Yet another school shooting

[DrLove]

No you refuse to admit if a minor child can take his father's guns that the guns were not secured

But since Daddy was a Trump supporter, you'll forgive him.

 

[DrLove]

The idea that anyone would confiscate guns is both a straw man fallacy and a lie.

It's two, Two, TWO mints in one!

 

[beagle9]

A common sense gun law, requiring trigger locks and secure storage of firearms have been opposed by the NRA and its supporters. One more reason that the NRA is an irresponsible organization which enables the horrific use of firearms, such as we have seen too often in our country.

How do you enforce a law like that?

Do you just let the cops enter any home at any time to check?

IMO the father of this kid should be charged with negligence at the least and serve at least 5 years the kid should be tries as an adult and serve the rest of his life

there is not enough information out there yet to make that call about the father at least i have not seen any

The kid took his his father's guns.

The guns were not secured the the father is culpable

i have not heard if the guns had been secured or not

do you have a link on that

If they were secured the kid would not have been able to get his hands on them

Common sense

Unless his dad just gave them over to him (here son we trust you).

 

[beagle9]

No you refuse to admit if a minor child can take his father's guns that the guns were not secured

But since Daddy was a Trump supporter, you'll forgive him.

Anything to attack Trump with, and that's just how you Demon-crats/liberals/leftist (what ever suits you),roll eh ?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Seems to me that a lot of people with guns are walking into schools and shooting so not all schools are doing anything to prevent it as you say they are

and how well did those policies work in Parkland or in TX last week?

Don't try telling me every single school has procedures to stop people with guns from entering

How much will it require to make every school in America a hard target, surrounded by razor wire, equipped with cameras and warning buzzers, single portals with a sally port the only way to enter and exit the walls of a neighborhood school, and in every classroom a steel door, automatically locked when the walls are breached?

How far do we go to protect an archaic 2nd A., which by any measure is the source of mass murder at school, movie theaters, concerts, malls and even military bases?

Common sense has shown prayers and false pathos have proved to be worthless non efforts to come to grips with horrific events which (it has been reported) this year have taken the lives of more kids in schools than deaths in our military service?

Isn't it time for the Congress to review our nation's gun policies, as past members of Congress did after the assassination of JFK, the assassination of MLK and RFK, and the attempt on the life of President Reagan?

In this century alone, we have seen mass murders by gun as the new normal, and even when members of the Republican Party were shot at a ball field, the NRA's hold on that party remains strong.

What is it with you people?

How do you make the gargantuan leap from controlling access and 2 very simple procedures like bag checks and asking people to remove their coats before entering with razor wire, metal detectors and trained G men?

A simple thing such as controlling access to the building needs none of what you describe

And you may think it's archaic to own a firearm for self defense but until you can guarantee that I will never be the victim of a crime I'm going to keep my guns

YOU ALWAYS default to a Straw Man! Why not be honest and admit that I have never been a gun grabber. Why do you lie about this all of the time.? Being a liar does not help your position, it only makes you less credible and your opinions foolish.

One example of this foolish notion, which many do all of the time, is to make the claim "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", when the fact is laws prevent many types of arms, from small arms to nuclear bombs, to be possessed by "the people".

From Brass knuckles to nunchucks to sawed off shotguns and fully automatic hand and long guns we have seen laws passed and enforced by state legislators and city/county boards of supervisors who outlaw 'arms'. We have seen laws and regulations to restrict some arms, and some require a license to legally own certain arms.

It's time to grow up and support common sense gun regulations and controls. Magical thinking is for young children, and the belief shall not infringe is a fantasy.

The idea that anyone would confiscate guns is both a straw man fallacy and a lie.

Yep, gun confiscation is a fraud, since we know from experience prohibition does not work, and the number of guns in circulation in the US makes any effort to take them costly and near to impossible.

But Skull Pilot and others still make that claim, a claim that is absurd and yet works on the biddable and easily led lemmings, who vote against their own best interests on this singular issue.

Where have I ever mentioned gun confiscation?

Please quote the specific post

 

[Skull Pilot]

How do you enforce a law like that?

Do you just let the cops enter any home at any time to check?

IMO the father of this kid should be charged with negligence at the least and serve at least 5 years the kid should be tries as an adult and serve the rest of his life

there is not enough information out there yet to make that call about the father at least i have not seen any

The kid took his his father's guns.

