Zone1 You are a literal child of God

[The Irish Ram]

onefor1: All who are born onto this earth existed as the spirit children of God before we ever came to this earth.

I'm sorry but, there is nowhere in the Bible that infers that statement.

Adam and Eve were "birthed" right here on earth in detail. It tells us what Adam was created of. Not Heaven dust, but earth dust. Science upholds that. Then, Adam was operated on here, and parts were removed from him to create Eve, out of dust too. There was no one waiting in Heaven to become Eve. And both were created as adults. It doesn't mention that Adam and Eve were living in heaven prior to that. The Bible is explicit in that they were both created here. Not recreated.

David felt that God carefully knit him together while he was in his mother's womb. That suggests that David began after conception when he was knitted together here, not transferred from one spot or another. If he was in Heaven, did he sin there too? Was Hitler is Heaven ? How about Esau? Are we all adults in Heaven waiting to become fetuses here on earth?


Those who follow Jesus are co-heirs with Christ, and children of the Most High. That doesn't suggest that we were alive prior to our birth or that we all return to Heaven.
Adam and Eve were formed by God. The rest of us are all Eve's biological children.

Galatians 3:26
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus

^ That is how we become children of God. Faith in Jesus.
Heaven is not a birthright or a previous address. God wouldn't have asked if He should make man in their image, if man was already there...

 

[frigidweirdo]

We live in a physical world where physical events are able to kill people. The fact is, the moment we enter this world the body will one day die. Is it your wish to live on this world, and in this existence, for eternity?

Again, why would God kill people?

 

[frigidweirdo]

How many times do you need to be told why God did what he did? If He hadn't, you wouldn't be here...

Ah yes, this is all about religious people telling me stuff and I'm just expected to accept what you say without thinking.

Great.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Just because one is born of Adam, doesn't make him a child of God. Once the fall took place, another seed line was produced. Thus sons of God and sons of Satan are the result. (Gen. 3:15)

Quantrill

Yeah, you didn't even try and answer my question.

 

[Meriweather]

Again, why would God kill people?

We've discussed that premises and conclusions about the Great Flood story before. I gave my perspective back then and have nothing further to add now.

 

[Quantrill]

Yeah, you didn't even try and answer my question.

I did answer your question. Post #(59)

How could you miss it when you quoted it?

Quantrill

 

[frigidweirdo]

I did answer your question. Post #(59)

How could you miss it when you quoted it?

Quantrill

Bananas.

See, I answered you question.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Again, why would God kill people?

Again, He didn't. He saved 8 of us...

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Again, He didn't. He saved 8 of us...

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Everyone who died in the Deluge died of his/her own doing. As does everyone who ends up in hell. They put themselves there.

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[onefour1]

onefor1: All who are born onto this earth existed as the spirit children of God before we ever came to this earth.

I'm sorry but, there is nowhere in the Bible that infers that statement.

Adam and Eve were "birthed" right here on earth in detail. It tells us what Adam was created of. Not Heaven dust, but earth dust. Science upholds that. Then, Adam was operated on here, and parts were removed from him to create Eve, out of dust too. There was no one waiting in Heaven to become Eve. And both were created as adults. It doesn't mention that Adam and Eve were living in heaven prior to that. The Bible is explicit in that they were both created here. Not recreated.

David felt that God carefully knit him together while he was in his mother's womb. That suggests that David began after conception when he was knitted together here, not transferred from one spot or another. If he was in Heaven, did he sin there too? Was Hitler is Heaven ? How about Esau? Are we all adults in Heaven waiting to become fetuses here on earth?


Those who follow Jesus are co-heirs with Christ, and children of the Most High. That doesn't suggest that we were alive prior to our birth or that we all return to Heaven.
Adam and Eve were formed by God. The rest of us are all Eve's biological children.

^ That is how we become children of God. Faith in Jesus.
Heaven is not a birthright or a previous address. God wouldn't have asked if He should make man in their image, if man was already there...

