Your Government Owes You a Job

[kaz]

Sounds outlandish, doesn't it?

"A right to a job may sound outlandish, but it’s common sense. You need dollars to eat, and unless you steal the dollars, you generally have to earn them.

How does government stealing the dollars for you make the transaction more morally acceptable?

 

[georgephillip]

There are some who believe public resources belong to the public, you know?

Yep. Not sure what that has to do with government providing jobs.

You're unsure of the number of jobs government provided with the TVA?

 

[dblack]

There are some who believe public resources belong to the public, you know?

Yep. Not sure what that has to do with government providing jobs.

You're unsure of the number of jobs government provided with the TVA?

I'm unsure how the truism 'public resources belong to the public' has anything anything to do with the debate over whether the government should be responsible for providing us with 'jobs'.

 

[regent]

Some of these suggestions, such as government and jobs may sound as shocking as the abolitionists that advocated the end of slavery, or that all men were created equally. Equally except for Trump. Other ideas that have gone by the waysides: God appointed Kings to rule man; or we can predict our day by the position of the stars. It must be difficult for some to see our life-long concepts questioned, and worse, to change so rapidly?

 

[bripat9643]

Some of these suggestions, such as government and jobs may sound as shocking as the abolitionists that advocated the end of slavery, or that all men were created equally. Equally except for Trump. Other ideas that have gone by the waysides: God appointed Kings to rule man; or we can predict our day by the position of the stars. It must be difficult for some to see our life-long concepts questioned, and worse, to change so rapidly?

We've already seen the results of these schemes: mass starvation.

The only thing "shocking" about them is that anyone would be stupid enough to endorse them.

 

[georgephillip]

Yep. Not sure what that has to do with government providing jobs.

You're unsure of the number of jobs government provided with the TVA?

I'm unsure how the truism 'public resources belong to the public' has anything anything to do with the debate over whether the government should be responsible for providing us with 'jobs'.

Jobs are a resource which capitalism allocates imperfectly, at best.
I would think economic democracy would mandate government's help in providing employment.

 

[georgephillip]

Sounds outlandish, doesn't it?

"A right to a job may sound outlandish, but it’s common sense. You need dollars to eat, and unless you steal the dollars, you generally have to earn them.

How does government stealing the dollars for you make the transaction more morally acceptable?

Who do you imagine government is stealing dollars from, GE?
Unless you believe all taxation is theft, government funding for a Jobs Guarantee program could be kept at 1% to 2% of GDP with returns several times larger, including paying people to work instead of paying them to remain unemployed.

 

[bripat9643]

You're unsure of the number of jobs government provided with the TVA?

I'm unsure how the truism 'public resources belong to the public' has anything anything to do with the debate over whether the government should be responsible for providing us with 'jobs'.

Jobs are a resource which capitalism allocates imperfectly, at best.
I would think economic democracy would mandate government's help in providing employment.

Jobs are not a resource. They aren't allocated. You're probably correct that "economic democracy" would attempt to do that. That's why it's a scheme doomed to fail.

 

[bripat9643]

Sounds outlandish, doesn't it?

"A right to a job may sound outlandish, but it’s common sense. You need dollars to eat, and unless you steal the dollars, you generally have to earn them.

How does government stealing the dollars for you make the transaction more morally acceptable?

Who do you imagine government is stealing dollars from, GE?
Unless you believe all taxation is theft, government funding for a Jobs Guarantee program could be kept at 1% to 2% of GDP with returns several times larger, including paying people to work instead of paying them to remain unemployed.

Taxation is theft, especially when it's purely for the purpose of transferring money from 'A' to give to 'B.'

 

[georgephillip]

You can post all the crap studies you want, there is absolutely no way that this program will pay for itself. The simplest proof of that is that, despite the widespread belief that the government oes people a job, not a single country n this planet has a program designed for the government to hand you a job.

Every government on the planet has a civilian jobs program.
A JG program would simply build on that in partnership with the private sector.

Only two nations on the planet have 100% employment, Cambodia and Monaco. Both of those countries are small monarchies, and neither seems to have a jobs program despite your claim that every single government has one. Want to try again?

"The JG thus fulfils an absorption function to minimise the real costs associated with the flux of the private sector. When private sector employment declines, public sector employment will automatically react and increase its payrolls.

"So in a recession, the increase in public employment will increase net government spending, and stimulate aggregate demand and the economy.

"Conversely, in a boom, the decline of public sector employment and spending caused by workers leaving their JG jobs for higher paid private sector employment will lessen stimulation, so the JG functions as an automatic stabilizer controlling inflation.

"The nation always remains fully employed, with a changing mix between private and public sector employment.

"Since the JG wage is open to everyone, it will functionally become the national minimum wage.

"Under the JG, people of working age who are not in full-time education and have less than 35 hours per week of paid employment would be entitled to the balance of 35 hours paid employment, undertaking work of public benefit at the minimum wage.

"The aim is to replace unemployment and underemployment with paid employment (up to the hours desired by workers), so that those who are at any point in time surplus to the requirements of the private sector (and mainstream public sector) can earn a reasonable living rather than suffer the indignity and insecurity of underemployment, poverty, and social exclusion."

Job guarantee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gotta love magic money, without it Greece would be the biggest joke on the planet when it comes to guaranteed employment.

The Pentagon could run a 21st century CCC program, providing millions of unemployed young people with skills and work experiences that wouldn't require PTSD treatment afterwards.

The options are limited only by imagination in the richest country in history.

And the laws of economics are totally irrelevant.

Except when you have to pay the bills.

