Your Government Owes You a Job

[georgephillip]

If the purpose of government is not to make its citizens happy what is the purpose of government?

To make a few of its citizens filthy rich by stealing from the rest?

 

[dblack]

If the purpose of government is not to make its citizens happy what is the purpose of government?

To protect their freedom to make themselves happy.

 

[dblack]

If the purpose of government is not to make its citizens happy what is the purpose of government?

To make a few of its citizens filthy rich by stealing from the rest?

Or to make the rest happy by stealing from a few?

 

[regent]

At one time the purpose of government was thought to be life, liberty and property, but Jefferson dropped the property bit and replaced it with the pursuit of happiness. Was Jefferson correct? John Adams another Declaration of Independence committee member agreed saying, "The happiness of people is the end of government."

 

[dblack]

At one time the purpose of government was thought to be life, liberty and property, but Jefferson dropped the property bit and replaced it with the pursuit of happiness. Was Jefferson correct? John Adams another Declaration of Independence committee member agreed saying, "The happiness of people is the end of government."

He was defining the inalienable rights that government should protect and gave the 'pursuit of happiness' as an example. Protecting our right to pursue happiness is NOT the same thing as trying to make us happy. Do you understand that? Because if you don't, this debate is kind of a dead end.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Sounds outlandish, doesn't it?

"A right to a job may sound outlandish, but it’s common sense. You need dollars to eat, and unless you steal the dollars, you generally have to earn them.

"If the government wants to protect property with cops, courts, and prisons, issue a single, common currency, and tax and fine us in it, it should at least guarantee we can work for our own dollars.

"Politicians ramble about equality of opportunity and the dignity of work, but to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, we need boots.

"And lest our boots stomp each other’s necks in senseless competition for too few jobs, we need a job guarantee.

"A job guarantee isn’t that radical.

"Thomas Paine proposed one in 1791.

"In 1944, FDR included the right to a living wage job in his Second Bill of Rights and his Republican opponent promised state-ensured employment.

"The Universal Declaration of Human Rights enshrined the right to work and philosophers Rawls and Dewey advocated government provide enough work.

"LBJ deliberated a JG and Martin Luther King Jr., demanded one."

Your Government Owes You a Job | The Nation

Since US Capitalism prefers extracting wealth as opposed to producing wealth leading to a situation where median household income today, adjusted for inflation, is lower than it was in 1989, it becomes clear that US capitalism no longer delivers the goods for a majority of its citizens.

The democratic solution calls for government to provide what the private sector is no longer capable of providing.

Here's the problem this idea ignores. That in order for someone have a job guaranteed by government, the government either has to subsidize the job so that a business can afford to pay the wages. Or all business must be owned and operated by government to fulfill this guarantee.
As we see in France where labor laws make it nearly impossible to discharge and employee, it creates high labor and benefit costs which are subsidized by government. Also with the limited number of available jobs, unemployment, especially among the young and the immigrant community is in excess of 20%.
In other words you are proposing that the government manipulate the labor marketplace..
I cannot think of a more dangerous thing to desire.
In every single instance where government interferes in the labor marketplace, the results have been a disaster.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

If the purpose of government is not to make its citizens happy what is the purpose of government?

To make a few of its citizens filthy rich by stealing from the rest?

So you are not intelligent enough to know the difference between business and theft??
Why the hatred for corporations and Hedge Funds??

Not got enough intelligence as these other people??
Can't come up with an idea to make money??
Can't find backers who can see money in you visions??
Not capable of running such an enterprise??
Not capable of procuring Buildings / infrastructure / equipment ??

Just where do your failures lie?? You see all these corporations and hedge funds that you would like to label as thieves are all success stories capable of being repeated by anyone who has some ingenuity and self worth!!

 

[thereisnospoon]

Sounds outlandish, doesn't it?

"A right to a job may sound outlandish, but it’s common sense. You need dollars to eat, and unless you steal the dollars, you generally have to earn them.

"If the government wants to protect property with cops, courts, and prisons, issue a single, common currency, and tax and fine us in it, it should at least guarantee we can work for our own dollars.

"Politicians ramble about equality of opportunity and the dignity of work, but to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, we need boots.

"And lest our boots stomp each other’s necks in senseless competition for too few jobs, we need a job guarantee.

"A job guarantee isn’t that radical.

"Thomas Paine proposed one in 1791.

"In 1944, FDR included the right to a living wage job in his Second Bill of Rights and his Republican opponent promised state-ensured employment.

"The Universal Declaration of Human Rights enshrined the right to work and philosophers Rawls and Dewey advocated government provide enough work.

"LBJ deliberated a JG and Martin Luther King Jr., demanded one."

Your Government Owes You a Job | The Nation

Since US Capitalism prefers extracting wealth as opposed to producing wealth leading to a situation where median household income today, adjusted for inflation, is lower than it was in 1989, it becomes clear that US capitalism no longer delivers the goods for a majority of its citizens.