The guns were not secured the the father is culpable

i have not heard if the guns had been secured or not

do you have a link on that

If they were secured the kid would not have been able to get his hands on them

Common sense

Unless his dad just gave them over to him (here son we trust you).

And if he did that he is even more culpable

 

[Skull Pilot]

No you refuse to admit if a minor child can take his father's guns that the guns were not secured

But since Daddy was a Trump supporter, you'll forgive him.

Hey Dory, I didn't vote for Trump

I've only said this about 100000 times on this board so you either can't read or you have the IQ of a goldfish

Personally I think it's both

 

[beagle9]

The takeaway from these 115 pages is clear, those so intensely opposed to even talking about means to end this American Horror seek to blame everyone and everything but the gun.

In fact they truly believe guns are benevolent and the NRA exists to promote gun safety, when it is clear profit and power is its real purpose.

There is no point in seeking to debate them, for they will never compromise no matter how much more carnage and grief occurs. It is their supposed right, which supersedes the life of others, even those who had only been on the earth for less than two decades or even one.

Why would anyone compromise when they are in the right? A firearm is not intelligent and does not have free will. It is merely an object. The ONLY way to deal with this problem is to change the behavior of the humans who are committing these acts.

Good grief, what is right about guns being in the hands of someone irresponsible? Since science cannot predict future behavior, which is more right, gun control or people control?

Gun control requires a modicum of infringement on the person, the latter an extreme amount of infringement on their liberty.

Easy, people control is better. Guns aren't the only tool used when an idiot goes bonkers.

No further comment needs to be expressed to prove beagle9 supports Authoritarianism. This ideology is anathema to our nations history and tradition.

Sadly he is not alone in seeking to destroy what our Founding Fathers left to their posterity, and has become a movement on the far right led by Trump&Co.

Nice try, but no win for you on this one..

I only support Authoritarianism when it comes to those who need to be put under the needful eye of armed gaurds in a prison, crazy house, jail house, asylum etc.

Don't do the crime, and you won't have to do the time or don't kill least ye be killed in the justice of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

Yes we have authorities in this country, and they are called the law and the justice system. If you think the founders we're against law and order, then you and the leftist need to brush up on your history.

 

[beagle9]

A common sense gun law, requiring trigger locks and secure storage of firearms have been opposed by the NRA and its supporters. One more reason that the NRA is an irresponsible organization which enables the horrific use of firearms, such as we have seen too often in our country.

How do you enforce a law like that?

Do you just let the cops enter any home at any time to check?

IMO the father of this kid should be charged with negligence at the least and serve at least 5 years the kid should be tries as an adult and serve the rest of his life

there is not enough information out there yet to make that call about the father at least i have not seen any

The kid took his his father's guns.

The guns were not secured the the father is culpable

I had access to my step fathers guns and took them to go hunting in the woods around UCF all the time. I never shot anyone.

If you did your father would have been culpable just as this kid's father is culpable.

Tell me if you took your father's car without permission and ran over an old lady would your father not be culpable for the actions of you, his minor child?

Yes culpable maybe in some regard, but to what extent if the kid took the car without permission ??

 

[Skull Pilot]

How do you enforce a law like that?

Do you just let the cops enter any home at any time to check?

IMO the father of this kid should be charged with negligence at the least and serve at least 5 years the kid should be tries as an adult and serve the rest of his life

there is not enough information out there yet to make that call about the father at least i have not seen any

The kid took his his father's guns.

The guns were not secured the the father is culpable

I had access to my step fathers guns and took them to go hunting in the woods around UCF all the time. I never shot anyone.

If you did your father would have been culpable just as this kid's father is culpable.

Tell me if you took your father's car without permission and ran over an old lady would your father not be culpable for the actions of you, his minor child?

Yes culpable maybe in some regard, but to what extent if the kid took the car without permission ??

That's for the courts and lawyers to figure out

 

[jon_berzerk]

only a moron would make that claim without the facts

FACT The kid took his father's guns and murdered 10 people
FACT the father was unaware that his minor child took his guns
FACT if the guns were secured properly the minor child would not have been able to take them and murder 10 people

fact 2 - adds to my position not yours

fact 3 is not a fact at at this point

you have no facts about how he obtained them

he may have broken a lock

you simply are making assumptions again

If he could have simply broken a cheap lock the guns were not properly secured

I suppose you think securing a gun rack with a paper clip is OK right?

now you are still just guessing find some facts will ya

--LOL

you might be right but as of now you are just as bad as the liberals with the guessing

I suppose you think securing a gun rack with a paper clip is OK right?

no unlike you i am not jumping to conclusions

No you refuse to admit if a minor child can take his father's guns that the guns were not secured

bullshit you know none of the facts of the case

 

[jon_berzerk]

there is not enough information out there yet to make that call about the father at least i have not seen any

The kid took his his father's guns.