Laws of economics like the one that states inequality leads to weak demand?
Greece and the US were victimized by the greatest wave of control accounting fraud in world history, yet the US is still the richest country in history. If you can't see where the money to fund a Jobs Guarantee program could be found, you're blind and ignorant.

 

[bripat9643]

Every government on the planet has a civilian jobs program.
A JG program would simply build on that in partnership with the private sector.

Only two nations on the planet have 100% employment, Cambodia and Monaco. Both of those countries are small monarchies, and neither seems to have a jobs program despite your claim that every single government has one. Want to try again?



Gotta love magic money, without it Greece would be the biggest joke on the planet when it comes to guaranteed employment.

The Pentagon could run a 21st century CCC program, providing millions of unemployed young people with skills and work experiences that wouldn't require PTSD treatment afterwards.

The options are limited only by imagination in the richest country in history.

And the laws of economics are totally irrelevant.

Except when you have to pay the bills.

Laws of economics like the one that states inequality leads to weak demand?

There is no such law.

Greece and the US were victimized by the greatest wave of control accounting fraud in world history, yet the US is still the richest country in history. If you can't see where the money to fund a Jobs Guarantee program could be found, you're blind and ignorant.

Greece's problems are not the result of "control accounting fraud." They are the result of massive spending on social programs like the one you are proposing.

 

[dblack]

You're unsure of the number of jobs government provided with the TVA?

I'm unsure how the truism 'public resources belong to the public' has anything anything to do with the debate over whether the government should be responsible for providing us with 'jobs'.

Jobs are a resource which capitalism allocates imperfectly, at best.

Jobs are not a resource.

I would think economic democracy would mandate government's help in providing employment.

Economic democracy would. Economic freedom would not.

 

[georgephillip]

I'm unsure how the truism 'public resources belong to the public' has anything anything to do with the debate over whether the government should be responsible for providing us with 'jobs'.

Jobs are a resource which capitalism allocates imperfectly, at best.

Jobs are not a resource.

I would think economic democracy would mandate government's help in providing employment.

Economic democracy would. Economic freedom would not.

Land, labor, and capital are resources.
Why wouldn't jobs qualify?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You're unsure of the number of jobs government provided with the TVA?

I'm unsure how the truism 'public resources belong to the public' has anything anything to do with the debate over whether the government should be responsible for providing us with 'jobs'.

Jobs are a resource which capitalism allocates imperfectly, at best.
I would think economic democracy would mandate government's help in providing employment.

Because government is so good at everything else it does that it can't possibly make anything worse than it already is, right?

 

[georgephillip]

Only two nations on the planet have 100% employment, Cambodia and Monaco. Both of those countries are small monarchies, and neither seems to have a jobs program despite your claim that every single government has one. Want to try again?



Gotta love magic money, without it Greece would be the biggest joke on the planet when it comes to guaranteed employment.



And the laws of economics are totally irrelevant.

Except when you have to pay the bills.

Laws of economics like the one that states inequality leads to weak demand?

There is no such law.

Greece and the US were victimized by the greatest wave of control accounting fraud in world history, yet the US is still the richest country in history. If you can't see where the money to fund a Jobs Guarantee program could be found, you're blind and ignorant.

Greece's problems are not the result of "control accounting fraud." They are the result of massive spending on social programs like the one you are proposing.

Control accounting fraud and austerity programs explain why Greece is in worse economic shape today than some Scandinavian countries which spent far more on social programs.

When a GDP is 70% dependent upon middle class consumption, inequality leads to weak demand, and worse after the rich bribe politicians for favorable tax and trade policies for two generations.

 

[percysunshine]

Ok, georgephillip.

If the government owes me a job, and I already have a job, can I sub-contract that job to someone else and take a cut of his payroll?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Sounds outlandish, doesn't it?

"A right to a job may sound outlandish, but it’s common sense. You need dollars to eat, and unless you steal the dollars, you generally have to earn them.

How does government stealing the dollars for you make the transaction more morally acceptable?

Who do you imagine government is stealing dollars from, GE?
Unless you believe all taxation is theft, government funding for a Jobs Guarantee program could be kept at 1% to 2% of GDP with returns several times larger, including paying people to work instead of paying them to remain unemployed.

If that is true why doesn't every government in the world already do it?

Hint, because money is not magical. Ther is absolutely no way that government can give a person a job and make more money than it shells out, if it could we would never have ended the WPA.

 

[dblack]

Jobs are a resource which capitalism allocates imperfectly, at best.

Jobs are not a resource.

I would think economic democracy would mandate government's help in providing employment.

Economic democracy would. Economic freedom would not.

Land, labor, and capital are resources.
Why wouldn't jobs qualify?

A job is an agreement between two parties to exchange compensation for labor. Labor can be considered a resource (though certainly not a 'pubic' resource), but a job is a specific transaction. As such, it's no one's business but the parties involved.

 

[dblack]

Ok, georgephillip.

If the government owes me a job, and I already have a job, can I sub-contract that job to someone else and take a cut of his payroll?

Sounds fair. Where's my 'job'?

 

[kaz]

Sounds outlandish, doesn't it?

"A right to a job may sound outlandish, but it’s common sense. You need dollars to eat, and unless you steal the dollars, you generally have to earn them.

How does government stealing the dollars for you make the transaction more morally acceptable?

Who do you imagine government is stealing dollars from, GE?
Unless you believe all taxation is theft, government funding for a Jobs Guarantee program could be kept at 1% to 2% of GDP with returns several times larger, including paying people to work instead of paying them to remain unemployed.

Liberals never do grasp the difference between taxes for common good like police and military and taxes for wealth redistribution. It's not that hard, yet so far beyond your grasp. LOL.