Yet another school shooting

[Skull Pilot]

That's for the courts and lawyers to figure out

how do the courts decide that

on facts

not emotion and guess work

I am not emotional and I am not guessing.

you are both

your opinion

and guess what I think that's worth.

yes i value mine more then your guess work

No t guessing at all

The kid took his father's guns without the father knowing

If the guns were secured the kid could not have taken his father's guns without his father knowing

 

[jon_berzerk]

how do the courts decide that

on facts

not emotion and guess work

I am not emotional and I am not guessing.

you are both

your opinion

and guess what I think that's worth.

yes i value mine more then your guess work

No t guessing at all

The kid took his father's guns without the father knowing

If the guns were secured the kid could not have taken his father's guns without his father knowing

no you are guessing

the law states reasonable steps to prevent

you dont know what steps the father or family took to secure the firearms

i am done arguing with with your guess work

Texas Penal Code - PENAL - PENAL § 46.13 | FindLaw

 

[Skull Pilot]

I am not emotional and I am not guessing.

you are both

your opinion

and guess what I think that's worth.

yes i value mine more then your guess work

No t guessing at all

The kid took his father's guns without the father knowing

If the guns were secured the kid could not have taken his father's guns without his father knowing

no you are guessing

the law states reasonable steps to prevent

you dont know what steps the father or family took to secure the firearms

i am done arguing with with your guess work

Texas Penal Code - PENAL - PENAL § 46.13 | FindLaw

That's funny

The law states yadda yadda

you just proved you can't think for yourself

It ain't rocket science to secure a firearm but I guess you need to be told how to do it

 

[jon_berzerk]

you are both

your opinion

and guess what I think that's worth.

yes i value mine more then your guess work

No t guessing at all

The kid took his father's guns without the father knowing

If the guns were secured the kid could not have taken his father's guns without his father knowing

no you are guessing

the law states reasonable steps to prevent

you dont know what steps the father or family took to secure the firearms

i am done arguing with with your guess work

Texas Penal Code - PENAL - PENAL § 46.13 | FindLaw

That's funny

The law states yadda yadda

you just proved you can't think for yourself

It ain't rocket science to secure a firearm but I guess you need to be told how to do it

--LOL ya leftard that is all you have left

**** you

 

[DrLove]

Yeah you're right let's do it your way you know the way that lets people with guns just walk into school and start shooting

None of your objections to increased security are insurmountable

And why would there be a need for additional drivers?

Instead of staggering start times alphabetically it could be done by which bus the children arrive on. All that would need to be done there is change the pick up times at the bus stops

You really don't have a head for logistics

So let us be sure that we fully fully understand this ---
YOU have a head for logistics?



Bet you Trump would have a job for you on his cabinet. He just doesn't have enough bad thinkers and logisticians!

 

[Pop23]

Yeah you're right let's do it your way you know the way that lets people with guns just walk into school and start shooting

None of your objections to increased security are insurmountable

And why would there be a need for additional drivers?

Instead of staggering start times alphabetically it could be done by which bus the children arrive on. All that would need to be done there is change the pick up times at the bus stops

You really don't have a head for logistics

So let us be sure that we fully fully understand this ---
YOU have a head for logistics?

You made a lame post about a lame post?

NOW THAT’S FUNNY!

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yeah you're right let's do it your way you know the way that lets people with guns just walk into school and start shooting

None of your objections to increased security are insurmountable

And why would there be a need for additional drivers?

Instead of staggering start times alphabetically it could be done by which bus the children arrive on. All that would need to be done there is change the pick up times at the bus stops

You really don't have a head for logistics

So let us be sure that we fully fully understand this ---
YOU have a head for logistics?



Bet you Trump would have a job for you on his cabinet. He just doesn't have enough bad thinkers and logisticians!