The guns were not secured the the father is culpable

I had access to my step fathers guns and took them to go hunting in the woods around UCF all the time. I never shot anyone.

If you did your father would have been culpable just as this kid's father is culpable.

Tell me if you took your father's car without permission and ran over an old lady would your father not be culpable for the actions of you, his minor child?

Yes culpable maybe in some regard, but to what extent if the kid took the car without permission ??

That's for the courts and lawyers to figure out

how do the courts decide that

on facts

not emotion and guess work

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Antidepressants and School Shootings, Suicide, Addiction.

Number of kids on meds, and number of kids who shoot and kill large number of peers or commit suicide = what %?

What % not on meds who shoot and kill large numbers of peers or commit suicide = what %?

The medication is the cause of mass shooting in schools is one more effort to blame something other than guns.

Wow, you are so illogical it is beyond comprehension.



Let's try to think LOGICALLY, shall we?

What has this nation ALWAYS had? GUNS.

And thus, mass shootings have always been extremely rare, so obviously guns are not the cause of mass shootings.

What has this nation NOT ALWAYS had? Drugging our youth to solve it's immediate problems.

I would argue with the passage of the ACA making health care more widely available to perfectly healthy low income youth, teachers and administrators are now more than willing than ever to turn to drugs to solve short term problems in huge over-crowded schools with kids, rather than have these kids do the work and deal with their emotions and work the old fashioned way.

Have a kid that is sad and blue, being bullied, and perhaps lagging behind in his work?

Throw him on some ADHD meds and some bi-polar meds. If he shoots up the school and kills a dozen kids? What the hell. . . just blame the guns.

I missed the logic you promised, your reasoning, so to speak, lacks substance.

It is reasonable to assume that the drugs in question (Ritalin & Adderall) are not handed out without a prescription written by a psychiatrist who has taken a patients history and interviewed - in this case - the child, his parents and the referring physician.

This is also true of Lithium and other meds used to treat bi-polar disorders.

Without these drugs, many of these kids will end up in a group home or juvenile hall, addicted on street drugs as a means of self medication, and/or become homeless when they have burned every bridge with their family.

And attempting to claim that such medications are the cause of school shootings fails as a red herring fallacy.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Seems to me that a lot of people with guns are walking into schools and shooting so not all schools are doing anything to prevent it as you say they are

and how well did those policies work in Parkland or in TX last week?

Don't try telling me every single school has procedures to stop people with guns from entering

How much will it require to make every school in America a hard target, surrounded by razor wire, equipped with cameras and warning buzzers, single portals with a sally port the only way to enter and exit the walls of a neighborhood school, and in every classroom a steel door, automatically locked when the walls are breached?

How far do we go to protect an archaic 2nd A., which by any measure is the source of mass murder at school, movie theaters, concerts, malls and even military bases?

Common sense has shown prayers and false pathos have proved to be worthless non efforts to come to grips with horrific events which (it has been reported) this year have taken the lives of more kids in schools than deaths in our military service?

Isn't it time for the Congress to review our nation's gun policies, as past members of Congress did after the assassination of JFK, the assassination of MLK and RFK, and the attempt on the life of President Reagan?

In this century alone, we have seen mass murders by gun as the new normal, and even when members of the Republican Party were shot at a ball field, the NRA's hold on that party remains strong.

What is it with you people?

How do you make the gargantuan leap from controlling access and 2 very simple procedures like bag checks and asking people to remove their coats before entering with razor wire, metal detectors and trained G men?

A simple thing such as controlling access to the building needs none of what you describe

And you may think it's archaic to own a firearm for self defense but until you can guarantee that I will never be the victim of a crime I'm going to keep my guns

YOU ALWAYS default to a Straw Man! Why not be honest and admit that I have never been a gun grabber. Why do you lie about this all of the time.? Being a liar does not help your position, it only makes you less credible and your opinions foolish.

One example of this foolish notion, which many do all of the time, is to make the claim "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", when the fact is laws prevent many types of arms, from small arms to nuclear bombs, to be possessed by "the people".

