Zalensky unhappy about peace.

[JoeB131]

Oh, you're not angry that I'm drinking bleach. You're angry that I'm not drinking your cult's Kool-Aid.

No, guy, I'm worried that you guys are so dedicated to Trump's cult you are cheering for Putin to "Win".

It makes no logical sense, but I'm from the time we considered Russia to be the enemy it is.

 

[daveman]

No, guy, I'm worried that you guys are so dedicated to Trump's cult you are cheering for Putin to "Win".

I'd prefer Putin didn't win. But it's not our fight.

It makes no logical sense, but I'm from the time we considered Russia to be the enemy it is.

You're also from the time Democrats opposed war. Now you can't get enough.

 

[JoeB131]

I'd prefer Putin didn't win. But it's not our fight.

You're also from the time Democrats opposed war. Now you can't get enough.

Which war was that?

It should be our fight if we have any principles at all.

Ukraine gave up nukes on our promise to protect their borders.

 

[yidnar]

Which war was that?

It should be our fight if we have any principles at all.

Ukraine gave up nukes on our promise to protect their borders.

so you are ready to put US troops on the ground to fight ?

 

[JoeB131]

so you are ready to put US troops on the ground to fight ?

We don't need to. Just give the Ukrainians the weapons they want and keep the economic pressure on Putin.

PUTIN IS NOT WINNING. They are breaking out old tanks from Museums.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/08/europe/russia-t-55-tanks-ukraine-intl-cmd/index.html

He's relying on NOrth Korean Mercenaries.

North Korea appears to have sent more troops to Russia to back its war against Ukraine, Seoul says

South Korea’s spy agency says North Korea appears to have sent additional troops to Russia, after its soldiers deployed on the Russian-Ukraine fronts suffered heavy casualties.

apnews.com

Trump is literally saving Russia's ass.

Why?

 

[daveman]

Which war was that?

Vietnam, mostly. But then, the enemy was Communist, so their opposition to killing Commies carried far more weight than any lofty ideals about peace.

It should be our fight if we have any principles at all.

Then YOU go fight.

Oh, wait, you have a dental appointment soon.

Well, that'll be some consolation for the American men and women you want to send off to die.

Ukraine gave up nukes on our promise to protect their borders.

Well, that's simply not true.

"Partly as a way to gain international recognition, the Ukrainian government made commitments early on that Ukraine would be a non-nuclear weapon state. The Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine on 16 July 1990 committed Ukraine 'not to accept, produce, or acquire nuclear weapons...'"

Another key point was that U.S. State Department lawyers made a distinction between "security guarantee" and "security assurance", referring to the security guarantees that were desired by Ukraine in exchange for non-proliferation. "Security guarantee" would have implied the use of military force in assisting its non-nuclear parties attacked by an aggressor (such as Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty for NATO members) while "security assurance" would simply specify the non-violation of these parties' territorial integrity. In the end, a statement was read into the negotiation record that the (according to the U.S. lawyers) lesser sense of the English word "assurance" would be the sole implied translation for all appearances of both terms in all three language versions of the statement.

 

[daveman]

We don't need to. Just give the Ukrainians the weapons they want and keep the economic pressure on Putin.

PUTIN IS NOT WINNING. They are breaking out old tanks from Museums.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/08/europe/russia-t-55-tanks-ukraine-intl-cmd/index.html

He's relying on NOrth Korean Mercenaries.

North Korea appears to have sent more troops to Russia to back its war against Ukraine, Seoul says

South Korea’s spy agency says North Korea appears to have sent additional troops to Russia, after its soldiers deployed on the Russian-Ukraine fronts suffered heavy casualties.

apnews.com

Trump is literally saving Russia's ass.

Why?

Because American boots on the ground in Ukraine would likely set off World War III.

No sane person wants that.

But Democrats aren't sane.

 

[yidnar]

We don't need to. Just give the Ukrainians the weapons they want and keep the economic pressure on Putin.

PUTIN IS NOT WINNING. They are breaking out old tanks from Museums.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/08/europe/russia-t-55-tanks-ukraine-intl-cmd/index.html

He's relying on NOrth Korean Mercenaries.