I would refer you back to posts #1, #17, and #53. I would suggest that strongest verse for this are Acts 17:28-29, Hebrews 12:9, Palms 82:6, and John 10:32-36. In those verses Paul teaches that we are the literal offspring of the Father and that the Father is the father of our spirits. Jesus also tells us that he considers us to be gods and that we are all His children. If you look at Revelation 12:7-11 we read about the war in heaven that occurred before we came to this earth and when Lucifer was still in heaven but was the cast out. We read that those who warred with Satan and his minions in the war in heaven had to overcome him by the blood of the lamb and their testimonies and also be subject to death. Who do you suppose those brethren were? They had to have become mortal to be subject to death and they were able to overcome death eventually by the blood of the lamb and their testimonies. Sounds alot like we mortals here on this earth if you ask me. It was we who fought against Lucifer and his minions in the war in heaven and now we are subject to death in this world and rely on the blood of the lamb to eventually overcome death through the resurrection and the forgiveness of sin through Christ's atonement. Here are other verses that testify of our ante-mortal existence:

Man, Antemortal Existence of​

• See also Council in Heaven; Foreordination; Man, a Spirit Child of Heavenly Father; Spirit Creation
• God of the spirits of all flesh, Num. 16:22 (27:16).
• all the sons of God shouted for joy, Job 38:7.
• the spirit shall return unto God who gave it, Eccl. 12:7.
• Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee, Jer. 1:5.
• Lord … formeth the spirit of man within him, Zech. 12:1.
• who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind, John 9:2.
• poets have said, For we are also his offspring, Acts 17:28.
• For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate, Rom. 8:29.
• chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, Eph. 1:4.
• subjection unto the Father of spirits, Heb. 12:9.
• angels which kept not their first estate, Jude 1:6.
• Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, Rev. 12:7.
• called and prepared from the foundation of the world, Alma 13:3.
• bringeth them back into the presence of the Lord, Hel. 14:17.
• third part of the hosts of heaven turned he away, D&C 29:36.
• seraphic hosts of heaven, before the world was made, D&C 38:1.
• man, according to his creation before the world, D&C 49:17.
• Man was also in the beginning with God, D&C 93:29.
• choice spirits who were reserved to come forth, D&C 138:53.
• before they were born … received their first lessons, D&C 138:56.
• in heaven created I them; and there was not yet flesh upon the earth, Moses 3:5.
• he beheld the spirits that God had created, Moses 6:36.
• intelligences that were organized before the world was, Abr. 3:22.
• he stood among those that were spirits, Abr. 3:23.
• took his spirit … and put it into him, Abr. 5:7.
• See also Prov. 8:22–31; John 1:2, 14; 8:58; 16:28; 17:5, 24; 2 Tim. 1:9; Titus 1:2; 3 Ne. 1:13; 26:5; Ether 3:16.

Yes it is true that upon coming to this mortal world in a fallen state that we need to be born again and become followers of Jesus Christ in order to be considered his children. But this doesn't nullify the fact that we existed prior to coming to this world and that our spirits are the literal offspring of God the Father.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The angels fought in Heaven. There were no humans fighting fallen angels in Heaven.

The first humans were created here. God even asked those in Heaven what man should be like:
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
Obviously, there was no man before God asked that question.

Daniel waited for a message from God for 3 weeks because the angel couldn't fight his way down to here because of the fallen angels. He had to call on archangel, Michael, who was busy fighting the fallen angel behind the Kingdom of Persia, for Israel's sake. The two angels of God were able to get the message to Daniel only after they subdued the fallen angels in the air.
Man isn't equipt to fight against angels. We can't even see them, let alone tell one from the other.

Ephesians 6:12​

For our fight is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world.
How do we fight against someone we can even see? We put on our armor:

Ephesians 6:11 and Ephesians 6:13-17 describes these weapons: salvation, truth, righteousness, faith, the Word of God, the gospel of peace, and more:
Brethren, the greatest way to wrestle against these principalities is to walk in righteousness, walk in the Spirit, bear the fruit of the Spirit, and be a person of prayer in the Word.

 

[Quantrill]

Bananas.

See, I answered you question.

No you didn't. I asked why would you ask when you quoted my answer.

Bananas is no answer. Why are atheists such liars and cowards?

Quantrill

 

[onefour1]

The angels fought in Heaven. There were no humans fighting fallen angels in Heaven.

Angels are mankind. The Prophet Joseph Smith taught that the angel Michael is Adam and the angel Gabriel is Noah.

Revelation 22:8-9
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

The first humans were created here. God even asked those in Heaven what man should be like:
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
Obviously, there was no man before God asked that question.

