Zalensky unhappy about peace.

[JoeB131]

it's a fact check that needs fact checking Joe....they are genetically and historically and politically intertwined.....~S~

Again, that's pretty stupid.

The Ukrainians hate the Russians, for a lot of good reasons. Putin has given them a bunch of new ones.

 

[sparky]

Are you fucking stupid? Ukrainians are not Russians. They have a different language, a different history, and different traditions.

So did the Cherokee and the Navajo Joe.....~S~

 

[sartre play]

Trump is selling Ukraine out.

If you think that peace is going to be the outcome, you’re a bigger fool than the clown you’re making up excuses for.

Ukraine is not going to give up.

And the Russians are going to violate any agreement Trump makes.

And when (another if) they do, Trump will kiss Putin’s ass again,

Agree with your line.
The Russian Dictator WILL VIOLATE at some point, any agreement Trump makes.

 

[sartre play]

Yep, Putin has been undermining the Ukraine for 25 years.

Belarus does what it's told, so it doesn't get invaded. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania got into the EU and NATO before Putin could do anything about it. The Ukraine was poor and has remained poor because of Russian interference.

And we made them give up there nukes.

 

[JoeB131]

So did the Cherokee and the Navajo Joe.....~S~

Oh, shut up.

Do you do special exercises to be this stupid?

 

[daveman]

Bullshit.

Most of the budget really isn't touchable.

We spend 7 trillion a year.

5.6 Trillion of that is Social Security, Defense, Medicare, Medicaid, Veteran's Benefits, and interest on the debt. Things that we really can't cut and frankly, there just isn't that much waste in.

The remaining 1.4 Trillion are things like roads, education, etc.

You have no clue what government spends our money on. They tell you it's good and righteous and holy, and you genuflect and repeat your cult's programming.

 

[JoeB131]

You have no clue what government spends our money on. They tell you it's good and righteous and holy, and you genuflect and repeat your cult's programming.

Well, unlike you, I can read a budget.

WHen you give up a program that benefits you for the "Greater good", then I will take you seriously.

 

[daveman]

Well, unlike you, I can read a budget.

WHen you give up a program that benefits you for the "Greater good", then I will take you seriously.

Yet you oppose DOGE finding and exposing government waste.

When you're not a retard, then I will take you seriously.

 

[JoeB131]

Yet you oppose DOGE finding and exposing government waste.

When you're not a retard, then I will take you seriously.

I've got no problem with making government more efficient.

That really isn't what Gauleiter Musk is doing. He's firing people at random and then having to scramble to hire them back when he finds no one knows how to dismantle that nuke.

Here's the problem. Payroll is only about 6% of Federal Spending. Which means Musk can fire EVERY LAST GOVERNMENT Employee and only reduce the Federal Budget by 6%.

Of course, slashing payroll is what the private sector does, but government, it really doesn't work the same way.

 

[daveman]

I've got no problem with making government more efficient.

Doubt it.

That really isn't what Gauleiter Musk is doing.

Looks like today isn't the day you stop being retarded.

He's firing people at random and then having to scramble to hire them back when he finds no one knows how to dismantle that nuke.

Here's the problem. Payroll is only about 6% of Federal Spending. Which means Musk can fire EVERY LAST GOVERNMENT Employee and only reduce the Federal Budget by 6%.

Of course, slashing payroll is what the private sector does, but government, it really doesn't work the same way.

A Federal job has never been a job for life. Continuing to pay unproductive people is insanity; no wonder Democrats support it.

 

[JoeB131]

A Federal job has never been a job for life. Continuing to pay unproductive people is insanity; no wonder Democrats support it.

Why shouldn't it be a job for life, if you are good at it?

Heck, working at the same place for life used to be the norm in this country, in both the private and public sectors. You got a job out of HS, you worked their your whole life, and you got to retire at 65.

Today, we all need to change jobs every five years because companies we work for say, "Let's slash a bunch of people" and then have to rehire a bunch of new people after the illusion of "efficiency" has worn off.

 

[daveman]

Why shouldn't it be a job for life, if you are good at it?

Do you think people who work from home and use mouse wigglers to simulate computer activity because they don't do their job are good at their job?

I don't.

Heck, working at the same place for life used to be the norm in this country, in both the private and public sectors. You got a job out of HS, you worked their your whole life, and you got to retire at 65.

Today, we all need to change jobs every five years because companies we work for say, "Let's slash a bunch of people" and then have to rehire a bunch of new people after the illusion of "efficiency" has worn off.

Well, after the Revolution and you're installed on the Politburo, you can make any changes you want.

 

[JoeB131]

Do you think people who work from home and use mouse wigglers to simulate computer activity because they don't do their job are good at their job?

I don't.

Do you have any evidence that is happening? I would assume these people have supervisors who check their work.

Well, after the Revolution and you're installed on the Politburo, you can make any changes you want.

Why do you think those other revolutions happened in the first place?

France, Russia, China, Cuba, Iran... they both had one very clear thing... A wealthy class with too much and a working class that just got fed up.