You sure don't seem to have any suggestions to offer do you

Hey IDGAF I don't have kids so if you all think it's impossible to secure a school then the dead kids are on you not me

 

[DrLove]

You sure don't seem to have any suggestions to offer do you

Hey IDGAF I don't have kids so if you all think it's impossible to secure a school then the dead kids are on you not me

I (and several others) have clearly stated at least a dozen problems with your "do it for free" notion that you have failed to address.

Have a nice day

 

[Skull Pilot]

You sure don't seem to have any suggestions to offer do you

Hey IDGAF I don't have kids so if you all think it's impossible to secure a school then the dead kids are on you not me

I (and several others) have clearly stated at least a dozen problems with your "do it for free" notion that you have failed to address.

Have a nice day

I said SOME things that can be done will not cost anything

so once again you illustrate your inability to read and retain information

 

[Pop23]

You sure don't seem to have any suggestions to offer do you

Hey IDGAF I don't have kids so if you all think it's impossible to secure a school then the dead kids are on you not me

I (and several others) have clearly stated at least a dozen problems with your "do it for free" notion that you have failed to address.

Have a nice day

Free, although an option, would be, in many cases unreliable. Even paid would have some vacancy, but volunteers don't have much to lose for being no shows. Although it could work, I'd not bet my Child's life on it.

 

[JBond]

And how well does a guy carrying a ******* shotgun blend in anywhere?

I am happier than ever that I don't have kids knowing that idiots like you are running the show at public schools

He carried it under his black trench coat in 90 degree weather.

Dustin Severin, a 17-year-old student, told NBC affiliate KPRC that he saw Pagourtzis in the hallway shortly before the bullets started flying — and that he was wearing his usual outfit. "He wears a trenchcoat every day, and it's like 90 degrees out here," Severin said.​

You are failing BIGLY today Skull - DERP ;-)

Gee a trench coat nothing suspicious there

I guess we need to ban trench coats. But when we do that, only outlaws will have trench coats!

Government school security programs suck. They have failed over and over. When are you lazy ***** going to take security seriously?

Excuse me, but where does the "government" come into these schools?

Government sets no rules for these schools, except the obvious "gun-free" zone rules.

Who runs your schools? The President? The governor? Your county commission?

Who?

Lol. You have no idea how schools are funded. Funny stuff. Keep making excuses for failing to protect kids and securing the government funded schools. It is sad.

 

[JBond]

And how well does a guy carrying a ******* shotgun blend in anywhere?

I am happier than ever that I don't have kids knowing that idiots like you are running the show at public schools

He carried it under his black trench coat in 90 degree weather.

Dustin Severin, a 17-year-old student, told NBC affiliate KPRC that he saw Pagourtzis in the hallway shortly before the bullets started flying — and that he was wearing his usual outfit. "He wears a trenchcoat every day, and it's like 90 degrees out here," Severin said.​

You are failing BIGLY today Skull - DERP ;-)

Gee a trench coat nothing suspicious there

I guess we need to ban trench coats. But when we do that, only outlaws will have trench coats!

Government school security programs suck. They have failed over and over. When are you lazy ***** going to take security seriously?

When fools like you pay for it. Do you think - of course not - do you believe an armed and trained security officer is willing to put him or her self in harms way & works for free?

Do you think an off duty police officer, deputy sheriff or probation/parole agent will work for free. Do you think, ooops, but I digress, understand (not likely) there are turf issues on which agency pays for such security? Is it the school district, which in many places cannot afford pencils, paper and teachers who not only are expected to teach, but to put themselves in harms way too (but the record shows many of them do, and yet get no credit for those acts of bravery), or the LE Agency? But of course it would be paid for by the Taxpayer, and that is anathema to the conservative movement.

And how well does a guy carrying a ******* shotgun blend in anywhere?

I am happier than ever that I don't have kids knowing that idiots like you are running the show at public schools

He carried it under his black trench coat in 90 degree weather.