From Brass knuckles to nunchucks to sawed off shotguns and fully automatic hand and long guns we have seen laws passed and enforced by state legislators and city/county boards of supervisors who outlaw 'arms'. We have seen laws and regulations to restrict some arms, and some require a license to legally own certain arms.

It's time to grow up and support common sense gun regulations and controls. Magical thinking is for young children, and the belief shall not infringe is a fantasy.

The idea that anyone would confiscate guns is both a straw man fallacy and a lie.

Yep, gun confiscation is a fraud, since we know from experience prohibition does not work, and the number of guns in circulation in the US makes any effort to take them costly and near to impossible.

But Skull Pilot and others still make that claim, a claim that is absurd and yet works on the biddable and easily led lemmings, who vote against their own best interests on this singular issue.

Most on the right are demagogues, of course.

Conservatives contrive lies and fake news in an effort to obscure the facts and truth and keep the gullible base in line.

The lie of gun ‘confiscation’ being one of many examples.

 

[MisterBeale]

Antidepressants and School Shootings, Suicide, Addiction.

Number of kids on meds, and number of kids who shoot and kill large number of peers or commit suicide = what %?

What % not on meds who shoot and kill large numbers of peers or commit suicide = what %?

The medication is the cause of mass shooting in schools is one more effort to blame something other than guns.

Wow, you are so illogical it is beyond comprehension.



Let's try to think LOGICALLY, shall we?

What has this nation ALWAYS had? GUNS.

And thus, mass shootings have always been extremely rare, so obviously guns are not the cause of mass shootings.

What has this nation NOT ALWAYS had? Drugging our youth to solve it's immediate problems.

I would argue with the passage of the ACA making health care more widely available to perfectly healthy low income youth, teachers and administrators are now more than willing than ever to turn to drugs to solve short term problems in huge over-crowded schools with kids, rather than have these kids do the work and deal with their emotions and work the old fashioned way.

Have a kid that is sad and blue, being bullied, and perhaps lagging behind in his work?

Throw him on some ADHD meds and some bi-polar meds. If he shoots up the school and kills a dozen kids? What the hell. . . just blame the guns.

I missed the logic you promised, your reasoning, so to speak, lacks substance.

It is reasonable to assume that the drugs in question (Ritalin & Adderall) are not handed out without a prescription written by a psychiatrist who has taken a patients history and interviewed - in this case - the child, his parents and the referring physician.

This is also true of Lithium and other meds used to treat bi-polar disorders.

Without these drugs, many of these kids will end up in a group home or juvenile hall, addicted on street drugs as a means of self medication, and/or become homeless when they have burned every bridge with their family.

And attempting to claim that such medications are the cause of school shootings fails as a red herring fallacy.

That's hilarious.

A Red Herring is an argumentative logical fallacy that has no substantive bearing on the issue. If you had read closely all the arguments, and had even a average IQ, you would understand how this is even MORE relevant than gun ownership.

In fact, my father who grew up in the 40's and 50's said kids could get their hands on guns even easier than they could today. Do you know what that means?

It means that if you are looking for a solution to this problem, GUNS are in fact the RED HERRING when discussing this issue.

 

[beagle9]

How much will it require to make every school in America a hard target, surrounded by razor wire, equipped with cameras and warning buzzers, single portals with a sally port the only way to enter and exit the walls of a neighborhood school, and in every classroom a steel door, automatically locked when the walls are breached?

How far do we go to protect an archaic 2nd A., which by any measure is the source of mass murder at school, movie theaters, concerts, malls and even military bases?

Common sense has shown prayers and false pathos have proved to be worthless non efforts to come to grips with horrific events which (it has been reported) this year have taken the lives of more kids in schools than deaths in our military service?

Isn't it time for the Congress to review our nation's gun policies, as past members of Congress did after the assassination of JFK, the assassination of MLK and RFK, and the attempt on the life of President Reagan?

In this century alone, we have seen mass murders by gun as the new normal, and even when members of the Republican Party were shot at a ball field, the NRA's hold on that party remains strong.

What is it with you people?

How do you make the gargantuan leap from controlling access and 2 very simple procedures like bag checks and asking people to remove their coats before entering with razor wire, metal detectors and trained G men?

A simple thing such as controlling access to the building needs none of what you describe

And you may think it's archaic to own a firearm for self defense but until you can guarantee that I will never be the victim of a crime I'm going to keep my guns

YOU ALWAYS default to a Straw Man! Why not be honest and admit that I have never been a gun grabber. Why do you lie about this all of the time.? Being a liar does not help your position, it only makes you less credible and your opinions foolish.

