Your guide to manmade climate disasters in the world today

[Mushroom]

Even if you cover the globe with wind turbines and solar panels, they will continue to happen.

They happened in the Little Ice Age. They happened long before the Industrial Revolution. They have occurred for as long as the planet has had an atmosphere and liquid oceans (other than maybe during the Cryogenian).

Hell, where were even some fun ones in 1816, the "Year Without a Summer" that was the coldest year in over 10,000 years. An exceptionally early one struck Florida in June. And five others striking various areas of the Caribbean and North America in that year of record colds that is believed to have killed over 200,000 people.

 

[marvin martian]

Wgat is your point ? jamaica has just suffered a cat 5 storm. It is worse than usual because the ocean is warmer which fuels the intensity.
Its not complicated.

It's actually far more complicated than your low-IQ and high gullibility can account for.

Jamaica also had numerous Cat 5 hurricanes in the 19th and 20th centuries.

 

[otto105]

What science can you provide that shows if we power ourselves entirely with wind and solar, global climate change will end?

If all energy was generated by solar and wind,
global carbon dioxide (CO2) levels would drop dramatically, leading to a much safer climate. Since most CO2 emissions come from burning fossil fuels for energy, switching to renewables would eliminate the largest single source of atmospheric CO2.
However, the complete transition would not result in an immediate drop to zero emissions, nor would it reverse climate change overnight.

Immediate and long-term effects

Significant reduction of CO2 emissions

• Decarbonized power sector: A full transition to solar and wind would completely decarbonize the power and electricity sector, which is the largest source of global CO2 emissions.
• • Economy-wide reductions: When paired with widespread electrification in transportation, industry, and heating, a 100% renewable grid would lead to massive, economy-wide emission cuts. Studies project that this combination could achieve a significant majority of the emission reductions needed to reach net-zero goals.
  • Minimal lifecycle emissions: While solar and wind have small carbon footprints from manufacturing and installation, these are negligible compared to the lifetime emissions from fossil fuels. A solar panel, for example, typically "pays back" the energy and emissions used in its creation within two years.

Eventual climate stabilization

• Slowing and reversing warming: A 100% renewable energy system would stop the continuous rise of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, eventually causing global warming to slow down, stop, and then reverse.
• Time lag: The Earth's climate system has built-in delays. Even with zero emissions, temperatures would not drop immediately. The planet would continue to warm for some time, and the climate system would take decades to fully stabilize.

Now cue your climate toddler bullshit...

 

[otto105]

They happened in the Little Ice Age. They happened long before the Industrial Revolution. They have occurred for as long as the planet has had an atmosphere and liquid oceans (other than maybe during the Cryogenian).

Hell, where were even some fun ones in 1816, the "Year Without a Summer" that was the coldest year in over 10,000 years. An exceptionally early one struck Florida in June. And five others striking various areas of the Caribbean and North America in that year of record colds that is believed to have killed over 200,000 people.

What happened in the Little Ice Age?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If all energy was generated by solar and wind,
global carbon dioxide (CO2) levels would drop dramatically, leading to a much safer climate. Since most CO2 emissions come from burning fossil fuels for energy, switching to renewables would eliminate the largest single source of atmospheric CO2.
However, the complete transition would not result in an immediate drop to zero emissions, nor would it reverse climate change overnight.

Immediate and long-term effects

Significant reduction of CO2 emissions

• Decarbonized power sector: A full transition to solar and wind would completely decarbonize the power and electricity sector, which is the largest source of global CO2 emissions.
• • Economy-wide reductions: When paired with widespread electrification in transportation, industry, and heating, a 100% renewable grid would lead to massive, economy-wide emission cuts. Studies project that this combination could achieve a significant majority of the emission reductions needed to reach net-zero goals.
  • Minimal lifecycle emissions: While solar and wind have small carbon footprints from manufacturing and installation, these are negligible compared to the lifetime emissions from fossil fuels. A solar panel, for example, typically "pays back" the energy and emissions used in its creation within two years.

Eventual climate stabilization

• Slowing and reversing warming: A 100% renewable energy system would stop the continuous rise of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, eventually causing global warming to slow down, stop, and then reverse.
• Time lag: The Earth's climate system has built-in delays. Even with zero emissions, temperatures would not drop immediately. The planet would continue to warm for some time, and the climate system would take decades to fully stabilize.

Now cue your climate toddler bullshit...

If all energy was generated by solar and wind,
global carbon dioxide (CO2) levels would drop dramatically,

How dramatically?

leading to a much safer climate.