Dustin Severin, a 17-year-old student, told NBC affiliate KPRC that he saw Pagourtzis in the hallway shortly before the bullets started flying — and that he was wearing his usual outfit. "He wears a trenchcoat every day, and it's like 90 degrees out here," Severin said.​

You are failing BIGLY today Skull - DERP ;-)

Gee a trench coat nothing suspicious there

I guess we need to ban trench coats. But when we do that, only outlaws will have trench coats!

Government school security programs suck. They have failed over and over. When are you lazy ***** going to take security seriously?

When fools like you pay for it. Do you think - of course not - do you believe an armed and trained security officer is willing to put him or her self in harms way & works for free?

Do you think an off duty police officer, deputy sheriff or probation/parole agent will work for free. Do you think, ooops, but I digress, understand (not likely) there are turf issues on which agency pays for such security? Is it the school district, which in many places cannot afford pencils, paper and teachers who not only are expected to teach, but to put themselves in harms way too (but the record shows many of them do, and yet get no credit for those acts of bravery), or the LE Agency? But of course it would be paid for by the Taxpayer, and that is anathema to the conservative movement.

Predictably some ass would come along crying about money. Maybe a few less masturbation classes or fluid gender study classes could cover those cost. Or maybe we can cut 75% of the useless middle management jobs that take up significant portions of the budget, but bring nothing to the classroom. Maybe superintendents don't deserve 300k. We spend over $630 billion a year on education. Money is not the issue. How those funds are distributed is the issue. Just like most government funded groups, waste and fruad are rampant. The vast majority of "educators" have 100% job security with no incentives to streamline things and send the funds where they are truly needed.

 

[Pop23]

He carried it under his black trench coat in 90 degree weather.

Dustin Severin, a 17-year-old student, told NBC affiliate KPRC that he saw Pagourtzis in the hallway shortly before the bullets started flying — and that he was wearing his usual outfit. "He wears a trenchcoat every day, and it's like 90 degrees out here," Severin said.​

You are failing BIGLY today Skull - DERP ;-)

Gee a trench coat nothing suspicious there

I guess we need to ban trench coats. But when we do that, only outlaws will have trench coats!

Government school security programs suck. They have failed over and over. When are you lazy ***** going to take security seriously?

Excuse me, but where does the "government" come into these schools?

Government sets no rules for these schools, except the obvious "gun-free" zone rules.

Who runs your schools? The President? The governor? Your county commission?

Who?

Lol. You have no idea how schools are funded. Funny stuff. Keep making excuses for failing to protect kids and securing the government funded schools. It is sad.

He is trying to tell you that Government does not play a role in schools. Yet the local School Board is a part of Government, receives it's funding from local, state and federal Government and are obligated, by the receipt of these funds, to do the will of the Government to a large extent.

FACTS

 

[DrLove]

I said SOME things that can be done will not cost anything

so once again you illustrate your inability to read and retain information

Just a few items you failed to address:

There were 3500 kids in my high school. Staggered buses? LoL - 90% of the kids didn't take the bus. They walked, rode bike, parents dropped them off or they drove. I drove my junior and senior years. Though well maintained, it was built in the 1940s as a junior college. I remember the campus like the back of my hand. There are minimally 18 different ways to get in. Massive remodeling would have to be done to create a single point of entry. Probably 30 million cost and a few years to complete.

And once it was created? Even if you hired 6 people to look in every bag, check every jacket and frisk or wand each student it would take minimally 2 hours to funnel them all through that single entry point. So staggered buses - Please, it would be chaotic and costly. Trust me - my state hates public education and they barely provide enough books, pencils, paper, teachers etc as it is. So 75% of it would have to come from the feds.

Finally, consider Boise State University is a couple of 3 woods away from me. There are 25,000 kids enrolled and probably 75 points of entry. There are many colleges in the 35,000 to 50,000 range. What will you do with that genius logistician?

