Zone1 You didn’t choose your faith. It chose you.

[BreezeWood]

So, how's that working out for them? ANd society, as society as a whole follows.

they wrote the u s constitution ... will it survive the desert dwellers of late, maga - maggots.

 

[Correll]

they wrote the u s constitution ... will it survive the desert dwellers of late, maga - maggots.

The founding fathers were not anti-christian. YOu are talking shit now.


I'm not aware of any great civilization that did not have a religious core.

And our culture is fucked up and seems to be getting WORSE as we move futher away from our Christian Instituations.

The secular individuals, seem to be having more and more of the various issues, that are running our society into the ground, not LESS.

 

[BreezeWood]

The founding fathers were not anti-christian. YOu are talking shit now.


I'm not aware of any great civilization that did not have a religious core.

who wrote the document clearly was anti-christian and certainly kept christianity out of the u s gov't.

this country has a religious core ...

the bible belt - thankfully they presently are not allowed membership to the u s gov't.

 

[MarathonMike]

You answered your own question: Because God is in charge, down to the last molecule. When someone takes time to create, they care about and care for what it is they created.

That is a reasonable point of view. But consider that God could care about every living thing that he created without intervening. As a crude example consider a nature photographer who dedicates his life to documenting wild animals. He films an injured lion cub and wants to help it, but that would be disturbing the natural course of events, so he does not help it.

 

[Correll]

who wrote the document clearly was anti-christian and certainly kept christianity out of the u s gov't.

this country has a religious core ...

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the bible belt - thankfully they presently are not allowed membership to the u s gov't.

That you conflate wanting to avoid an Established CHurch and being anti-Christiand is retarded.

Your desire to ban Christians from political activity is bigoted and tryannical.

 

[Meriweather]

That is a reasonable point of view. But consider that God could care about every living thing that he created without intervening. As a crude example consider a nature photographer who dedicates his life to documenting wild animals. He films an injured lion cub and wants to help it, but that would be disturbing the natural course of events, so he does not help it.

Ah, but he didn't create the lion cub.

 

[braalian]

What about the atheists in my family who weren't told about God, eternity, etc. This wasn't the case in my immediate family, and we were never taught "how to earn love". Did someone teach you this, and how do you earn love?

Several thousand years ago Moses taught the people that the moral law wasn't somewhere high in the heavens that we have to ask, "But who will get it and bring it down to us? The moral law is not far across the sea from us that we have to ask, "But who will travel across the sea, find it, and return with it? Moses taught that the moral law is already in our mouths and in our hearts. This is not programming, it is educating.

If you’d been born in Saudi Arabia you’d be a Muslim right now.

Just as if someone from there had been born in Kansas they’d be a Christian.

It isn’t a difficult idea and it’s as obvious as shit

 

[Meriweather]

If you’d been born in Saudi Arabia you’d be a Muslim right now.

Just as if someone from there had been born in Kansas they’d be a Christian.

What's your point? That if I had been born in Saudi Arabia I would be a dark-eyed brunette rather than a blue-eyed blonde?

 

[braalian]

What's your point? That if I had been born in Saudi Arabia I would be a dark-eyed brunette rather than a blue-eyed blonde?

The point is that it’s a major plot-hole in the whole organized religion concept

 

[BreezeWood]

That you conflate wanting to avoid an Established CHurch and being anti-Christiand is retarded.

Your desire to ban Christians from political activity is bigoted and tryannical.

who wrote the document clearly was anti-christian and certainly kept christianity out of the u s gov't.

that is the law ... no established church for the us gov't allowed.

too bad for you that is exactly what the establishment clause does - keeps the desert religions and all others out of the u s gov't and is deliberately written for that purpose.

 

[Meriweather]

The point is that it’s a major plot-hole in the whole organized religion concept

What if you had been born to Syrian or Afghanistan parents? What plot hole do you see there? Or, had you been born in the ghetto to a single mom? What if you had been born half Asian, half French? Or, born the opposite sex? How many plot holes do you wish to turn into rabbit holes?

 

[MarathonMike]

Ah, but he didn't create the lion cub.

True, but the point of the analogy is that a "higher being" can care about a "lower being" without intervening in the lower being's life.

 

[Correll]

that is the law ... no established church for the us gov't allowed.

too bad for you that is exactly what the establishment clause does - keeps the desert religions and all others out of the u s gov't and is deliberately written for that purpose.

no, it wasn't.


Being against the establishment of a federal CHURCH, is not the same as banning CHRISTIANS, or even CHRISTIAN IDEAS from political activity.

 

[braalian]

What if you had been born to Syrian or Afghanistan parents? What plot hole do you see there? Or, had you been born in the ghetto to a single mom? What if you had been born half Asian, half French? Or, born the opposite sex? How many plot holes do you wish to turn into rabbit holes?

When Europeans came to the western hemisphere, they didn’t find a single person who had been touched by God, prophesied to by God, or even heard of God.

To any thinking person this raises some serious doubts.

Why didn’t God ever try to reveal his presence to HALF the planet for 99.999999% of human history? Does that make any sense at all?

 

[The Duke]

You were born into a story. Before you could read, think critically, or even consent, you were told who God is, what sin is, what eternity means, and how to earn love. That’s not faith. That’s programming.

If you had been born in a different house, in a different country, under a different flag, you would believe something else. Maybe you’d worship a different god. Maybe you’d call that god by a different name. Maybe you wouldn’t believe in any god at all.

If what you believe had been given to you in reverse order, would you still call it truth, or just loyalty?

God imprinted himself to a certain extent into every human being.
I'm thinking perhaps the percentage varies.
As to what they do with that is free will.

 

[braalian]

God imprinted himself to a certain extent into every human being.
I'm thinking perhaps the percentage varies.
As to what they do with that is free will.

Even the Native Americans? Who had never heard of God or Jesus or any of that until the Colombian Exchange?

 

[The Duke]

When Europeans came to the western hemisphere, they didn’t find a single person who had been touched by God, prophesied to by God, or even heard of God.

To any thinking person this raises some serious doubts.

Why didn’t God ever try to reveal his presence to HALF the planet for 99.999999% of human history? Does that make any sense at all?

You meathead! They accepted the Conquistadores as God because God had came
to them before and he was white like the Spaniards! Damn!
What the **** history books did you read? Wtf?!

 

[BreezeWood]

no, it wasn't.


Being against the establishment of a federal CHURCH, is not the same as banning CHRISTIANS, or even CHRISTIAN IDEAS from political activity.

think again or the gov't will rewrite the christian bible all three desert documents without the forgeries lies and fallacies.

 

[The Duke]

Even the Native Americans? Who had never heard of God or Jesus or any of that until the Colombian Exchange?

You're wrong. North American Indians know of God, too.
He made this earth, retard, and they're pretty in tune with how things actually are.
He also appeared to them after being resurrected.
All the Indian history says so. (In America)

 

[The Duke]

think again or the gov't will rewrite the christian bible all three desert documents without the forgeries lies and fallacies.

I really should just ignore you. You'd be #3.