Safer how? According to whom? How quickly? How do they know?

 

[otto105]

Nonsensical fear based statement that has no basis in a science discussion.

Care to guess when the last hurricane was that hit California?

1858.

Care to guess when the last tropical storm hit California?

1939.

Cherry picking the almost random paths of such storms is junk science in the extreme.

What about Hurricane Hilary?

 

[Grumblenuts]

When was the last time a Cat 5 hit Jamaica?

Nonsensical fear based statement

You fear simple, straightforward questions? Still waiting for a cogent, honest response.

Care to guess when the last hurricane was that hit California?

I dunno. Has a category 5 cyclone hit California recently? Has it made the news? People there need help?

 

[Grumblenuts]

Note the thread title, people:

"manmade climate disasters in the world today"

Now stop deflecting..

Good.

Hammertime.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Note the thread title, people:

"manmade climate disasters in the world today"

Now stop deflecting..

Good.

Hammertime.

Yeah, scary stories are scary!

And in this case, fake.

 

[EMH]

eliminate the largest single source of atmospheric CO2.

increasing atmospheric CO2 does not warm atmosphere.

Sincerely,

highly correlated satellite and balloon data
surface air pressure


Your side has NO ACTUAL DATA showing "warming" in the atmosphere, NONE, just FUDGE.

 

[otto105]

increasing atmospheric CO2 does not warm atmosphere.

Sincerely,

highly correlated satellite and balloon data
surface air pressure


Your side has NO ACTUAL DATA showing "warming" in the atmosphere, NONE, just FUDGE.

Hilarious

We have scientific fact.

Show your science on CO2 and temperature climate toddler.

 

[EMH]

We have scientific fact.

FUDGE is not "fact" it is FRAUD, and you are TOO STUPID to understand the difference....

 

[otto105]

FUDGE is not "fact" it is FRAUD, and you are TOO STUPID to understand the difference....

Show your internet work climate toddler.

 

[EMH]

Show your internet work climate toddler.

NBC documented it, in their lingo of course, but the truth is

THE ACTUAL SATELLITE AND BALLOON DATA showed precisely NO WARMING in the ATMOSPHERE for more than 3 decades of rising CO2, and then was FUDGED with bullshit excuses in 2005...

Key claim against global warming evaporates

Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.

www.nbcnews.com

"satellite and weather balloon data have actually suggested the opposite, that the atmosphere was cooling.

Scientists were left with two choices: either the atmosphere wasn't warming up, or "


it was time for another bullshit taxpayer funded FUDGE JOB.


When a planet's atmosphere warms, its surface air pressure rises, because all forms of air pressure are correlated with temperature. Earth Surface Air Pressure over the past 70 years is slightly down.


Mars, with its highly elliptical orbit, demonstrates that truth....

 

[otto105]

NBC documented it, in their lingo of course, but the truth is

THE ACTUAL SATELLITE AND BALLOON DATA showed precisely NO WARMING in the ATMOSPHERE for more than 3 decades of rising CO2, and then was FUDGED with bullshit excuses in 2005...

Key claim against global warming evaporates

Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.

www.nbcnews.com

"satellite and weather balloon data have actually suggested the opposite, that the atmosphere was cooling.

Scientists were left with two choices: either the atmosphere wasn't warming up, or "


it was time for another bullshit taxpayer funded FUDGE JOB.


When a planet's atmosphere warms, its surface air pressure rises, because all forms of air pressure are correlated with temperature. Earth Surface Air Pressure over the past 70 years is slightly down.


Mars, with its highly elliptical orbit, demonstrates that truth....

Very climate toddler hilarious

A 2005 article that doesn’t support your argument of climate change denialism.

You are one pathetic loser.

What else do you have besides that ONE news article. Any actual science or scientific organizations that support your idiotic view?

 

[EMH]

A 2005 article that doesn’t support your argument of climate change denialism.

LOL!!!

I do not "deny" climate change, rather I explain it, and neither you nor any of the "climate scientists" can refute one word of it...

Thread 'Since Co2 does nothing, what does cause Earth climate change?'

Jun 11, 2023

The first part is understanding what is climate and what is weather. Climate is the parameters of Earth that allow certain ranges of weather. We don't get Cat 10 canes now, but we would if Earth had no ice.

What are the parameters of climate that can change?

Ocean levels
Atmospheric thickness
Temperature
Humidity


What controls those?