C'mon dude, you're just embarrassing yourself.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

fact 2 - adds to my position not yours

fact 3 is not a fact at at this point

you have no facts about how he obtained them

he may have broken a lock

you simply are making assumptions again

If he could have simply broken a cheap lock the guns were not properly secured

I suppose you think securing a gun rack with a paper clip is OK right?

now you are still just guessing find some facts will ya

--LOL

you might be right but as of now you are just as bad as the liberals with the guessing

I suppose you think securing a gun rack with a paper clip is OK right?

no unlike you i am not jumping to conclusions

No you refuse to admit if a minor child can take his father's guns that the guns were not secured

bullshit you know none of the facts of the case

Fact the kid took his father's gun
Fact if the guns were secured no one would be able to take the guns

Link?

You are pissing in the wind again there Buckwheat!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

fact 2 - adds to my position not yours

fact 3 is not a fact at at this point

you have no facts about how he obtained them

he may have broken a lock

you simply are making assumptions again

If he could have simply broken a cheap lock the guns were not properly secured

I suppose you think securing a gun rack with a paper clip is OK right?

now you are still just guessing find some facts will ya

--LOL

you might be right but as of now you are just as bad as the liberals with the guessing

I suppose you think securing a gun rack with a paper clip is OK right?

no unlike you i am not jumping to conclusions

No you refuse to admit if a minor child can take his father's guns that the guns were not secured

YOU are assuming they were unsecured. THAT is the problem with your argument, or lack thereof!

If the kid could get them and leave the house they were unsecured by definition

No one could walk out of my house with my guns because they are secured.

A secured gun is like keeping the toilet paper in the kitchen.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

And once again .....

You could perhaps create a single entrance with trained ATF personnel and a metal detector at an average cost of probably 20 million per school x 130,000 schools.

I get 2 billion 600 million on retrofits alone plus the cost of 1-2 full time professionals depending on school size.

Ready to stroke that check?

And once again you don't have to do any of that

It doesn't take a trained governemnt monkey to look in a book bag or to have the people entering take off their coats and it's easy enough to designate one entrance no matter how many doors are on a school building you simply tell everyone where to enter and lock all the other doors

Cost $0.00

Try running 4000 kids through one door. Do you want to rebuild schools that have been in existence for 50 years? How much will that cost?

Who is going to man those doors? People cost money.

Why are you constantly doubling down on being a dumbass?

Once again you demonstrate an inability to problem solve.

Stagger the arrival times.

Some kids will have to get to school a little early. Small price to pay for increased security.

Who is going to pay the increased costs? Buses are on a set schedule and often do double and sometimes triple and quadruple runs each morning and afternoons? Who is going to pay for the additional drivers and buses? Who is going to pay for the additional hours for faculty and staff to be at school early and late?

You are truly working hard at showing how collosal of an idiot you are. Start thinking and you might stop embarrassing yourself after every post.

Yeah you're right let's do it your way you know the way that lets people with guns just walk into school and start shooting

None of your objections to increased security are insurmountable

And why would there be a need for additional drivers?

Instead of staggering start times alphabetically it could be done by which bus the children arrive on. All that would need to be done there is change the pick up times at the bus stops

You really don't have a head for logistics

You don't have a head for rational thought!

You seem to keep forgetting that I did this for a living, you arrogant and ignorant POS!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Gee a trench coat nothing suspicious there

I guess we need to ban trench coats. But when we do that, only outlaws will have trench coats!

Government school security programs suck. They have failed over and over. When are you lazy ***** going to take security seriously?

Excuse me, but where does the "government" come into these schools?

Government sets no rules for these schools, except the obvious "gun-free" zone rules.

Who runs your schools? The President? The governor? Your county commission?

Who?

Lol. You have no idea how schools are funded. Funny stuff. Keep making excuses for failing to protect kids and securing the government funded schools. It is sad.

He is trying to tell you that Government does not play a role in schools. Yet the local School Board is a part of Government, receives it's funding from local, state and federal Government and are obligated, by the receipt of these funds, to do the will of the Government to a large extent.