Daniel waited for a message from God for 3 weeks because the angel couldn't fight his way down to here because of the fallen angels. He had to call on archangel, Michael, who was busy fighting the fallen angel behind the Kingdom of Persia, for Israel's sake. The two angels of God were able to get the message to Daniel only after they subdued the fallen angels in the air.
Man isn't equipt to fight against angels. We can't even see them, let alone tell one from the other.

Mankind's physical bodies were created from the dust of the earth. However, when God breathed into Adam and Eve the breath of life, He placed man's spirit within his body and man became a living soul. Angels are not a separate species from mankind. Being an angel of God is a calling given to the children of God to be messengers of God (Again see Revelations 22:9).

• Abraham 5:7
  And the Gods formed man from the dust of the ground, and took his spirit (that is, the man’s spirit), and put it into him; and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.
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  Moses 3:7
  And I, the Lord God, formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul, the first flesh upon the earth, the first man also; nevertheless, all things were before created; but spiritually were they created and made according to my word.

Daniel 9:21
Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

According to this the angel Gabriel was a man.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Again, He didn't. He saved 8 of us...

So, if there are, I don't know, 500,000 humans on Earth, and you kill all but 8 of them, that's not killing people? Because you didn't kill ALL OF THEM?

Hitler also didn't kill anyone, because PEOPLE SURVIVED?

 

[sparky]

this is the mind of God>

it is he same basic structure as>>>

~S~

 

[The Irish Ram]

The Prophet Joseph Smith taught that the angel Michael is Adam

Then how did Adam, who apparently was fighting the principalities of Persia, help an angel fight off the powers that were preventing a message to Daniel? There were thousands of years between your timeline.

 

[The Irish Ram]

So, if there are, I don't know, 500,000 humans on Earth, and you kill all but 8 of them, that's not killing people? Because you didn't kill ALL OF THEM?

Hitler also didn't kill anyone, because PEOPLE SURVIVED?

They weren't human, frigid. They were the offspring of fallen angels and women. They were huge and extremely ill-tempered. Nephilim had corrupt DNA. Noah and his family did not. They were pure in their generations. What God did was salvage mankind before it was too late.

 

[frigidweirdo]

They weren't human, frigid. They were the offspring of fallen angels and women. They were huge and extremely ill-tempered. Nephilim had corrupt DNA. Noah and his family did not. They were pure in their generations. What God did was salvage mankind before it was too late.

Er...

Were Adam and Eve humans? They were the first (yeah right) humans. Which means everyone after this was human.

Were Adam and Eve the first humans in the world? - Christian Faith Guide

I studied biblical texts as a theology student, delving into biblical evidence for the existence of Adam and Eve as the earliest human beings.

christianfaithguide.com

"The Bible talks about Adam and Eve as the only human beings that God created. From them, then, all humanity descended."

Genesis 2:21-23

"
21&nbsp;So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[<a href="Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 2:21-23 - New International Version" title="See footnote a">a</a>] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22&nbsp;Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[<a href="Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 2:21-23 - New International Version" title="See footnote b">b</a>] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

23&nbsp;The man said,

“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”"

Definitely looks like they're HUMANS.

 

[onefour1]

Then how did Adam, who apparently was fighting the principalities of Persia, help an angel fight off the powers that were preventing a message to Daniel? There were thousands of years between your timeline.

The unembodied spirits who have not yet come to earth to receive a body are still in image of God the same as mankind on this earth. Mankind on this earth is also made in the image of God. Upon death, the spirits of mankind live on as spirits just the same as they were before coming to earth and receiving a body until they resurrect. Upon resurrection the spirits of mankind are again with physical bodies that are immortal. Not exactly sure what you are referring to in your post. Quote the scripture so I can better understand where you are coming from.

Michael lived as a disembodied spirit before being born on the earth as Adam. Adam lived 930 years and died. HIs spirit lived on but wasn't resurrect until after Jesus, who was the first to resurrect. Michael was a leader in the war in heaven according to Revelation 12:7-11. Other appearances of Michael after he had come to earth as Adam and then died was the same spirit that inhabited the body of Adam on this earth. I believe that he now has resurrected and is Michael the archangel who does play a major role in the plan of God for this earth.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Yes, humans. Yes. fallen angels.
Humans + fallen angels = Nephilim.
Nephilim +Nephilim = Nephilim.