You want to see real CHAOS? How about an electoral college tie - 269 to 269

[JWBooth]

You want to see real CHAOS? How about an electoral college tie - 269 to 269​

The real chaos will be in the Republican side of the House. Dimocraps are easy, they line up like good little soldiers.
The GOPers are in a pickle, those that wish to vote for anybody than Trump will end their careers.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Oh crap!

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By the end of this process, the country, as unlikely as it sounds, could end up with President Donald Trump and Vice President Tim Walz.

Dems are going to lose the Senate. It won't even be close.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What I didn't see was. If the there is a tie in the Senate for VP then who breaks the tie as there would be no sitting VP?

Just leave the position vacant and if something happens to POTUS the leader of the House takes over?

They will revote until someone flips and gives one candidate a majority.

 

[postman]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/04/politics/tie-presidential-election-what-matters/index.html

This is fascinating. As if the political situation isn’t already crazy enough and the country divided enough, picture this:

Trump and Harris finish in a 269 to 269 electoral college tie. Several maps are shown of how this could happen. Now we will shift into tie breaker mode.... Advantage TRUMP.

Maybe not. A read of the constitution says

Article I, Section 3, Clause 4:

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

If the count is 269 to 269 (equally divided) the VP could invoke the constitutional clause and cast the deciding vote.

And there would only be 2 weeks to prove different.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What if Trump wins the House vote for President and Waltz wins the Senate VP vote?


EDIT
At the time of the founders you could have a President of one party, and the VP from another party. Can you still have that today?

Yes. Very unlikely but it is possible.

 

[Blaster]

They will revote until someone flips and gives one candidate a majority.

I agree Admiral.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

There is little question . Those states with GOP legislatures would vote R regardless of how their states voted

The legislatures of the states have nothing to do with it.

 

[postman]

Yes. Very unlikely but it is possible.

If the choice of president goes to the house, what you forget is that under the current rules, it only takes one person to unseat the current speaker of the house. And if they do so, no other business can take place before they elect a new speaker.

Taken how long it takes for republicans to elect a speaker. If they don't do so by January 20th. The VP picked by the Senate becomes acting president.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Maybe not. A read of the constitution says

Article I, Section 3, Clause 4:

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

If the count is 269 to 269 (equally divided) the VP could invoke the constitutional clause and cast the deciding vote.

And there would only be 2 weeks to prove different.

269-269 isn't a tie in the Senate.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's the State house delegations who vote internally, and then say what their State is voting for, not the State legislatures.

A better term would be House delegations from each state.

For example, Kentucky has all Republicans except for one House seat. The vote would be for Trump. The same for the state of Tennessee, where only one Representative is Democrat. They would also vote for Trump.

 

[Vrenn]

Is it going to be Harris/Vance, or Trump/Walz on Jan 21, 2025?

Interpretation: The Twelfth Amendment | Constitution Center

Interpretations of The Twelfth Amendment by constitutional scholars

constitutioncenter.org

"According to the 12th Amendment, enacted in the wake of that divisive 1800 election, if no candidate gets a majority of the Electoral College votes, the new Congress, which would have just been sworn in on January 3, chooses the president. The Senate would choose the vice president."

How about Walz/Vance. We can rest easy.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If the choice of president goes to the house, what you forget is that under the current rules, it only takes one person to unseat the current speaker of the house. And if they do so, no other business can take place before they elect a new speaker.

Taken how long it takes for republicans to elect a speaker. If they don't do so by January 20th. The VP picked by the Senate becomes acting president.

It will be a new group of House members and the speaker has nothing to do with
50 state delegations deciding their vote for President.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

There is little question . Those states with GOP legislatures would vote R regardless of how their states voted

Shut up, Lesh! You're drunk again!

 

[Auld Phart]

Maybe not. A read of the constitution says

Article I, Section 3, Clause 4:

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

If the count is 269 to 269 (equally divided) the VP could invoke the constitutional clause and cast the deciding vote.

And there would only be 2 weeks to prove different.

if the EV is tied, when it gets to the House, there are 50 votes, one for each state.

 

[JWBooth]

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 3 states that the decision goes to the House of Representatives while the Senate picks the vice president. But the voting in the House is different from the Senate. In the vote for vice president, each Senator has one vote. But in the House each state has only one vote for president—regardless of its size—and a presidential candidate needs 26 states to win.

 

[postman]

269-269 isn't a tie in the Senate.

Where do they count he votes?

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The violent mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 came perilously close to Vice President Pence, who was not evacuated from the Senate chamber for about 14 minutes after the Capitol Police reported an initial attempted breach of the complex — enough time for the marauders to rush inside the building and approach his location, according to law enforcement officials and video footage from that day.

 

[postman]

It will be a new group of House members and the speaker has nothing to do with
50 state delegations deciding their vote for President.

It absolutely does. The house can't conduct any business without a speaker of the house.

 

[postman]

if the EV is tied, when it gets to the House, there are 50 votes, one for each state.

And unless they change the rules. Any one member of the house can unseat the speaker of the house.
And until a new speaker is elected, no business can be conducted other than that needed to elect a speaker.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Where do they count he votes?

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The violent mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 came perilously close to Vice President Pence, who was not evacuated from the Senate chamber for about 14 minutes after the Capitol Police reported an initial attempted breach of the complex — enough time for the marauders to rush inside the building and approach his location, according to law enforcement officials and video footage from that day.

Counting electoral votes in the Senate doesn't give the VP a vote in the electoral college.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You want to see real CHAOS? How about an electoral college tie - 269 to 269​

The real chaos will be in the Republican side of the House. Dimocraps are easy, they line up like good little soldiers.
The GOPers are in a pickle, those that wish to vote for anybody than Trump will end their careers.

Their choices will be Trump and Harris.
They could abstain, I suppose.