation with Russia to make in Ukraine titanium production. And Russia won't sell enough of energy to even moderately hostile state, and Europeans won't be able to produce titanium in Ukraine simultaneously fighting even a moderate anti-guerilla war against local Russians.
Ukraine as a peaceful and prosperous part of Russia, yes, will be able to sell America significant additional amounts of titanium (say nothing about other goods) for very reasonable price. Ukraine as an anti-Russian outpost won't be able to produce anything.

And it talks about more than just titanium.

Either way, Putin wants to fuck the Ukraine over, Trump wants to fuck the Ukraine over.

 

[Uriel80]

Trump is trying to get a peace deal but Zelensky keeps beating the drums of war.

Zelensky doesn't want Trump and Putin to make a "peace deal" because he wants to control the terms and remain the central figure in Ukraine's future.

 

[Lesh]

Trump is trying to get a peace deal but Zelensky keeps beating the drums of war.

Trump keeps trying to give Putin a win

 

[Lesh]

Trump is selling Ukraine out.

If you think that peace is going to be the outcome, you’re a bigger fool than the clown you’re making up excuses for.

Ukraine is not going to give up.

And the Russians are going to violate any agreement Trump makes.

And when (another if) they do, Trump will kiss Putin’s ass again,

Neville Trump

Peace In Our Time

 

[JWBooth]

Zalensky unhappy about peace.​

The end of the grift is in sight and those pics of Diem must have made it to his desk.

 

[DBA]

Are you fucking serious?

This is more like what a mob boss does.

"Nice mineral rights you have here, it would be a shame if something were to happen to them!"

Trump is selling out a Democracy to a dictator. Only the most devoted Bleach-Drinking Cultist would think that's a good thing.

You are all sheltered children who don’t have a clue how the real world works. Biden and his administration were push-overs. Many European leaders are exactly the same. At some point they have to grow up or they will be taken advantage of by those not so spoiled and sheltered, which is exactly what happened during the last administration. Biden’s solution to the Ukrainian conflict was to pay(pocketing some along the way) billions, lose lives, cede ground and then ultimately for Ukraine to lose all their land to Russia. That is quite a brilliant strategy I tell ya.

Trump merely ask for re-payment of money we have spent/borrowed protecting them. That is hardly the action of a mob boss, but rather, the way it works in the real, adult world. By the way, there are rumors that Ukraine wants to revisit that deal, likely to suggest something along the lines of either what percentage they will give us or for how long(until they have paid us back).

 

[georgephillip]

He could have done this a year ago but instead he listened to Boris Johnson. By now Ukraine could have been well into reconstruction, well into economic recovery and well into taking care of its people once again. If an election was held today he would be resoundingly voted out and he knows it. Ending the war also means ending his dictatorial control over the country. The Lost territory is not coming back... At least not anytime soon.

It's time to stop perpetuating the myth that the United States is the global policeman. The rise of China on the horizon is the new reality. The next step in international relations will be determining what our place will be in the new arrangement. A country with less than 5% of the world's population can no longer control the entire world... It is simply an unreasonable and unsustainable position.

But for the simple agreement not to join NATO not a single Russian tank would ever have breached the Ukrainian border, Ukraine would still have all of its territory and it wouldn't be lying and ruins from border to border the way it is today.

Too bad Zalensky couldn't see the ill intent of NATO's greed and complete disregard for the lives of Ukrainian citizens.

I would expect that he will move out of country and live comfortably on the enormous fortune he has amassed as a result of this war. Perhaps he can find another sugar daddy in the EU. Russia has mentioned that they have absolutely no problem at all should he decide to join the EU.

It certainly looks at this point as though all of the objections to peace are coming from the Ukraine and not from Russia.

US capitalists stand to make a killing from the current crisis in Ukraine regardless of how the war ends:

U.S. corporate land grab in Ukraine underlies war with Russia | MR Online

"A detailed analysis of the land grab in Ukraine by Western corporations was provided in a 2023 report by the Oakland Institute1 entitled 'War and Theft: The Takeover of Ukraine’s Agricultural Land...'"

"In 2021, Zelensky initiated a land reform program as part of the structural adjustment program begun under the auspices of Western financial institutions that enabled U.S.-based corporations to take over Ukraine’s land.2

"The structural adjustment program had been opposed by Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, who was overthrown in the 2014 U.S.-backed Maidan coup."

 

[justoffal]

US capitalists stand to make a killing from the current crisis in Ukraine regardless of how the war ends:

U.S. corporate land grab in Ukraine underlies war with Russia | MR Online

"A detailed analysis of the land grab in Ukraine by Western corporations was provided in a 2023 report by the Oakland Institute1 entitled 'War and Theft: The Takeover of Ukraine’s Agricultural Land...'"

"In 2021, Zelensky initiated a land reform program as part of the structural adjustment program begun under the auspices of Western financial institutions that enabled U.S.-based corporations to take over Ukraine’s land.2

"The structural adjustment program had been opposed by Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, who was overthrown in the 2014 U.S.-backed Maidan coup."

It's always been about the assets for the West

 

[pknopp]

Since it seems there will be no peace, I'm guessing Zelensky is happy again.

 

[justoffal]

Since it seems there will be no peace, I'm guessing Zelensky is happy again.

We don't care.... He either signs over the minerals because he owes us big time or we are out of there and what happens happens.
So far the EU has come up with a measly $20 billion about 1/10 of what he asked for. Since we're closing in on a trillion invested we either get the minerals or we pack our toothbrushes and go. Let somebody else pay for his scam, his next villa purchase.. and the ski vacations in California for his generals and their families. This asshole isn't fighting a war he's running a ponzii scheme that looks like a war.

 

[sparky]

Shouldn't Zekensky have been a major player and included.

Mr Z is in the minor leagues at best C4All.......~S~

 

[justoffal]

Shouldn't Zekensky have been a major player and included....how is trump trying for a peace agreement with only Putin and what Putin, the WAR CRIMMINAL wants? Screw your head back on, pretty please!

Trump is not there to represent Ukraine He's there to represent the United States and whether or not we will continue to be involved.. since we already know what's Zalensky wants, which is another $250 billion dollars, there's no need to talk to him about it because he's not going to get it.