North Korea appears to have sent more troops to Russia to back its war against Ukraine, Seoul says

South Korea’s spy agency says North Korea appears to have sent additional troops to Russia, after its soldiers deployed on the Russian-Ukraine fronts suffered heavy casualties.

apnews.com

Trump is literally saving Russia's ass.

Why?

the only reason Putin didn't take the entire country when he 1st invaded [when Briben said he wouldn't and had not sent military aid] was because of the weapons sent by Trump in his 1st term .. the Javelins decimated Russian armor .. that's a fact .. tell us .. do you believe Putin supports Trumps deal where the US gets 50% of the rare earth minerals that Putin covets ?

 

[yidnar]

Which war was that?

It should be our fight if we have any principles at all.

Ukraine gave up nukes on our promise to protect their borders.

who was the POTUS in 1994 when they gave up their nukes ?

 

[JoeB131]

Vietnam, mostly. But then, the enemy was Communist, so their opposition to killing Commies carried far more weight than any lofty ideals about peace.

Is there anyone who thinks Vietnam was a good idea today? I mean, we all still hate Jane Fonda for stating the obvious.

Then YOU go fight.

Oh, wait, you have a dental appointment soon.

Well, that'll be some consolation for the American men and women you want to send off to die.

Nobody's asking Americans to fight. All we have to do is not sell out Ukraine and keep sending them weapons and keep the economic pressure on Putin. Eventually, his own people will remove him, and everyone will be better off for it.

Well,

Well, no, we specifically said that all three parties (The US, UK and Russian Federation) would protect the boundaries of Ukraine if it became a non-nuclear state.

We need to keep our promises.

Because American boots on the ground in Ukraine would likely set off World War III.

No sane person wants that.

But Democrats aren't sane.

Except no one is calling for American boots on the ground.

But by that logic, we have to keep appeasing Russia to keep the Pee Tape under wraps... er... "not set off world war 3", where does it stop? When he invades the Baltic States, which also used to be part of the USSR? When he invades other former Warsaw Pact Nations that are now in NATO? When he demands we return Alaska. (I guess Sarah Palin WILL be able to see Russia from her house, then!)

 

[JoeB131]

who was the POTUS in 1994 when they gave up their nukes ?

Why does that matter?

the only reason Putin didn't take the entire country when he 1st invaded [when Briben said he wouldn't and had not sent military aid] was because of the weapons sent by Trump in his 1st term .. the Javelins decimated Russian armor .. that's a fact .. tell us .. do you believe Putin supports Trumps deal where the US gets 50% of the rare earth minerals that Putin covets ?

As long as Putin gets the land that he's taken, I don't think he cares.

As long as the Pee Tape isn't released, Trump is going to sell out Ukraine regardless.

 

[daveman]

Is there anyone who thinks Vietnam was a good idea today? I mean, we all still hate Jane Fonda for stating the obvious.

We could have won in Vietnam if we'd let the generals fight the war instead of the politicians.

Turns out politicians don't know shit about strategy and tactics.

Nobody's asking Americans to fight. All we have to do is not sell out Ukraine and keep sending them weapons and keep the economic pressure on Putin. Eventually, his own people will remove him, and everyone will be better off for it.

Uh huh. YOU pay for it. Get your damn hands out of my wallet.

Well, no, we specifically said that all three parties (The US, UK and Russian Federation) would protect the boundaries of Ukraine if it became a non-nuclear state.

We need to keep our promises.

How did the Russian Federation keep up their end of the deal?

Except no one is calling for American boots on the ground.

For the moment.

But by that logic, we have to keep appeasing Russia to keep the Pee Tape under wraps... er... "not set off world war 3", where does it stop? When he invades the Baltic States, which also used to be part of the USSR? When he invades other former Warsaw Pact Nations that are now in NATO? When he demands we return Alaska. (I guess Sarah Palin WILL be able to see Russia from her house, then!)

You STILL believe in the pee tape?

Good Gaea, you're retarded.

And Democrats do love their endless wars.

 

[Donald H]

I think the Russians might have a more legitimate claim to Crimea because it was only assigned to the Ukrainian SSR by Krushev in the 1950s. Before that, it was considered part of Russia and 90% of its population is Russian.



This isn't about America. Why are you blaming America for a war YOU Started, Ivan?



Actually, that might be the easiest concession for Russia to make, as these provinces are predominately Ukrainian and ruling over them will be a cost in resources and manpower Russia can ill afford.