One example of this foolish notion, which many do all of the time, is to make the claim "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", when the fact is laws prevent many types of arms, from small arms to nuclear bombs, to be possessed by "the people".

From Brass knuckles to nunchucks to sawed off shotguns and fully automatic hand and long guns we have seen laws passed and enforced by state legislators and city/county boards of supervisors who outlaw 'arms'. We have seen laws and regulations to restrict some arms, and some require a license to legally own certain arms.

It's time to grow up and support common sense gun regulations and controls. Magical thinking is for young children, and the belief shall not infringe is a fantasy.

The idea that anyone would confiscate guns is both a straw man fallacy and a lie.

Yep, gun confiscation is a fraud, since we know from experience prohibition does not work, and the number of guns in circulation in the US makes any effort to take them costly and near to impossible.

But Skull Pilot and others still make that claim, a claim that is absurd and yet works on the biddable and easily led lemmings, who vote against their own best interests on this singular issue.

Most on the right are demagogues, of course.

Conservatives contrive lies and fake news in an effort to obscure the facts and truth and keep the gullible base in line.

The lie of gun ‘confiscation’ being one of many examples.

Thanks for conceding that there won't be any gun confiscation going on. It's about time y'all gave up on such an idiotic quest.

Now it's time to begin the much harder task in life, and that is to get liberalism back out of the young folks poisoned minds.

 

[Vandalshandle]

.....and, yet, I have never heard a liberal argue for gun confiscation. All of the comes from paranoia of the radical Right, funded by the NRA. For one thing, it is literally physically impossible. For another, it is not desirable. For another, it is politically impossible. But, it is very useful to the Right to rant about it order to fund the Right. Of course, the militias all over the country love to go on and on about it after a weekend of playing soldier, down at the beer hall. The news is now out that one such gun nut was the father of the Texas shooter, whose guns the kid used to kill 10 people.

 

[beagle9]

.....and, yet, I have never heard a liberal argue for gun confiscation. All of the comes from paranoia of the radical Right, funded by the NRA. For one thing, it is literally physically impossible. For another, it is not desirable. For another, it is politically impossible. But, it is very useful to the Right to rant about it order to fund the Right. Of course, the militias all over the country love to go on and on about it after a weekend of playing soldier, down at the beer hall. The news is now out that one such gun nut was the father of the Texas shooter, whose guns the kid used to kill 10 people.

Hmmm, is that right ??? No it isn't right that the liberals haven't called for gun confiscation... In fact a former supreme Court Justice did (not so long ago), and you libs jumped to the roof in praise of it.

Mar 27, 2018 · On Tuesday, former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens ... necessitate the confiscation of tens of millions of firearms. ... Stevens's call today to “repeal the Second Amendment” ...

 

[beagle9]

Metal detectors - No one in unless pass through the check points... Enough is enough of the idiocy already.

What happens in these bubbles should not effect the rights and lives of others outside these bubbles.

Fix what is happening in these bubbles, and be done with the bullcrap already.

Are we really so stupid that we can't fix problems in this country now ??

First we must figure out who doesn't want these things fixed, and who keeps fueling these fires, and who would rather exploit these fires than do what's right, and put a stop to it.

This stuff should have already been in the works since the last mass shooting, but here we are again because some state, town, city or community figured that it wouldn't come their way. Well surprise procrastinator's.

Look into your children's eyes if you give a crap about them, and say enough is enough.

 

[KissMy]

Metal detectors - No one in unless pass through the check points... Enough is enough of the idiocy already.

What happens in these bubbles should not effect the rights and lives of others outside these bubbles.

Fix what is happening in these bubbles, and be done with the bullcrap already.

Are we really so stupid that we can't fix problems in this country now ??

First we must figure out who doesn't want these things fixed, and who keeps fueling these fires, and who would rather exploit these fires than do what's right, and put a stop to it.

This stuff should have already been in the works since the last mass shooting, but here we are again because some state, town, city or community figured that it wouldn't come their way. Well surprise procrastinator's.

Look into your children's eyes if you give a crap about them, and say enough is enough.

Funneling people into metal detector choke-points makes them easy targets. Locking them inside a prison means no escaping danger like fires or shooters. The shooters don't stop at metal detectors, doors or windows & blast their way inside.