FACTS

Another clueless post by the drug kingpin?

You seem to be able to solve our gun problem by creating 8,000,000 kids who cannot function in life! Brilliant! Just ******* brilliant!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Metal detectors - No one in unless pass through the check points... Enough is enough of the idiocy already.

What happens in these bubbles should not effect the rights and lives of others outside these bubbles.

Fix what is happening in these bubbles, and be done with the bullcrap already.

Are we really so stupid that we can't fix problems in this country now ??

First we must figure out who doesn't want these things fixed, and who keeps fueling these fires, and who would rather exploit these fires than do what's right, and put a stop to it.

This stuff should have already been in the works since the last mass shooting, but here we are again because some state, town, city or community figured that it wouldn't come their way. Well surprise procrastinator's.

Look into your children's eyes if you give a crap about them, and say enough is enough.

Funneling people into metal detector choke-points makes them easy targets. Locking them inside a prison means no escaping danger like fires or shooters. The shooters don't stop at metal detectors, doors or windows & blast their way inside.

You know if people want to, they can come up with a million ways as to why something won't work, but not doing anything is totally unexceptable, and is kicking the can down the road again and again.

At least at the inner check points (not roadside), the kids can be screened and processed to enter the school unarmed and ready to learn.

At the school roadside check point, if someone from the public attacks, then at least armed security officers will respond in kind to that situation.

We can formulate a security program or protocol at these schools, but to ignore these things because they didn't happen in our state, town or community is unexceptable at this point.

Learning who is in our communities again is important, and that could be done on the front lines at the schools. To ignore anything due to political correctness or this idea that civil rights prohibits this or prohibits that is a total fail in our communities and societies.

Try doing that at the schools where 3000 - 4000 kids arrive within about 20-30 minutes of each other. You people are ******* amateurs trying to solve problems you simply don't understand!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Metal detectors - No one in unless pass through the check points... Enough is enough of the idiocy already.

What happens in these bubbles should not effect the rights and lives of others outside these bubbles.

Fix what is happening in these bubbles, and be done with the bullcrap already.

Are we really so stupid that we can't fix problems in this country now ??

First we must figure out who doesn't want these things fixed, and who keeps fueling these fires, and who would rather exploit these fires than do what's right, and put a stop to it.

This stuff should have already been in the works since the last mass shooting, but here we are again because some state, town, city or community figured that it wouldn't come their way. Well surprise procrastinator's.

Look into your children's eyes if you give a crap about them, and say enough is enough.

Funneling people into metal detector choke-points makes them easy targets. Locking them inside a prison means no escaping danger like fires or shooters. The shooters don't stop at metal detectors, doors or windows & blast their way inside.

You know if people want to, they can come up with a million ways as to why something won't work, but not doing anything is totally unexceptable, and is kicking the can down the road again and again.

At least at the inner check points (not roadside), the kids can be screened and processed to enter the school unarmed and ready to learn.

At the school roadside check point, if someone from the public attacks, then at least armed security officers will respond in kind to that situation.

We can formulate a security program or protocol at these schools, but to ignore these things because they didn't happen in our state, town or community is unexceptable at this point.

Learning who is in our communities again is important, and that could be done on the front lines at the schools. To ignore anything due to political correctness or this idea that civil rights prohibits this or prohibits that is a total fail in our communities and societies.

I find it funny how the people whining that teachers aren't paid enough never seem to care where the money for increased salaries is going to come from but they make a stink about where money for increased protection of the students will come from

I guess we know where their priorities lie

If you don't pay teachers well enough, there are two possibilities:

1) Good quality teachers will walk away from the job because the pay sucks.
2) Poor quality teachers will get hired to replace tham and stay because they have no place else to go.

The money protecting the students will be wasted if idiots like post on this thread are allowed to make changes because you don't understand how things work outside your fantasy world when remembering to get you lunch money was the hardest task you faced in school.