The democratic solution calls for government to provide what the private sector is no longer capable of providing.

I want NOTHING form government other than what the US Constitution permits it to do.

 

[georgephillip]

If the purpose of government is not to make its citizens happy what is the purpose of government?

To make a few of its citizens filthy rich by stealing from the rest?

Or to make the rest happy by stealing from a few?

Can you think of a time when that's happened?

 

[dblack]

To make a few of its citizens filthy rich by stealing from the rest?

Or to make the rest happy by stealing from a few?

Can you think of a time when that's happened?

ACA is the latest example. But it goes on all the time.

 

[georgephillip]

Sounds outlandish, doesn't it?

"A right to a job may sound outlandish, but it’s common sense. You need dollars to eat, and unless you steal the dollars, you generally have to earn them.

"If the government wants to protect property with cops, courts, and prisons, issue a single, common currency, and tax and fine us in it, it should at least guarantee we can work for our own dollars.

"Politicians ramble about equality of opportunity and the dignity of work, but to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, we need boots.

"And lest our boots stomp each other’s necks in senseless competition for too few jobs, we need a job guarantee.

"A job guarantee isn’t that radical.

"Thomas Paine proposed one in 1791.

"In 1944, FDR included the right to a living wage job in his Second Bill of Rights and his Republican opponent promised state-ensured employment.

"The Universal Declaration of Human Rights enshrined the right to work and philosophers Rawls and Dewey advocated government provide enough work.

"LBJ deliberated a JG and Martin Luther King Jr., demanded one."

Your Government Owes You a Job | The Nation

Since US Capitalism prefers extracting wealth as opposed to producing wealth leading to a situation where median household income today, adjusted for inflation, is lower than it was in 1989, it becomes clear that US capitalism no longer delivers the goods for a majority of its citizens.

The democratic solution calls for government to provide what the private sector is no longer capable of providing.

Here's the problem this idea ignores. That in order for someone have a job guaranteed by government, the government either has to subsidize the job so that a business can afford to pay the wages. Or all business must be owned and operated by government to fulfill this guarantee.
As we see in France where labor laws make it nearly impossible to discharge and employee, it creates high labor and benefit costs which are subsidized by government. Also with the limited number of available jobs, unemployment, especially among the young and the immigrant community is in excess of 20%.
In other words you are proposing that the government manipulate the labor marketplace..
I cannot think of a more dangerous thing to desire.
In every single instance where government interferes in the labor marketplace, the results have been a disaster.

In fact, government has been interfering in the US labor market for the benefit of capital for generations:

"Would jobs for all skyrocket wages and prices, spurring inflation? Such unfounded belief holds the jobless hostage to hysteria.

"The JG is an inflation stabilizer, easily compatible with additional precautions. Because non-JG employees could quit for a JG job, their bargaining power would increase.

"By the same token, businesses could hire JG-trained employees, so employers’ negotiating power would increase as well. Thus, wages wouldn’t spiral.

"Furthermore, guaranteed employment for low-income individuals would discipline the prices of goods and services they typically buy."

Your Government Owes You a Job | The Nation

A JG program would level the playing field labor and capital compete on.
If private capital can't survive, it will vanish like communism
Good riddance

 

[georgephillip]

Or to make the rest happy by stealing from a few?

Can you think of a time when that's happened?

ACA is the latest example. But it goes on all the time.

Should we blame Obama or Wellpoint?

 

[dblack]

Can you think of a time when that's happened?

ACA is the latest example. But it goes on all the time.

Should we blame Obama or Wellpoint?

Obama signed the bill into law.

 

[georgephillip]

If the purpose of government is not to make its citizens happy what is the purpose of government?

To make a few of its citizens filthy rich by stealing from the rest?

So you are not intelligent enough to know the difference between business and theft??
Why the hatred for corporations and Hedge Funds??

Not got enough intelligence as these other people??
Can't come up with an idea to make money??
Can't find backers who can see money in you visions??
Not capable of running such an enterprise??
Not capable of procuring Buildings / infrastructure / equipment ??

Just where do your failures lie?? You see all these corporations and hedge funds that you would like to label as thieves are all success stories capable of being repeated by anyone who has some ingenuity and self worth!!

Surely, you've noticed those who extract or inherit wealth are useless ticks sucking the life out of the productive economy...r>g, remember?

 

[LogikAndReazon]

If your govt is cuba, venezuela, nicaragua, north korea, russia or china perhaps.....those progressive utopias will surely open their collective arms for another "revolucionary" marxist douchebag ...

 

[bripat9643]

To make a few of its citizens filthy rich by stealing from the rest?

Or to make the rest happy by stealing from a few?

Can you think of a time when that's happened?

Right now.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

To make a few of its citizens filthy rich by stealing from the rest?

So you are not intelligent enough to know the difference between business and theft??
Why the hatred for corporations and Hedge Funds??