 

[daveman]

Do you have any evidence that is happening?

Mouse wigglers on Amazon
First item: 4,600 reviews, 6K bought in past month
Second item: 3,700 reviews, 4K bought in past month
Third item: 7,300 reviews, 6K bought in past month

Nine pages of mouse wigglers.

I would assume these people have supervisors who check their work.

You know what they say when you assume:

You're an ass.

You really need to get over your blind worship of bureaucrats.

Why do you think those other revolutions happened in the first place?

France, Russia, China, Cuba, Iran... they both had one very clear thing... A wealthy class with too much and a working class that just got fed up.

That was when revolutionaries were worth a shit. They're useless any more.

Start a revolution? They can't start a fucking lawn mower.

 

[JoeB131]

Mouse wigglers on Amazon
First item: 4,600 reviews, 6K bought in past month
Second item: 3,700 reviews, 4K bought in past month
Third item: 7,300 reviews, 6K bought in past month

Nine pages of mouse wigglers.

Um, okay. That sounds like bad management, honestly. If you are relying on software that measures mouse activity rather than evaluating the work of your employees, you probably shouldn't be a manager.

Did some of this go on during Covid and the Great Resignation? Probably.

You really need to get over your blind worship of bureaucrats.

Says the guy who sucked off the gummit teet for 20+ years?

"I hates government, except the parts that benefit me!"

That was when revolutionaries were worth a shit. They're useless any more.

Start a revolution? They can't start a fucking lawn mower.

Seems to me they came damned close in 2020.

 

[daveman]

Um, okay. That sounds like bad management, honestly. If you are relying on software that measures mouse activity rather than evaluating the work of your employees, you probably shouldn't be a manager.

What makes you think the work-from-home managers aren't doing the same slack-bastard shit?

Did some of this go on during Covid and the Great Resignation? Probably.

Does that make it okay? No, not in the least.

Says the guy who sucked off the gummit teet for 20+ years?

My ribbon rack shows I gave good value. Cry about it some more, slacker.

"I hates government, except the parts that benefit me!"

Does a government worker using a mouse wiggler benefit anyone?

Hint: No.

Seems to me they came damned close in 2020.

Tough to have a revolution without weapons.

But we were talking about your fellow Commies. The most useless people on the planet.

 

[JoeB131]

What makes you think the work-from-home managers aren't doing the same slack-bastard shit?

What makes you think they were?

Does that make it okay? No, not in the least.

I think you are exaggerating. All a Mouse Jiggler does is keep your computer from timing out.

Does a government worker using a mouse wiggler benefit anyone?

See above.

Tough to have a revolution without weapons.

But we were talking about your fellow Commies. The most useless people on the planet.

Not sure what your point is here. When Trump fucks up and tries to prevent the people from throwing him out, you'll be amazed how messy things will get.

 

[daveman]

What makes you think they were?

You really need to get over this insane worship of bureaucrats.

I think you are exaggerating. All a Mouse Jiggler does is keep your computer from timing out.

...while the employee is off doing something else.

See above.



Not sure what your point is here. When Trump fucks up and tries to prevent the people from throwing him out, you'll be amazed how messy things will get.

You know, not a single one of your prophesies of doom came about during Trump's first term.

Your source:

 

[Donald H]

Trump has been honest and stated several times that America started the war and is to blame.

And that's the reason why Trump is still just pretending to end it. He knows as well as his military and Pentagon that America can't quit and allow Russia to succeed.

As does Russia know that the war outcome will determine their future existence as a superpower.

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That should make it easier to understand the reason why Trump and Vance held a public humiliation show on Zelensky.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

He could have done this a year ago but instead he listened to Boris Johnson. By now Ukraine could have been well into reconstruction, well into economic recovery and well into taking care of its people once again. If an election was held today he would be resoundingly voted out and he knows it. Ending the war also means ending his dictatorial control over the country. The Lost territory is not coming back... At least not anytime soon.

It's time to stop perpetuating the myth that the United States is the global policeman.

It's the US that created and perpetuates the myth. It has done so for years to help create propaganda that serves to justify US crimes all over the world, implying the US is a benevolent well meaning power constantly beset on all sides by nasty evil enemies.

Fools have swallowed that narrative for years, those of us with an education know better.

The rise of China on the horizon is the new reality. The next step in international relations will be determining what our place will be in the new arrangement. A country with less than 5% of the world's population can no longer control the entire world... It is simply an unreasonable and unsustainable position.

But for the simple agreement not to join NATO not a single Russian tank would ever have breached the Ukrainian border, Ukraine would still have all of its territory and it wouldn't be lying and ruins from border to border the way it is today.

Too bad Zalensky couldn't see the ill intent of NATO's greed and complete disregard for the lives of Ukrainian citizens.

I would expect that he will move out of country and live comfortably on the enormous fortune he has amassed as a result of this war. Perhaps he can find another sugar daddy in the EU. Russia has mentioned that they have absolutely no problem at all should he decide to join the EU.

It certainly looks at this point as though all of the objections to peace are coming from the Ukraine and not from Russia.