The amount of ice on the planet. Period. Ocean level is 100% inversely correlated to Earth ice content (on land, not sea ice, which is pathetically small) - duh. Trapped in ice age glacier is compressed gas. When it snows 10 feet, you can compress...

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Thread 'Apparently we really need a "debate" over the term ICE AGE because y'all are all wrong...'

Jun 23, 2023

What is an ICE AGE?

Most apparently still believe it is a terrifying horror movie event where Earth all at once freezes up. The data has never supported such a scenario. Since 2010, there has been a massive effort to re-write Earth climate history into a series of rapid "glaciations" and ice retreats, as if "Day After Tomorrow" movie is accurate... LOL!!! What was North American Ice Age before 2010 is now spun into a series of rapid "ice ages" where it took a mere 75k years for the "ice age" to start in Northern Canada and put 2.5 mile thick glaicers on Chicago. This is "Milankovich"...

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[Sunsettommy]

Wgat is your point ? jamaica has just suffered a cat 5 storm. It is worse than usual because the ocean is warmer which fuels the intensity.
Its not complicated.

The water temperature was only ONE of many factors in developing a Cat 5 storm, the water is always warm enough it was the absence of a wind shear that was a significant factor as this website I subscribed by a professional Hurricane analyst.

From Weather Trader

Excerpt:

Landfall of Hurricane Melissa | 892 mb | 160 knots (Category 5)​

Earlier this afternoon, Melissa made landfall just west of Black River, Jamaica at near maximum intensity. The aircraft recon mission in the hours prior encountered severe turbulence but managed to record a central pressure of 892 mb with winds at least commensurate with 160 knots near the surface.

However, it would not be surprising to see the post-season analysis increase Melissa to 175-knots consistent with the > T 8.0 satellite presentation for 24-hours prior to landfall. Melissa was firing on all cylinders — and near/above the Maximum Potential Intensity (MPI) theoretically at 172 knots according to SHIPS guidance.

(Skipped photos of the Hurricane)

A strong trough likely enhanced the upper-level diffluent outflow and helped Melissa deepen some — hard to know by how much. There was no dry air entrainment into the “buzzsaw” cylinder. Everything was perfectly aligned — low/zero shear, limitless ocean heat content due to the depth of the Caribbean “warm pool”, and inflow channels out of the Caribbean and Eastern Pacific across Central America.

LINK

red bolding mine

Next time read up on the DETAILS of the storm before you mouth off with your stupid ignorance.

 

[EMH]

the ocean is warmer

Complete BS.

Last time a Cat 5 got as far north as Martha's Vineyard = 1938

Google Search

 

[EMH]

The water temperature was only ONE of many factors in developing a Cat 5 storm, the water is always warm enough it was the absence of a wind shear that was a significant factor as this website I subscribed by a professional Hurricane analyst.

From Weather Trader

Excerpt:

Landfall of Hurricane Melissa | 892 mb | 160 knots (Category 5)​

Earlier this afternoon, Melissa made landfall just west of Black River, Jamaica at near maximum intensity. The aircraft recon mission in the hours prior encountered severe turbulence but managed to record a central pressure of 892 mb with winds at least commensurate with 160 knots near the surface.

However, it would not be surprising to see the post-season analysis increase Melissa to 175-knots consistent with the > T 8.0 satellite presentation for 24-hours prior to landfall. Melissa was firing on all cylinders — and near/above the Maximum Potential Intensity (MPI) theoretically at 172 knots according to SHIPS guidance.

(Skipped photos of the Hurricane)

A strong trough likely enhanced the upper-level diffluent outflow and helped Melissa deepen some — hard to know by how much. There was no dry air entrainment into the “buzzsaw” cylinder. Everything was perfectly aligned — low/zero shear, limitless ocean heat content due to the depth of the Caribbean “warm pool”, and inflow channels out of the Caribbean and Eastern Pacific across Central America.

LINK

Next time read up on the DETAILS of the storm before you mouth off with your stupid ignorance.

If that was true, every single tree and home where Melissa entered Jamaica wouldn't still be standing at all...

and that's not what we see, not even close.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Do I need to. The govt of Jamaica think so. Dozens of people are dead and you are playing gotcha. WTF is wrong with you.

Gowad you are that ignorant of the situation as it is preventable as they CHOSE to live in a high tropical storm region as the link, I posted earlier you ignored showed they see many storms over the years it was inevitable they get one going right up their alley as the odds was always possible.

Tacloban Leyte Philippines has been smashed by powerful hurricanes at least 3 times, the last one was in 2013 they chose to stay there and rebuild, it WILL get smashed again the future.