Not got enough intelligence as these other people??
Can't come up with an idea to make money??
Can't find backers who can see money in you visions??
Not capable of running such an enterprise??
Not capable of procuring Buildings / infrastructure / equipment ??

Just where do your failures lie?? You see all these corporations and hedge funds that you would like to label as thieves are all success stories capable of being repeated by anyone who has some ingenuity and self worth!!

Surely, you've noticed those who extract or inherit wealth are useless ticks sucking the life out of the productive economy...r>g, remember?

So basically you are an ignorant piece of shit who is jealous of others success!!

Why yes you suck big fat dicks while getting fucked up the ass, why yes I understand you are an ignorant cancer on humanity ....

******* Pathetic asshole can't carry on a conversation so he wants to resort to some mud slinging ....

Well since you are the one with the purty round lips and gapping asshole by all means continue .....

 

[georgephillip]

Sounds outlandish, doesn't it?

"A right to a job may sound outlandish, but it’s common sense. You need dollars to eat, and unless you steal the dollars, you generally have to earn them.

"If the government wants to protect property with cops, courts, and prisons, issue a single, common currency, and tax and fine us in it, it should at least guarantee we can work for our own dollars.

"Politicians ramble about equality of opportunity and the dignity of work, but to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, we need boots.

"And lest our boots stomp each other’s necks in senseless competition for too few jobs, we need a job guarantee.

"A job guarantee isn’t that radical.

"Thomas Paine proposed one in 1791.

"In 1944, FDR included the right to a living wage job in his Second Bill of Rights and his Republican opponent promised state-ensured employment.

"The Universal Declaration of Human Rights enshrined the right to work and philosophers Rawls and Dewey advocated government provide enough work.

"LBJ deliberated a JG and Martin Luther King Jr., demanded one."

Your Government Owes You a Job | The Nation

Since US Capitalism prefers extracting wealth as opposed to producing wealth leading to a situation where median household income today, adjusted for inflation, is lower than it was in 1989, it becomes clear that US capitalism no longer delivers the goods for a majority of its citizens.

The democratic solution calls for government to provide what the private sector is no longer capable of providing.

I want NOTHING form government other than what the US Constitution permits it to do.

Corporations aren't mentioned in the Constitution but they are currently being used by the richest 1% of individuals to influence the behavior of government. Most of that influence is in direct contradiction to what's in your best interest, assuming you're not among the richest 0.1% of the population. You may not be interested in the details, but that won't exempt you from the consequences.

 

[georgephillip]

If your govt is cuba, venezuela, nicaragua, north korea, russia or china perhaps.....those progressive utopias will surely open their collective arms for another "revolucionary" marxist douchebag ...

"Involuntary unemployment is barbaric. In the wealthiest country in history, almost 30 million people wish they had full-time work. But, as always, there aren’t enough jobs. And because economic security requires decent work, it’s unsurprising that 50 million people are poverty-stricken and 16 million children are hungry.

"This is a disgrace and an economic error: the US government can easily afford a Job guarantee (JG) program, becoming our employer of last resort."

You don't have to give up your private property to be entitled to a job, Loser.

Your Government Owes You a Job | The Nation

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Sounds outlandish, doesn't it?

"A right to a job may sound outlandish, but it’s common sense. You need dollars to eat, and unless you steal the dollars, you generally have to earn them.

"If the government wants to protect property with cops, courts, and prisons, issue a single, common currency, and tax and fine us in it, it should at least guarantee we can work for our own dollars.

"Politicians ramble about equality of opportunity and the dignity of work, but to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, we need boots.

"And lest our boots stomp each other’s necks in senseless competition for too few jobs, we need a job guarantee.

"A job guarantee isn’t that radical.

"Thomas Paine proposed one in 1791.

"In 1944, FDR included the right to a living wage job in his Second Bill of Rights and his Republican opponent promised state-ensured employment.

"The Universal Declaration of Human Rights enshrined the right to work and philosophers Rawls and Dewey advocated government provide enough work.

"LBJ deliberated a JG and Martin Luther King Jr., demanded one."

Your Government Owes You a Job | The Nation

Since US Capitalism prefers extracting wealth as opposed to producing wealth leading to a situation where median household income today, adjusted for inflation, is lower than it was in 1989, it becomes clear that US capitalism no longer delivers the goods for a majority of its citizens.

The democratic solution calls for government to provide what the private sector is no longer capable of providing.

I want NOTHING form government other than what the US Constitution permits it to do.

Corporations aren't mentioned in the Constitution but they are currently being used by the richest 1% of individuals to influence the behavior of government. Most of that influence is in direct contradiction to what's in your best interest, assuming you're not among the richest 0.1% of the population. You may not be interested in the details, but that won't exempt you from the consequences.

Look you can not provide supporting data for the shit you are spouting, so don't even throw that bluff out ... In other words I am calling you out over your Bull Shit, prove it is not!!

Corporations provide millions of thankful workers jobs and pay millions in taxes, your incessant hate is just a symptom of your greed and inability to make anything out of your life!!