Again, we are talking about compromises. If left up to me, I'd tighten up the sanctions on Russia until their economy collapsed.

But if you are talking to a path to peace, this would be one that all sides should be able to accept. Russia gets some potential territorial gains, Ukraine gets security guarantees.



Russia's conventional military is a fucking joke. Hey, how about the Admiral Kustonov? Oh, wait, it's still in drydock and all her sailors have been sent to the front as infantry? And it wouldn't stand a chance against even ONE Nimitz class carrier, much less the 10 we have.

No Russian surface ship would stand a chance against one Nimitz class AAC. But if the Russian ship was armed with a hundred hypersonic missiles, I wonder if an AAC would survive the battle either?

I'm thinking that it could be true that marine warfare is now an obsolete concept?

The Admiral Kustonov could be a demonstration of that, even without hypersonic weapons?

Our future of warfare for invading forces appears to be from the air now. That's the reason why I mentioned Iran as a military superpower. There's no way the Zionist regime can defend against complete destruction if it steps our of line on Iran. Apparently that's bringing joy to us both!

 

[daveman]

No Russian surface ship would stand a chance against one Nimitz class AAC. But if the Russian ship was armed with a hundred hypersonic missiles, I wonder if an AAC would survive the battle either?

I'm thinking that it could be true that marine warfare is now an obsolete concept?

The Admiral Kustonov could be a demonstration of that, even without hypersonic weapons?

Our future of warfare for invading forces appears to be from the air now. That's the reason why I mentioned Iran as a military superpower. There's no way the Zionist regime can defend against complete destruction if it steps our of line on Iran. Apparently that's bringing joy to us both!

The way I see it, you have two choices:

1. Enlist in the Ukrainian military, or
2. Enlist in Hamas.

Put up or shut up, kid. Stop insisting other people die to satisfy your bloodlust.

 

[JoeB131]

We could have won in Vietnam if we'd let the generals fight the war instead of the politicians.

Turns out politicians don't know shit about strategy and tactics.

No, guy, we were never going to win in Vietnam. That was the point of the Pentagon Papers.

At the end of the day, Ho Chi Mihn was a beloved national hero, and the guys we were propping up with craven Quislings.

Uh huh. YOU pay for it. Get your damn hands out of my wallet.

Sure, as soon as the Zionists and oil companies get their hands out of my wallet.

 

[JoeB131]

No Russian surface ship would stand a chance against one Nimitz class AAC. But if the Russian ship was armed with a hundred hypersonic missiles, I wonder if an AAC would survive the battle either?

Hypersonic missiles aren't the silver bullet you think they are.

The Admiral Kustonov could be a demonstration of that, even without hypersonic weapons?

You mean if you Rooskies could get it out of port without it catching on fire.

Our future of warfare for invading forces appears to be from the air now. That's the reason why I mentioned Iran as a military superpower. There's no way the Zionist regime can defend against complete destruction if it steps our of line on Iran. Apparently that's bringing joy to us both!

I think it's quite the opposite. Wars are won with boots on the ground. Everyone is enamored with missiles and planes because they are flashy, but infantry is still the queen of battle.

 

[braalian]

Peace means the end of his dictatorship and the end of the gravy train.

Peace would mean Russia getting the fuck out of the country they invaded

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No Russian surface ship would stand a chance against one Nimitz class AAC. But if the Russian ship was armed with a hundred hypersonic missiles, I wonder if an AAC would survive the battle either?

I'm thinking that it could be true that marine warfare is now an obsolete concept?

The Admiral Kustonov could be a demonstration of that, even without hypersonic weapons?

Our future of warfare for invading forces appears to be from the air now. That's the reason why I mentioned Iran as a military superpower. There's no way the Zionist regime can defend against complete destruction if it steps our of line on Iran. Apparently that's bringing joy to us both!

WTF is an AAC?

 

[JoeB131]

WTF is an AAC?

I'm sure his translation software is faulty.

 

[justoffal]

Peace would mean Russia getting the fuck out of the country they invaded

Maybe ... Don't know....
They didn't have peace before the invasion so I'm not sure that would work either ... but I digress.

My thing? Not our problem...none of our business... Don't want to pay for it.


Jo